Court TV Jon Benet: Anatomy of a Cold Case will air Thurs. 06/29/06

[Seeker]

You're going to need more than the Fs to convince me. If Patsy was trying to make it look like she didn't write that note, don't you think she would form letters differently than she normally does? She was never excluded as the author of the ransom note. That says more than oddly shaped Fs do.

Actually the CBI and the US Secret Service also said of Patsy's writing, "there is little to no basis for a match" (paraphrased from memory).

 

[Camper]

Yes, I would assume it was Burke. He has been my number one suspect for a long time, anyway.

I think something happened with Burke and Patsy covered it up. My loose theory leaves room for Patsy unknowingly 'finishing' the job while 'staging'.

--->>>Great thought process Brefie. Never thought about PR just finding the children doing things - like what MIGHT have happened on the 23rd when 911 was called.

Upon finding them, scolding, screaming LOSING all control, etc, sending B to his room, and then taking it out on JonBenet. This would explain the dust on her feet too.

This could have been the 'topper' for the night, first the rebellion about WHAT JonBenet would wear to the White's party then __________ fill in the blank.

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[Camper]

Actually the CBI and the US Secret Service also said of Patsy's writing, "there is little to no basis for a match" (paraphrased from memory).

------>>>They should have had a long long conversation with Twilight, our wonderful poster who has background aplenty for her explanation of the NOTE writers abilities and distinctions that make the writer more visible than a picture taken in a photo booth at Walgreens.

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[ssiegmund]

---->>>Well do please keep in mind that PR was ambidextrous, she was an artist, and she was creative ALL wonderful traits when writing something that is supposed to have been done by someone else.

I am still rather convinced that a PERSON with an alibi, and a history of drinking, and who could have been asking boatman to have an accident with JonBenet in a boat, and who has disappeared from the radar screen, is a viable thought in my 'head' at least to have been 'the' elusive perp.

The 'POWER' of the demon alcohol has been responsible for uncountable criminaL behaviors.

They are here with the white straight jackets for me so gotta go now.

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Will someone please give me a quick synopsis about the boatman story? I missed it. Thank you.

 

[Seeker]

------>>>They should have had a long long conversation with Twilight, our wonderful poster who has background aplenty for her explanation of the NOTE writers abilities and distinctions that make the writer more visible than a picture taken in a photo booth at Walgreens.

I remember reading Twilight's great explinations and seeing her comparisons, but I don't know that she's any more qualified than those at the CBI and US Secret Service who studied the actual ransom note.

Patsy may have written the RN, I'm no expert, but I thought it looked like some of her writing too.

 

[BBB167893]

------>>>They should have had a long long conversation with Twilight, our wonderful poster who has background aplenty for her explanation of the NOTE writers abilities and distinctions that make the writer more visible than a picture taken in a photo booth at Walgreens.

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Yeah. I wouldn't mind a refresher.

My memory's not quite THAT good, so I'll go by my notes:

Ubowski, the CBI man, has said that he believes Patsy wrote the note, just not sure enough to say so in court.

Leonard Speckin: "Ready to testify that there was only an infinitestimal chance that some random intruder would have handwriting characteristics so remarkably similar to those of a parent sleeping upstairs." Speckin was only unsure because of the disguised writing.

David Liebman: "I found fifty-one (51) points of comparison and similarity, which is a very high number. The chances of a third party sharing the same characteristics is astronomical. In my professional opinion, Patsy Ramsey is the ransom note writer."

Gideon Epstein: "There are no significant differences. 100% certain."

Tom Miller: 97% certain.

And on and on.

 

[UKGuy]

A couple of ways to view the tea drinking and pinapple snack is:

1.) It was a secret early morning session undertaken by Burke and JonBenet without their parents knowledge.

2.) It was a convivial family snack to end off the day?


I prefer the 2nd since its signifigance was lost on the R's during the cleanup and staging period, plus with the flashlight being wiped clean, and anything else we dont know about, why leave the bowl and glass out with prints?

I reckon Patsy probably supervised the pineapple serving and monitored their behaviour, possibly while she did a few things in the kitchen?

At some point later, after this relaxing pineapple snack someone visited terrible violence upon JonBenet!

If 2.) is correct then its difficult not to accuse Patsy and Burke of some kind of collusion.


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[Marine Mom]

What I found stunning was that John picked up JonBenet's body and carried her through the house. JonBenet was in full rigor! Then a police officer further contaminated the body by moving her again close to the Christmas tree.

The floor plan of the house was interesting, too. Chopped up, light switches in unlikely places..kinda like a maze. What was said was that you had to have knowledge of the home to even find the room.

 

[BBB167893]

What I found stunning was that John picked up JonBenet's body and carried her through the house. JonBenet was in full rigor! Then a police officer further contaminated the body by moving her again close to the Christmas tree.

The floor plan of the house was interesting, too. Chopped up, light switches in unlikely places..kinda like a maze. What was said was that you had to have knowledge of the home to even find the room.

One guy even got lost!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The CourtTV show almost contradicted itself.

They spoke of cord fibers in JBR's bedroom, and speculated that the perp may have applied the cords to JBR while she was in her bedroom. They presented as likely the idea that JBR was stun-gunned or tasered at some point while she was still alive.

Then, they noted that its unlikely an intruder could move JBR from her room without disturbing the other occupants.

 

[BeeBee]

The CourtTV show almost contradicted itself.

They spoke of cord fibers in JBR's bedroom, and speculated that the perp may have applied the cords to JBR while she was in her bedroom. They presented as likely the idea that JBR was stun-gunned or tasered at some point while she was still alive.

Then, they noted that its unlikely an intruder could move JBR from her room without disturbing the other occupants.

The narrator probably reads from a teleprompter.

 

[Camper]

Will someone please give me a quick synopsis about the boatman story? I missed it. Thank you.

--->>>Well for starters the R attorneys made it all disappear quickly.

Synopsis:

I named the person entreatied to cause an accident with JonBenet in a boat with her older half brother, BOATMAN.

Boatman was a frequent drug informer for the Waterford PD.

Boatman came forward soon in Feb of 1997, to tell the Globe paper that a male who said he was John Andrew Ramsey, offered him $10,000 to ram a small boat that JAR and JonBenet would be in, and JAR 'alone' would jump to safety.

Boatman would seem to have a LARGE boat or access to a LARGE boat, WE donut know what the size of the proposed accident causing boat would be.

To us common folk, WE believe the only contact of BPD with WPD was a phone call from Jane Harmer, detective with BPD.* WE really do not know IF there are other pertinent investigative facts about this.

Grapevine/media info was that WPD discounted the 'veracity' of BOATMAN.* The end.

HOWEVER, the R's attorneys SAID, that JAR was NOT in MI at the time the proposal was made to BOATMAN.* Ba da bang ba da bing.* THE OFFICIAL end.

WE donut know if BOATMAN was ever shown a pic of JAR.* BUT the indecent proposal supposedly was made the summer of 1996, as my husband would say if he were still living would be " what a co-inky-dinky, when JonBenet was murdered that upcoming Christmas of 1996."

Now it seems to me that IF BOATMAN was turning in druggies to the WPD, he had to have some good in-him.* PLUS he musta been hanging around with folk who used drugs in order to git-em and bust em.

The mystery continues.

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[BBB167893]

The CourtTV show almost contradicted itself.

They spoke of cord fibers in JBR's bedroom, and speculated that the perp may have applied the cords to JBR while she was in her bedroom. They presented as likely the idea that JBR was stun-gunned or tasered at some point while she was still alive.

Then, they noted that its unlikely an intruder could move JBR from her room without disturbing the other occupants.

You're surprised?

 

[Camper]

IF any given person was in the circumstance of flying here and there on a private plane, and had friends whose families had planes, whats the chance someone could be in one state one minute and once they flew over the state line they are in another state, duh, huh. Plus they could sit at their own dinner table with family that night five states away from where they weren't, having waved at the neighbors while walking into dinner with the 'family'. I'd say it would be entirely possible. Concrete PROOF about WHO made the $10,000.00 offer for an accident was not chased down, MOO.

Almost like a Clinton like thingie, about the definition of 'is', er wuz, er wuzen't. He wuzen't 'in' the state.

A person could not be proven to have been someplace if no one they knew saw them, OR if the people who saw them, did not know them. OR IF like on the who done it shows, when the PI drags a picture around to the bars and places where the PI thinks the suspect or hunted person MIGHT have been likely to have visited, and asks, "Have you ever seen this person?"

I donut think Jane Harmer had a picture of the older son, ya think? Woulda been a nice touch for a detective.

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[Eagle1]

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I donut think Jane Harmer had a picture of the older son, ya think? Woulda been a nice touch for a detective.

This reminds me of my sometime theory there may be a JAR lookalike, because:

1. The Barnhills saw someone RESEMBLING JAR walking toward the house,
2. Someone allegedly claimed to BE JAR in Waterford, Michigan.

There was also a strange loiterer in Charlevoix that we don't know much about, badmouthing JR, hate propaganda for some reason, wearing a long overcoat I believe, as was the Barnhills' walker????? Don't know if he was also an impersonator. The coat could be just coincidence. Did a lot of the university students in Boulder wear long overcoats?

 

[Jayelles]

Can you buy recordings of shows from Court tv? It's one channel that just doesn't seem to be shown in the UK even by satellite. I'd transcribe it if I could see it :-(

 

[narlacat]

Jayelles
I know the kids over at www.jonbenet-ramsey.com sell tapes of shows to do with the case.
I don't know if they have this one for sale but you could try there.
They pay for the shipping.

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles
I know the kids over at www.jonbenet-ramsey.com sell tapes of shows to do with the case.
I don't know if they have this one for sale but you could try there.
They pay for the shipping.

That would be illegal right? Copyright etc.

 

[narlacat]

I dunno.
But if it is, they don't know that lol.
I doubt they would do something that was illegal intentionly.

 

[Jayelles]

I dunno.
But if it is, they don't know that lol.
I doubt they would do something that was illegal intentionly.

You can record tv programmes for your own use but not for profit. In the UK, there is a government body called FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft) and they monitor sales of copyrighted material. People caught selling and buying them get prosecuted.

It's not worth the risk IMO.