Could Patsy's Cocktails Have Played A Part In Her Rage Attack?

Did Patsy's Cocktails Play A Part In The Rage Attack Against JB?

  • No...alcohol was NOT a factor.

    Votes: 21 17.1%
  • Yes...alcohol WAS a factor.

    Votes: 24 19.5%
  • MAYBE...alcohol would have been a factor.

    Votes: 77 62.6%
  • What do you mean? Patsy NEVER drank alcohol!!!

    Votes: 1 0.8%

  • Total voters
    123
  • #401
Alcohol can certainly be a factor in any sort of violent behavior, but I'm not sure it was totally responsible for her actions.

However, I think that if Patsy did this killing(and I think she did), then she didn't need booze for it. It was coming.
 
  • #402
I'm sorry but -- what "rage attack"?
 
  • #403
I'm sorry but -- what "rage attack"?

A popular theory--one embraced by the investigating team--is that something happened after the Ramseys arrived home from the Christmas party that sent Patsy into a fit of anger, enough that she lost control and dealt JB a terrible injury. What that something might have been, who can say? Maybe it was a shocking revelation. Maybe it was just one of those "final straw" things.
 
  • #404
No disrespect, SuperDave -- but it's basically fiction, right? I am aware of the case, and the theories - I was questioning the phrasing of the question.
 
  • #405
No disrespect, SuperDave -- but it's basically fiction, right? I am aware of the case, and the theories - I was questioning the phrasing of the question.

Am I right in assuming, then, that you don't hold with the "rage attack" theory? I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "fiction." That seems a bit of a loaded term.
 
  • #406
Alcohol can certainly be a factor in any sort of violent behavior, but I'm not sure it was totally responsible for her actions.

However, I think that if Patsy did this killing(and I think she did), then she didn't need booze for it. It was coming.

Yes it was and she couldn't stop it.
 
  • #407
Yes it was and she couldn't stop it.

BB01: Is your theory PDI including all the staging? What was used for the head-bash? Do you think JR was involved in any way?
 
  • #408
Yes it was and she couldn't stop it.

I agree that if Patsy went into a rage because of a combination of alcohol and Klonopin (found in her bathroom) she may have been out of control and it was like a runaway train. And before she knew it, she had fatally injured her daughter. This is one of several theories I feel are possible. She may also have been taking sleep aids- if you ever read the side effects of Lunesta or similar drugs, you'd wonder how anyone could take them.
 
  • #409
No disrespect, SuperDave -- but it's basically fiction, right? I am aware of the case, and the theories - I was questioning the phrasing of the question.

Ausgirl, iirc, Steve Thomas presented the "Patsy went into a rage" theory in his book. He would have been privy to evidence the public hasn't seen.

Patsy's housekeeper, Linda Huffman-Pugh, stated that Patsy took JonBenet to the bathroom many times, dragging JonBenet along the way, while Ms. Pugh was present and the result was Ms. Pugh heard screaming and yelling (my paraphrasing) with JonBenet crying.
 
  • #410
Of course it is possible that there was prior sexual abuse. The only reason I am leaning towards the douching is because it was an every day occurrence and Patsy was concerned and she did have infections and she was not healing at all. There was also the constantly damp underwear which kept things going, but douching will also keep an infection going, killing normal antibodies.

I know this theory is off the wall to many, I just don't see Patsy putting up with sexual abuse, firstly and foremost because it is insulting to her. She is very proud and very very strong in her feelings and what she wants. I don't think she would tolerate it.

It is just soooo bizarre that they sexually assaulted her like this to steer the police towards a sexual predator. You can't make this $h*& up.

Also, I believe Colorado posted some time back that she had heard from a good source which she did not want to mention that there was douching being done by Patsy and it was not a little thing.

Colorado, can you confirm this, am I wrong?

totally agree
patsy was a proud dignified woman.
the only person hurting her most treasured possession was her.
 
  • #411
When you actually READ the ransom note, the author seemed really P.O.'d at this country and fat cats.
The author of the note seems really pissed off at John.


Why would the R's call 911 at 6 AM if they needed more time?
Obviously they were ready to get the freak show on the road when they made the call. As DeeDee said, the call had to be made anyways. They had a trip and its not a situation where you can just cancel/delay the trip. It runs the risk of a family friend coming over to the house(with their kids) and/or a family member calling. Jonbenet has to be accounted for in both scenarios. What happens when Fleet's kids want to play or JAR/Melinda call and want to talk to her? That would put them in a pickle of biblical proportions.

If the case is ever solved I'd love to know what made John feel the need to risk everything and go down to the basement(multiple times) and start staging/altering the crime scene. If just ONE person walks down there and catches him in the act, it's all over.

It would take something major to roll those dice.

Patsy admitted in one of her intervews...that she had a "couple of cocktails" at the White's Christmas party. Could these cocktails have played a part in her rage attack against JB? Everyone knows what alcohol can do to a person...what if either she had more than she said...OR...she wasn't used to drinking alcohol...then two to her body, would have seemed like alot more. I think that this is possibly why she flew into her rage...that and the fact that she was tired, she didn't want to go on the trip to Michigan the next day (she admitted that too)...along with the stress of Christmas, caused her to LOSE IT with JB.
An interesting thing about people who drink is no matter how much they had, whether one beer or a case, they only had a couple. When crime get thrown into the mix, they always minimize their intake. Some guy wasted plows his car into a bunch of teens....but officer, I only had a couple beers. Honest!


How much she drank could go either way. Is she mixing it with pills? Is she low on pills and drinking more to compensate for that issue? Did an incident happen earlier in the day to cause her to want to drink more? When did she start drinking that day? When did she last take pills? How many? What kind?

We know she took multiple benzos. These do not mix well with alcohol.



Yep, along with the highly, highly addictive XANAX she was downing for her panic attacks. John by the way said he would be surprised to learn that Patsy took medication for panic attacks. He says this to Kane when interivewed. For two people that are so extremely close, they don't know very much about each other, except when it is necessary of course.
I don't believe for a second he didn't know his wife took benzos. Its not like she tried to hide them and even if she did, he's going to notice that she's taking mothers little helpers. If not, he'd think she was on other types of drugs.

Lizard lips himself showed signs of using drugs.


Also, they had been up since 6 that morning, that is something like 15 1/2 hours before putting Jon Benet in bed and then she stayed up, she said and did some more things. That is 15 1/2 hours of nonstop and this woman was in remission from Ovarian cancer, stage IV. What the hell was she on, speed?
Taking the right amount of oxy or other pain pills can also be an upper. Something else that can cause lack of sleep is being in withdrawals.


right,her inhibitions could have been lowered,and since she had the bathroom screaming matches with JB a lot,this time she went overboard.
Even though it is, this fact should never be overlooked. They had a history of tense and possibly abusive situations in that bathroom.

She was already upset earlier in the day. Then something happened to cause John to leave for hours on end and come home right before time to go to the Whites. Was it time to take Jonbenet to the bathroom? She was last seen walking upstairs with Patsy....
 
  • #412
Cocktails could definitely have played a part, but psychologically she was already over the edge. As an RN, I'd be concerned about the heavy duty psych meds she was taking, and I don't think she was being managed by a legit Psych MD. Stress, meds and drink not a great combination. From past comments made, she'd been acting out for a long time, friends were concerned or had removed themselves from a volatile situation.
 
  • #413
Exactly
 
  • #414
The author of the note seems really pissed off at John.

This is one of the biggest reasons I always felt she wrote the RN. The author sounds very pissed at John but not in a male way. More in a "wife pissed off at her husband" way. Like getting the little digs in,. She purposely put in the part about "common sense of a Southerner" thinking that would throw people off. But she forgot that many knew that was an inside joke with her and her family about John. Yet she tries to use that phrase to prove she didn't write the RN. Big mistake
 

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