Couple who adopted 12 children shot to death #2

[Gastrolith]

These sovereign citizens do not believe the government can tell them what to do. They probably don't care if they need a license. Also, you can register a corporate name and at the same time state that you are doing business as (whatever name you want to put).

 

[FromFL]

Sorry, I knew what the DBA meant...but I'm trying to find it on the "personal" info one of the many Billings' documents we've found. There was discussion on if the letters on the scanned document said "DBA" or "DEA"

For those asking about the form the Billings' used to do their copyright/maritime/etc stuff:

here is a google'd html version (so you don't have to d/l the word .doc file)

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...(6)&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

the highlighted words in the above are highlighted by google and showing me the words it found relevant to the search I did.


this is the actual .doc file that will d/l:
http://www.agenda21talk.com/Docs/Foundational Docs/Copyright generic.doc

It includes the the same verbage on the Billings documents (with a few changes, including the "amount" they will charge you to use the name/etc.)

(this is the document Melanie Billings did: http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml_or_1b.asp?uinstr=2005454546)

 

[P'colaGuy]

Some expressed surprise that Mr. Billings would be wealthy from such a small little car lot. It is your typical buy here pay here lot and those places make big time cash. They buy a car for $2500 wholesale and charge a $500 to $1000 down payment and $75 dollars a week payment. Believe it or not a lot of the payment plans are set up on a weekly basis. Most customers never come close to paying off the car that is financed at 20% plus interest rates and they are repoed.

They have little GPS trackers in all of them and pick them up with ease if the customers miss payments. Next day it's back on the lot and another person pays the down payment and pays for a while until they start missing payments and it is repoed again. The same car the dealer has $2000 in will make them well over $5000 when it's all said and done. It's a much higher profit margin than a high end lot.

The customers have horrible credit and usually have no bank accounts. Cash is the method of payment and these buy here pay here dealers are drowning in cash. There might be some that report it all but I seriously doubt it. I've known dealers who would have over 100k in safes at their houses because they did not want to report it all. One often joked about what a pain it was to try and spend it in small enough amounts to not draw attention from the IRS. Typically they would not spend over $10,000 as that would be reportable.

Anyone with a small amount of knowledge about the buisness would know that the owner is likely to have large amounts of cash stashed somewhere.

It's not a stretch at all that these scumbags thought they would hit the motherload if they found his safe.

 

[Reannan]

Well, I can tell you from living in a community where people live their lives to avoid paying taxes that you can live VERY well, if you don't pay them. I live in a community where we have a group of people called the Irish Travellers, and they pay cash for everything, and have HUGE homes. Crazy. In other words, if someone is living without paying taxes, they may appear to be rich to the outside world.

 

[Jenmrk]

I posted earlier on page 26- the last post, if some one could go back I asked a question. I don't feel comfortable putting the name here if I am wrong, one if you sluethers may be interested.

 

[FromFL]

Pcolaguy: (ref cash/small car lots post above)

WOW!

 

[NSC]

Some expressed surprise that Mr. Billings would be wealthy from such a small little car lot. It is your typical buy here pay here lot and those places make big time cash. They buy a car for $2500 wholesale and charge a $500 to $1000 down payment and $75 dollars a week payment. Believe it or not a lot of the payment plans are set up on a weekly basis. Most customers never come close to paying off the car that is financed at 20% plus interest rates and they are repoed.

They have little GPS trackers in all of them and pick them up with ease if the customers miss payments. Next day it's back on the lot and another person pays the down payment and pays for a while until they start missing payments and it is repoed again. The same car the dealer has $2000 in will make them well over $5000 when it's all said and done. It's a much higher profit margin than a high end lot.

The customers have horrible credit and usually have no bank accounts. Cash is the method of payment and these buy here pay here dealers are drowning in cash. There might be some that report it all but I seriously doubt it. I've known dealers who would have over 100k in safes at their houses because they did not want to report it all. One often joked about what a pain it was to try and spend it in small enough amounts to not draw attention from the IRS. Typically they would not spend over $10,000 as that would be reportable.

Anyone with a small amount of knowledge about the buisness would know that the owner is likely to have large amounts of cash stashed somewhere.

It's not a stretch at all that these scumbags thought they would hit the motherload if they found his safe.

:blowkiss::blowkiss: This is what my husband was trying to explain to me! You said it so much better than I ever could have :blowkiss:

 

[gazelletime]

quick question...has any one found a MARRIAGE LICENSE for the Melanie and Byrd Billings?

I know I could not at all at the Escambia County Clerk's website the other day.

I'm going through so much stuff on the Maritime issue, but I just found some a link http://sedm.org/ItemInfo/Ebooks/SovChristianMarriage/SovChristianMarriage.htm that goes into how to NOT get a state-issued marriage license and be married.

From what I've also read to be a Sovereign person you canNOT accept any state or federal assistance, or accept their 'licenses' as then you are back into a 'contract' with the issuing government agency.

That is what Timothy McVeigh's friend Terry Nichols did (I think previously mentioned here)....CHECK THIS OUT:

http://www.adl.org/Learn/ext_us/SCM.asp?xpicked=4&item=20

 

[NSC]

Now this makes sense why the phillips and the Billings used one another as notary's!!!!

www.citizensassembly.bc.ca...

selfsip.org...

video.google.co.uk...=robert%20menard&hl=en&sitesearch=&start=10

www.youtube.com...

these should get you started. its some interesting stuff and yes apparently under the tenth amendment you CAN declare sovereignty. its extensive though and i do NOT think it is hard. the benefits sure outweight the costs of becoming sovereign. you have to get rid of everything that has your name in full caps and need a new form of i.d. one with your name in "capitus diminutio minima" (research). your name needs to be first and family. not first and last. you act under law not under legality and that always needs to be made clear. .....okay im babbling just go to the links. jordan maxwell is great.

oh and get the declaration of sovereignty witness signed and notarized. and they CAN notarize it though you will probably get hassled alot. but it HAS been done. u just need to find someone to do it. then carry a copy on you. and NEVER show i.d. with all caps! thats for your person/corporation. your entity

GOOD LUCK!!!

 

[elainebenice]

Some expressed surprise that Mr. Billings would be wealthy from such a small little car lot. It is your typical buy here pay here lot and those places make big time cash. They buy a car for $2500 wholesale and charge a $500 to $1000 down payment and $75 dollars a week payment. Believe it or not a lot of the payment plans are set up on a weekly basis. Most customers never come close to paying off the car that is financed at 20% plus interest rates and they are repoed.

They have little GPS trackers in all of them and pick them up with ease if the customers miss payments. Next day it's back on the lot and another person pays the down payment and pays for a while until they start missing payments and it is repoed again. The same car the dealer has $2000 in will make them well over $5000 when it's all said and done. It's a much higher profit margin than a high end lot.

The customers have horrible credit and usually have no bank accounts. Cash is the method of payment and these buy here pay here dealers are drowning in cash. There might be some that report it all but I seriously doubt it. I've known dealers who would have over 100k in safes at their houses because they did not want to report it all. One often joked about what a pain it was to try and spend it in small enough amounts to not draw attention from the IRS. Typically they would not spend over $10,000 as that would be reportable.

Anyone with a small amount of knowledge about the buisness would know that the owner is likely to have large amounts of cash stashed somewhere.

It's not a stretch at all that these scumbags thought they would hit the motherload if they found his safe.

And this brings me back to my suggestion that WorldCo Financial may not have been as much of a "bank" as it was a title loan/predatory lender....these are perfectly legal businesses (unfortunately) and I'm not trying to suggest otherwise, but this is yet another wide-open avenue for some less than stellar citizens to cross paths with the Billings.

 

[Reannan]

Brilliant, and spot on. The car lot is the key as well as the Billings family declaring theirselves to be "soverign". That all adds up to BIG TIME cash!!!!

 

[NSC]

I posted earlier on page 26- the last post, if some one could go back I asked a question. I don't feel comfortable putting the name here if I am wrong, one if you sluethers may be interested.

Are you talking about the possible attorney?? Or the other name?

 

[UnderDog]

Some expressed surprise that Mr. Billings would be wealthy from such a small little car lot. It is your typical buy here pay here lot and those places make big time cash. They buy a car for $2500 wholesale and charge a $500 to $1000 down payment and $75 dollars a week payment. Believe it or not a lot of the payment plans are set up on a weekly basis. Most customers never come close to paying off the car that is financed at 20% plus interest rates and they are repoed.

They have little GPS trackers in all of them and pick them up with ease if the customers miss payments. Next day it's back on the lot and another person pays the down payment and pays for a while until they start missing payments and it is repoed again. The same car the dealer has $2000 in will make them well over $5000 when it's all said and done. It's a much higher profit margin than a high end lot.

The customers have horrible credit and usually have no bank accounts. Cash is the method of payment and these buy here pay here dealers are drowning in cash. There might be some that report it all but I seriously doubt it. I've known dealers who would have over 100k in safes at their houses because they did not want to report it all. One often joked about what a pain it was to try and spend it in small enough amounts to not draw attention from the IRS. Typically they would not spend over $10,000 as that would be reportable.

Anyone with a small amount of knowledge about the buisness would know that the owner is likely to have large amounts of cash stashed somewhere.

It's not a stretch at all that these scumbags thought they would hit the motherload if they found his safe.

That makes sense, but he's paying a Manager a healthy salary and also sharing the lot with a wholesale buyer/seller side. There were 5 operatives with 2 drivers and Ms. Long to split $100,000 or even $200,000? That's at most a $25,000 payout to the primary shooter. Is that REALLY worth a month of training and a potential death penalty???

 

[NSC]

And this brings me back to my suggestion that WorldCo Financial may not have been as much of a "bank" as it was a title loan/predatory lender....these are perfectly legal businesses (unfortunately) and I'm not trying to suggest otherwise, but this is yet another wide-open avenue for some less than stellar citizens to cross paths with the Billings.

Nope, it is exactly what it is. I described it a few pages back. It is a 2nd tier finanical lending corporation -- Basically, you can't seel cars if people can't get financing - so you finance them yourself. Some people call it "loan-sharking" - same thing with those pay day loans - legal but people USUALLY can't bail themselves out.

 

[Jenmrk]

Are you talking about the possible attorney?? Or the other name?

I may know who the guy in the boat was/ he remembles an attorney here who lives in Gulf Breeze.

 

[Blackwatch]

Some expressed surprise that Mr. Billings would be wealthy from such a small little car lot. It is your typical buy here pay here lot and those places make big time cash. They buy a car for $2500 wholesale and charge a $500 to $1000 down payment and $75 dollars a week payment. Believe it or not a lot of the payment plans are set up on a weekly basis. Most customers never come close to paying off the car that is financed at 20% plus interest rates and they are repoed.

They have little GPS trackers in all of them and pick them up with ease if the customers miss payments. Next day it's back on the lot and another person pays the down payment and pays for a while until they start missing payments and it is repoed again. The same car the dealer has $2000 in will make them well over $5000 when it's all said and done. It's a much higher profit margin than a high end lot.

The customers have horrible credit and usually have no bank accounts. Cash is the method of payment and these buy here pay here dealers are drowning in cash. There might be some that report it all but I seriously doubt it. I've known dealers who would have over 100k in safes at their houses because they did not want to report it all. One often joked about what a pain it was to try and spend it in small enough amounts to not draw attention from the IRS. Typically they would not spend over $10,000 as that would be reportable.

Anyone with a small amount of knowledge about the buisness would know that the owner is likely to have large amounts of cash stashed somewhere.

It's not a stretch at all that these scumbags thought they would hit the motherload if they found his safe.

"scumbags"? Which side of the coin are you referring to?

My opinion only

 

[Reannan]

I still have a question about how these seven people became involved in this? What drew them in? Money???? I just feel like it was more than that, and that is what is driving me insane. I have to get some sleep. Good luck everyone that stays up. Fasicnating stuff, and great sleuthing from all of you!!! :blowkiss:

 

[goodguess]

from the PNJ reader comments, by "halitosis"


"at one time billings owned half interest in the backseat strip bar, he also owned a large yacht, that had questionable going on's outside of the three mile limit, and they weren't fishing"
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/se...15011.article.NEWS01&s=d&page=2#pluckcomments

 

[NSC]

That makes sense, but he's paying a Manager a healthy salary and also sharing the lot with a wholesale buyer/seller side. There were 5 operatives with 2 drivers and Ms. Long to split $100,000 or even $200,000? That's at most a $25,000 payout to the primary shooter. Is that REALLY worth a month of training and a potential death penalty???

My guess it is a WHOLE heck of alot more money than we can imagine!!!! This is someone who wants to pay NO TAXES - he prob had HOARDS of cash or valuables!! JMO

 

[NSC]

I may know who the guy in the boat was/ he remembles an attorney here who lives in Gulf Breeze.

Can you do a google search and post the link for us? We can check it out!