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[snarkymalarkey]

Apparently, it is also common practice of "Patriot Sovereign" citizens (or whatever they call themselves...) to file a LIEN against someone's property while they are in foreclosure.

This attempts to "TIE UP" the Deed on the house and stop the foreclosure.

Am I reading this article right??? : http://www.albionmonitor.com/fortuna/subscriber/fa-welch.html

I didn't click the link, but filing more liens on a property in foreclosure wouldn't accomplish much. In my state the lien holder would eventually get notice and would still be wiped off with a sheriff sale.

 

[Sam Jones]

After reading the document about the Stallworth car, I think that there was no title for this car. This document stated that it was advertised for the legal length of time (notification to the public) through the Sun Press Newspaper so I guess a title was obtained since he had an Alabama license plate on the car shown on his MS.

For those not here in Pensacola, the Sun Press is basically a newspaper that has columns and columns of legal advertisments....everything from foreclosures, to divorces, to adoption notifications. This newspaper is not widely circulated and can only be purchased in certain locations or a yearly subscription can be obtained.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Alright!!!

After a WONDERFUL financial lesson from my husband!!! Here is what I got:

World Co is a 2nd tier lending company. This is not meant disparchingly it is only a term. When you drive by a used Auto Lot and it says "no money down" "Bad Credit" - the owners of the lots usually set up their own financial company to finance these people at higher interest rates. They expect people not to pay and in turn they fee them. When they dont pay at all this is when we are seeing the actul judgements in the clerks office.

NOW, I am starting to understand these maritime documents. If the Billings wanted to become sovereign to avoid paying taxes, they are going to connect themselves to intercoastal waters - where we are tax/duty free - whatever you call it!!

My husband sat here and explained all the financial stuff, maybe I can remember the rest of it shortly!!

Still not sure why they would be murdered over this unless people felt loan sharked at high rates in the auto -

Also, I know it was mentioned that Byrd at one time owned strip clubs. This by way does not make him a bad person in the slightest. Just a business man. But people typical in Cash businesses do not like the IRS or paying taxes!!! If this is the case of his past I WOULD gamble on that fact that he is still involved in some type of cash and carrys, which makes me suspect this man at a BOATLOAD of money in his VERY secure home. This in no way makes him a "bad" person - at the tax rate these days, wish we could all be sooo lucky ha, a little humor for the evening. So, the sovereinty thing makes complete sense and it makes complete sense if anyone that knew him or did business with him, would know he has a stash of cash.

CASH or GEMS or GOLD COINS.He believed in conspiracy theory I would bet he was loaded up to the gills with any of these.I know a very rich doctor who
shocked us when he told us he is converting cash into gold coins because he is firm in the belief the US is in so much debt they are setting up a crash and paper money will be history.This man is a very well respected .

 

[spartanmom]

Usually people who consider themselves "Sovereign Citizens" are closely tied with "MILITIA" types (ring a bell?)

yes, it does,...i asked earlier about this.....such as people who are white supremacists, KKK, etc. Now, think about the people who were involved in the murders, robbery, etc.

Could the billings' have been involved in this type of activity......and the 7 had a problem with that???????

and, I think it is interesting that some people on here call it the Billings compound.....I don't think that sounds good.......why not just say the Billings home?
I don't mean anything bad against them.......just trying to connect a few things.

 

[Jenmrk]

Hi, I have been lurking for a while, I am in Pensacola also,I met the Billings years ago when they would come the baseball games at Escambia High, Blue played ball there. I rememeber them as very nice people. This has been a heartbreaking crime for everyone and I can not imagine what the family is going through. I have them in my prayers. I wanted to ask if anyone had identified the gentleman found on the boat with Pam, if he was her lawyer I know who he might be.

 

[Reannan]

CASH or GEMS or GOLD COINS.He believed in conspiracy theory I would bet he was loaded up to the gills with any of these.I know a very rich doctor who
shocked us when he told us he is converting cash into gold coins because he is firm in the belief the US is in so much debt they are setting up a crash and paper money will be history.This man is a very well respected .

I used to work at the local gun shows as a second rights ammendment activist - I STRONGLY believe in my right to own a gun in this dangerous world, and I STRONGLY deny anyones thoughts of taking my guns away. Anyways, that experience led me to many encounters with a LOT of people who were against paying taxes, and who believed in so many conspiracy theories that I could write an enitre year's worth of The X-Files! Maybe that is why I posted earlier (way earlier) in this thread that LPG Jr. reminded me of Timothy McVeigh. I can't explain why that is.... I just sense something about this case that is cut from the same fabric as the Oklahoma City bombing. Strange, huh???

 

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[FromFL]

I'm trying to see if I can find some more valuable info on the Maritime/Admiralty law stuff...and hitting refresh on here so I don't get 12 pages behind again

 

[mikeysmommom]

I'm sure you all can imagine the rumors that are flying around. Evidently there are some that believe Mr. Billings had purchased some cars from the
5th diminsion guys to sell on his lot and later found out they were stolen and had washed titles. They were worried he would turn them in and blow the whole crooked theft ring.

I have no inside knowledge of anything and this was just something I was told and most likely is false info, but maybe some of you experts can take a closer look at that angle. Who knows?

WE had a neighbor who was involved in a car ring and guess what he told people he did for a living sold used cars. They were stealing them from other states making their own titles and changing the vin#. I found out alot looking and reading comment sections of the newspaper where many truths came out.And I have seen similar comments posted about this case.

 

[passionflower]

Since Byrd had strip clubs, I'm sure he dealt with some very shady characters.
I hate to say this but what about drug deals?
Could the Billings of owned someone big time for a drug deal gone bad?

 

[FromFL]

Wosers!!! Smoking gun here!!

If this is the case and it is still says it is open - it could not shut because the billings have the lien against her for the 50 millions - it is starting to sound like they are all in on it together!! Must be!!!!!! HINKY METER ALERT!!

What would this mean, any one know? (from the original link to the doc)

01/02/2008 SUMMONS ISSUED TO LPS
CRCIVIL SUMMONS ON NATURAL PERSON w/barcd

Sent on: 01/02/2008 15:41:28 4
01/02/2008 SUMMONS ISSUED TO LPS

CRCIVIL SUMMONS w/barcd
Sent on: 01/02/2008 15:43:07

Where it says "NATURAL PERSON" -and- the "w/barcd" -- does that mean barcode? I'm confused on that, too.

If you are given a summons, do they 'scan' a barcode on the document to link you to it? I thought they just made you sign a copy for the issuing deputy/processor.

 

[dood]

don't pawn shops buy gold dirt cheap? And don't Sovereign Citizens think gold and silver and the like are the only REAL currencies?

Didn't bryd own some pawn shops ?

Maybe the safe contained a crap load of gold or silver?

I mean the perps had to think it contained BIG BIG money i mean jeez with so many ways to split they must have thought millions

 

[LifeTimeAdventure]

Check out Greg, He Sure Gets Around...:

First of all I would like to introduce myself as I am new to this Forum. My name is Greg and I am a licensed Captain and Sportfish Owner. I will be cruising to Panama from Florida hopefully at the end of August as long as all work is done on my vessel.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f9/other-boats-cruising-towards-panama-28428.html#post304380

[ame="http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMB_en___US319&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=813-531-1606"]813-531-1606 - Google Search[/ame]

 

[mikeysmommom]

Wosers!!! Smoking gun here!!

If this is the case and it is still says it is open - it could not shut because the billings have the lien against her for the 50 millions - it is starting to sound like they are all in on it together!! Must be!!!!!! HINKY METER ALERT!!

After LindaD found all that good info everyone was leaning that way but then we started thinking maybe it was somehow a cover for helping this woman hide from abusive spouses but it looks more like a scam of some sort maybe mortgage fraud?

 

[SuziQ]

I used to work at the local gun shows as a second rights ammendment activist - I STRONGLY believe in my right to own a gun in this dangerous world, and I STRONGLY deny anyones thoughts of taking my guns away. Anyways, that experience led me to many encounters with a LOT of people who were against paying taxes, and who believed in so many conspiracy theories that I could write an enitre year's worth of The X-Files! Maybe that is why I posted earlier (way earlier) in this thread that LPG Jr. reminded me of Timothy McVeigh. I can't explain why that is.... I just sense something about this case that is cut from the same fabric as the Oklahoma City bombing. Strange, huh???

ITA about LPG Jr being Timothy McVeigh-ish. His myspace comment especially makes me feel this way about him. The expression he has in his mugshot closely resembles the mugshot from TM's first arrest when no one knew yet that he was the bomber.

 

[NSC]

Check out Greg, He Sure Gets Around...:

First of all I would like to introduce myself as I am new to this Forum. My name is Greg and I am a licensed Captain and Sportfish Owner. I will be cruising to Panama from Florida hopefully at the end of August as long as all work is done on my vessel.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f9/other-boats-cruising-towards-panama-28428.html#post304380

813-531-1606 - Google Search

That is a good find! FISHY! What else do we have on him?? EDIT - NEVERMIND I see the connection!! VERY INTERESTING!

 

[mikeysmommom]

don't pawn shops buy gold dirt cheap? And don't Sovereign Citizens think gold and silver and the like are the only REAL currencies?

Didn't bryd own some pawn shops ?

Maybe the safe contained a crap load of gold or silver?

I mean the perps had to think it contained BIG BIG money i mean jeez with so many ways to split they must have thought millions

If he owned pawn shops then he had gems and gold in that house for sure.
thats what I think heck after the Doc I know said to change money into gold,I noticed ads on tv constandly asking for your old broken gold for top dollar.Now with gold at an all time high why do they want like 650 million dollars of gold.Kind of makes you wonder.

 

[SuziQ]

I don't know where the article link is. But someone posted earlier that the Billing's helped people who's homes were going into foreclosure. I think they were only trying to do good things. I think the maritime lien was an attempt to save LB's home.

 

[redmeli]

Yes -- I don't know if the military will be involved or not, but by not agreeing to extradition, it forces the FL cops/attys to go to court and pull him out. Basically a stall on his part.

So is he possibly thinking he would be better off court-martialed by the military? Possibly in order to avoid the DP?

 

[NSC]

After LindaD found all that good info everyone was leaning that way but then we started thinking maybe it was somehow a cover for helping this woman hide from abusive spouses but it looks more like a scam of some sort maybe mortgage fraud?

No, I no longer think we are in mortgage fraud. This is kinda like the mother of schemes to free yourself of the nation and no longer have to pay taxes. It has all been set up precisely - The copyrighting of names, maritime leins, Leins -- all the while running world co which is a legit business.

Ever wonder why his younger daughter and wife are the main principles on all the companies??? :crazy: