"Cover her face"

[screecher]

Coronado does things differently... [/I]

Obviously. :banghead:

 

[MyBelle]

The neighbor boy, I believe who knew GS, said in an article that they watched the scene from a rooftop. I felt sick thinking the neighborhood teenage boys are looking at a naked dead woman. Besides what about helicopters taking picture and blasting them all over the world.

I think paparazzi are a fact of life in Cali. It's not LE's job to worry what neighborhood boys are looking at from their private residences. I find it strange to blame cops for the sick obsession of others.

JMO

 

[SwampMama]

BBM. That's a huge difference than this case. RZ's death was in a metro area and I think all were paid professionals. In my own metro area, EMTs don't remain at death scenes.

Sometimes that's the trouble with paid professionals. You get people who quickly start saying "That's not my job" or "I'm not paid to do that". A volunteer fd was taken over and restaffed with all new "paid professionals". Within months complaints were pouring in about the sub par service of people who were no longer there to serve the public but rather just there to get the paycheck.

Not saying that is the case with all paid fire departments. My late fiance was paid firefighter for 25 years and I can't imagine he would have EVER left a victim in the state that RZ was left in. If he was forced to leave a victim that way, he would have been furious and would have quickly done something to establish a protocol to prevent that from happening.

Ok, I get it that things are different in the big city. They are overwhelmed with crimes, murders and victims. Death and violence are no big deal to them, just another day at work. So apparently there is no one who is paid to ensure the dignity of victims and to protect scenes from cameras and crowds. There isn't money in the budget for such niceties as that.

I dunno. I am still just left shaking my head and something is NOT right here with how she was treated or how long it took for her to be covered. She was left out in the open for an entire day and then displayed on TV in that condition. SOMETHING is seriously wrong with that!!!!

I'm going to go talk a walk and thank God that I live in a place where that would NEVER happen.

 

[MyBelle]

IMO,

LE most certainly focuses on the dead, last time I checked they investigate and prosecute murders all the time.
RZ's body could and was seen. Some people are born with an inherent sense of right and wrong. Some people are lucky enough to have parents that teach them to live by a moral code that helps them emphasize with others. There are people that always do the right thing and there are people that for whatever reason look the other way, need to be told to do the right thing, or only do the right thing if they will be compensated for it. There are people that spend their whole lives making excuses and refuse to take responsibility for their actions or inaction. It doesn't matter if they had a tent on hand, or someone didn't give the order to cover her, or whatever. What matters is that a group of people worked that scene knowing her body was exposed and did nothing. Sometimes there just aren't any good excuses, this is one of those times.

BBM. I think it wasn't their job to cover the body. To me, that's a pretty good excuse. I never saw anyone in San Diego complaining about it. Cops investigate the circumstances of a death but they don't examine the dead body itself.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Sometimes that's the trouble with paid professionals. You get people who quickly start saying "That's not my job" or "I'm not paid to do that". A volunteer fd was taken over and restaffed with all new "paid professionals". Within months complaints were pouring in about the sub par service of people who were no longer there to serve the public but rather just there to get the paycheck.

Not saying that is the case with all paid fire departments. My late fiance was paid firefighter for 25 years and I can't imagine he would have EVER left a victim in the state that RZ was left in. If he was forced to leave a victim that way, he would have been furious and would have quickly done something to establish a protocol to prevent that from happening.

Ok, I get it that things are different in the big city. They are overwhelmed with crimes, murders and victims. Death and violence are no big deal to them, just another day at work. So apparently there is no one who is paid to ensure the dignity of victims and to protect scenes from cameras and crowds. There isn't money in the budget for such niceties as that.

I dunno. I am still just left shaking my head and something is NOT right here with how she was treated or how long it took for her to be covered. She was left out in the open for an entire day and then displayed on TV in that condition. SOMETHING is seriously wrong with that!!!!

I'm going to go talk a walk and thank God that I live in a place where that would NEVER happen.

I don't know of any police department that would allow volunteers to hang around after crime scene tape goes up. I also don't know of any metro fire department or police department that has spare staff to just hang around.

I do believe blaming cops or firefighters for the tasteless actions of those who take such photos is a bit unrealistic.

I remember seeing photos of Laci Peterson's remains on the rocks by the Bay. Cameras are everywhere.

JMO.

 

[freespeech]

I don't know of any police department that would allow volunteers to hang around after crime scene tape goes up. I also don't know of any metro fire department or police department that has spare staff to just hang around.

I do believe blaming cops or firefighters for the tasteless actions of those who take such photos is a bit unrealistic.

I remember seeing photos of Laci Peterson's remains on the rocks by the Bay. Cameras are everywhere.

JMO.

Do police have jurisdiction of the crime scene? Do two wrongs make a right?

 

[MyBelle]

You don't get it, do you? The human emotions in this. Everything to you seems to boil down to dollar and cents so why bother to perform a random act of kindness and decency. It's not practical. Let's get down to brass tacks, every man and woman for themselves. You really just don't seem get it. I can accept that.

So why not just accept that it bothered a great many people and leave it at that? What happen to Rebecca, how they treated her body, offended people.

Why are you offended that other people were offended? Why not just accept it. Why are you outraged that people were offended. Everyone doesn't have to be you. You aren't the only one who is right all the time.

There are a lot of nice people out there who simply do what is right for it's own sake without expecting anything in return. You seem to have trouble with that. Why?

I find the fixation on nudity to be bizarre. The poor woman was dead and LE weren't just standing around staring at her nudity. <modsnip>Somebody needs to stand up for them and I work in LE.

I think LE did their job in investigating RZ's death whether you or I agree with their conclusions or not.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Do police have jurisdiction of the crime scene? Do two wrongs make a right?

A crime scene is a secured area with restricted access. Many media photos depicted the crime scene tape around the Shacknai property. What exactly did LE do wrong? Nothing, that I've seen.

JMO

 

[justice be served]

I find the fixation on nudity to be bizarre. The poor woman was dead and LE weren't just standing around staring at her nudity. What I have trouble with is the endless, baseless bashing of LE for photos they didn't take. This entire thread seems to be an excuse to bash, bash. Somebody needs to stand up for them and I work in LE.

I think LE did their job in investigating RZ's death whether you or I agree with their conclusions or not.

JMO

It hasnothing to do with the photos and everything to do with LE inactions. If i worked in LE i would be shamed by that for my profession.

 

[freespeech]

BBM. I think it wasn't their job to cover the body. To me, that's a pretty good excuse. I never saw anyone in San Diego complaining about it. Cops investigate the circumstances of a death but they don't examine the dead body itself.

JMO

It depends on the leadership. If their superior officer has integrity that will trickle down. If their superior officer is unethical and incompetent then that will flavor the behavior and actions of their subordinates.

I never blamed the individual LE at the bottom of the pyramid here. As a matter of fact I would love to hear what they had to say about the episode. I would imagine that would be very, very interesting. Hopefully, one day some of that will leak out and we will learn more of what really went on behind the scenes here.

 

[MyBelle]

It hasnothing to do with the photos and everything to do with LE inactions. If i worked in LE i would be shamed by that for my profession.

I don't believe any LE who investigated RZ's death have any reason to feel ashamed.

 

[freespeech]

A crime scene is a secured area with restricted access. Many media photos depicted the crime scene tape around the Shacknai property. What exactly did LE do wrong? Nothing, that I've seen.

JMO

The person in charge did not take control. He did not prevent the media storm and ensuing public criticism. He failed to properly administrate. He deserves the criticism. Why does that bother you?

 

[MyBelle]

It depends on the leadership. If their superior officer has integrity that will trickle down. If their superior officer is unethical and incompetent then that will flavor the behavior and actions of their subordinates.

I never blamed the individual LE at the bottom of the pyramid here. As a matter of fact I would love to hear what they had to say about the episode. I would imagine that would be very, very interesting. Hopefully, one day some of that will leak out and we will learn more of what really went on behind the scenes here.

All LE have procedures and processes they must follow in investigations. They are audited on their following of these procedures. Doesn't matter who was their leader if all they did was follow procedure and I have no reason to believe they did not follow procedure.

I do not believe the AG will order an independant investigation if all they may have failed in doing was erecting a screen.

JMO

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Sometimes that's the trouble with paid professionals. You get people who quickly start saying "That's not my job" or "I'm not paid to do that". A volunteer fd was taken over and restaffed with all new "paid professionals". Within months complaints were pouring in about the sub par service of people who were no longer there to serve the public but rather just there to get the paycheck.

Not saying that is the case with all paid fire departments. My late fiance was paid firefighter for 25 years and I can't imagine he would have EVER left a victim in the state that RZ was left in. If he was forced to leave a victim that way, he would have been furious and would have quickly done something to establish a protocol to prevent that from happening.

Ok, I get it that things are different in the big city. They are overwhelmed with crimes, murders and victims. Death and violence are no big deal to them, just another day at work. So apparently there is no one who is paid to ensure the dignity of victims and to protect scenes from cameras and crowds. There isn't money in the budget for such niceties as that.

I dunno. I am still just left shaking my head and something is NOT right here with how she was treated or how long it took for her to be covered. She was left out in the open for an entire day and then displayed on TV in that condition. SOMETHING is seriously wrong with that!!!!

I'm going to go talk a walk and thank God that I live in a place where that would NEVER happen.

IMO,

I think your post is great. Having lived in both small towns and big cities, I will say there is a difference. In a small town, residents better understand the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. They don't wait for someone else to step-in, they just get it done.

I can appreciate why putting a tent over RZ's body could have potentially contaminated the scene but leaving her body exposed for that length of time also created issues. I believe that there were ways to shield her body and prevent exposure that would not have hampered the investigation.

 

[screecher]

MyBelle, you say you work in LE :what: yet you implied to shield the body would do nothing BUT compromise the scene.

You say you work in LE :what: yet you state LE is concerned with the living not a nude dead body.

Surely you say these things in jest.

 

[MyBelle]

The person in charge did not take control. He did not prevent the media storm and ensuing public criticism. He failed to properly administrate. He deserves the criticism. Why does that bother you?

The person in charge of the LE investigation can not control the media. The foundation of America is based on our media being separate from our government rather than controlled by it.

I've seen nothing that indicates any LE failed to perform the duties of their positions.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

I find the fixation on nudity to be bizarre. The poor woman was dead and LE weren't just standing around staring at her nudity. <modsnip>. Somebody needs to stand up for them and I work in LE.

I think LE did their job in investigating RZ's death whether you or I agree with their conclusions or not.

JMO

Why does the criticism and discussion about this bother you. People were shocked. It is healthy to have a group discussion about shocking experiences. It helps people to work through the trauma and come to terms with it.

Not every one is as accepting of this type of situation as you. There is nothing wrong in continuing to discuss the matter for how ever long it takes for those bothered by it.

 

[Sharyne]

All LE have procedures and processes they must follow in investigations. They are audited on their following of these procedures. Doesn't matter who was their leader if all they did was follow procedure and I have no reason to believe they did not follow procedure.

I do not believe the AG will order an independant investigation if all they may have failed in doing was erecting a screen.

JMO

Are LE responsible for protecting and preserving forensic evidence? Wouldn't the sun have changed the condition of her body, which would also delay being able to get time of death?

 

[freespeech]

The person in charge of the LE investigation can not control the media. The foundation of America is based on our media being separate from our government rather than controlled by it.

I've seen nothing that indicates any LE failed to perform the duties of their positions.

JMO

Since the person in control can't control the media like you mentioned he should have predicted the public's response and erected a tent to prevent the media storm.

The ability to administrate the correct course of action in these situations is why these people make big buck salaries. If they are not effective in their position of leadership then they need to be called out on it. Calling them out on their lack of competence is the job of the public. That's what is happening now. Gore is being called out for his lack of proper direction beginning with not reducing/preventing the media storm.

Furthermore, there is a question of conflict of interest here since Gore was know to socialize with Jonah Shacknai. The way this case was handled needs to be examined by peer professionals. Public outrage and criticism needs to be taken into account when deciding the future course of action in these matters.

 

[MyBelle]

Why does the criticism and discussion about this bother you. People were shocked. It is healthy to have a group discussion about shocking experiences. It helps people to work through the trauma and come to terms with it.

Not every one is as accepting of this type of situation as you. There is nothing wrong in continuing to discuss the matter for how ever long it takes for those bothered by it.

I said the baseless bashing of LE is what bothers me. I'm not seeing anything healthy about the practice. I also do not believe any poster here is still traumatized over aerial, blurry photos taken over a year ago.

JMO