Couple who adopted 12 children shot to death #3

[gazelletime]

Presser link anyone?

 

[WeatherOrNot]

4pm central press conference.

http://pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717018/4-p.m.-news-conference

 

[UnderDog]

Morgan just said the safe was buried "in the ground"...

 

[CountryGirl]

Are people confusing AS, the person who reported the crime with CS, the person listed on pnj.com's arrest reports of 7/15?

CS, 22, 1200 block of Via de Luna, Pensacola Beach, fraud ownership to a pawnbroker, dealing in stolen property.

 

[NSC]

Are people confusing AS, the person who reported the crime with CS, the person listed on pnj.com's arrest reports of 7/15?

CS, 22, 1200 block of Via de Luna, Pensacola Beach, fraud ownership to a pawnbroker, dealing in stolen property.

I am telling you --- there is SOMETHING to this!!! JMO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UnderDog]

During a mostly procedural court appearance Friday afternoon, Leonard Gonzalez Jr. complained that investigators in the Escambia County Jail have violated his civil rights.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717025

LPG, Jr is going to have a mental implosion pretty soon. He really thinks his piece of paper stops questioning? He really thinks the police have to follow HIS orders?

 

[pattieandco]

So what was the purpose of that presser I only saw the very end but it seems as if all he talked about was the safe being found buried under rocks?

 

[JustMe42]

LPG, Jr is going to have a mental implosion pretty soon. He really thinks his piece of paper stops questioning? He really thinks the police have to follow HIS orders?

I thought that when you asked to involk (sp) your miranda (sp) rights and asked for a lawyer, then you are not to be questioned anymore without a lawyer present. Maybe if an attorney is on this board they can clarify.

 

[UnderDog]

So what was the purpose of that presser I only saw the very end but it seems as if all he talked about was the safe being found buried under rocks?

He also said they aren't certain whether it was opened. HLN just said there are likely THREE more POI they are investigating.

 

[Lossmitpro]

Are people confusing AS, the person who reported the crime with CS, the person listed on pnj.com's arrest reports of 7/15?

CS, 22, 1200 block of Via de Luna, Pensacola Beach, fraud ownership to a pawnbroker, dealing in stolen property.

Yes, I certainly did, and I am now going to go modify or remove my post that used the word 'arrest.'

Dang, I am going back to lurk mode, and throwing my junior sleuther badge under the bed.

Sorry for confusion, all on me. :behindbar

 

[UnderDog]

I thought that when you asked to involk (sp) your miranda (sp) rights and asked for a lawyer, then you are not to be questioned anymore without a lawyer present. Matbe if an attorney is on this board they can clarify.

They can ask him if he's changed his mind as many times as they want, right?

 

[Chemaster]

Nope ... it must be asserted on a question by question basis ...

I thought that when you asked to involk (sp) your miranda (sp) rights and asked for a lawyer, then you are not to be questioned anymore without a lawyer present. Maybe if an attorney is on this board they can clarify.

 

[JustMe42]

They can ask him if he's changed his mind as many times as they want, right?

Underdog....I dont honestly know for sure....thats why I am asking. If everything is not done right and a suspects rights are violated, thats where appeals, sanctions and taking the DP off the table comes in.

I understand if someone is questioned, they can insert their 5th amendment right.but, when read miranda rights ( a "suspect" in a "criminal case" ) and then they ask for a lawyer to be present, can they then still be questioned without a lawyer representing them.

 

[Tuffy]

Yes, I certainly did, and I am now going to go modify or remove my post that used the word 'arrest.'

Dang, I am going back to lurk mode, and throwing my junior sleuther badge under the bed.

Sorry for confusion, all on me. :behindbar

Please don't go back to lurk mode, the more sleuths on the case the better!

There are tons of players involved in this case, its easy enough for anyone to get confused.

 

[WeatherOrNot]

Are people confusing AS, the person who reported the crime with CS, the person listed on pnj.com's arrest reports of 7/15?

CS, 22, 1200 block of Via de Luna, Pensacola Beach, fraud ownership to a pawnbroker, dealing in stolen property.

Just FYI, Pensacola Beach is in Escambia County, Gulf Breeze is a peninsula and it is in Santa Rosa County and in between Pensacola and Pensacola Beach.

Just to make it more confusing, Pensacola Beach, that is in Escambia County, is a town on Santa Rosa Island

 

[Chemaster]

They can ask as long as they do not use coercion .... he much apply his rights to remain silent on a question by question basis.

Underdog....I dont honestly know for sure....thats why I am asking. If everything is not done right and a suspects rights are violated, thats where appeals and taking the DP off the table comes in.

I understand if someone is questioned, they can insert their 5th amendment right.but, when read miranda rights and then they ask for a lawyer to be present, can they then still be questioned without a lawyer representing them.

 

[CountryGirl]

I am telling you --- there is SOMETHING to this!!! JMO!!!!!!!!!!

Something to what? Don't mean to be dense here but can you elaborate?

 

[Tuffy]

Underdog....I dont honestly know for sure....thats why I am asking. If everything is not done right and a suspects rights are violated, thats where appeals and taking the DP off the table comes in.

I was thinking the same as you, and am still not entirely sure. This is from the article, as stated by the judge.

“They can ask you as much as they want to, but as long as you keep invoking your Fifth Amendment rights, they can’t get any information from you,” Johnson said.

 

[Gypsy Road]

So what was the purpose of that presser I only saw the very end but it seems as if all he talked about was the safe being found buried under rocks?

He also explained why LE initially withheld info about the contents of the safe - saying that they were trying to protect the integrity of the case. It almost sounds like he didn't want the information about the contents released, but since they were - he felt like he had to come out and verify the contents and explain why LE didn't release that info. That's what I got from the presser anyway.

 

[UnderDog]

Underdog....I dont honestly know for sure....thats why I am asking. If everything is not done right and a suspects rights are violated, thats where appeals and taking the DP off the table comes in.

I understand if someone is questioned, they can insert their 5th amendment right.but, when read miranda rights and then they ask for a lawyer to be present, can they then still be questioned without a lawyer representing them.

The Judge gave his decision in court and told Gonzales to just "keep mum". In other words, his rights are not being violated because he can refuse to answer without fear of retribution.