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[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Golfmom, the blood was found on the side door which was pointed out to us to be on the south side of the house. The south side is not facing the street. I completely believe that the porch where the photos were taken DO face the street based on the driveway in the background. You would indeed be able to see the house in the background because the photo is taken at a slight angle.

ETA: But the house in the background can't be the house at the first driveway. It's probably the house, (and in one photo, the two houses), on the right side of the street before you make the turn onto their part of the street).

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

If my previous post regarding the houses is correct, that would make the house in the background about 80 yards away, (or more depending on which house it is). Does it look in the photo as if the house is 80 yards away? I'm not good with judging distance.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Microsoft TerraServer Imageryhttp://www.terraserver.microsoft.co...am,+NC+27705&ALon=-78.9745745&ALat=36.0401898

Based on the angle in the photographs, I think the house(s) in the backgrounds of the photos are probably the two in the lower left of this image.

 

[Jenifred]

Here's how I believe the house is situated. I think that the porch runs north and south. I think the "road" that is in the picture is really the driveway. The "L" shaped white thing are the stairs leading from the driveway to the front porch. And the driveway continues along the south side of the house, possibly making the south side door (as was mentioned in the warrant) the main entrance to the home by friends and the residents. I think the house that we see in the background is not on the TerraServer map because the picture was taken in 2002. It looks like the driveway south of Janet and Raven's is forking into a site that could have been built on since 2002. Maybe? Any agreements? Or am I just repeating what everyone else has been saying?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

No, that's different than what I've been saying, Jennifred.

I still think that the porch faces the street - if you look at the satellite image again, you will see that if the road behind them is the driveway, then the porch HAS to be facing the street. I think that the driveway and the side door are on the same side of the house, (the South side), and the porch where the photos were taken are on the front (the West side). It seems that it would have to be because that's the direction that the path is taking.

If anyone is reading this that has visited the home or who knows the home, can you tell us where the porch and the side door are in relation to the street and the driveway? Is there a back door or just the front and side? Which door did the Abaroa's use most often or at least which would seem most likely for anyone that's stopping by?

I really feel that the porch is by the front door, and front doors are typically called that because they are on the front of the house, (the side that faces the street). In the picture of Raven and Kaiden, directly to the right are probably the steps that lead down the path which then turns left to the driveway. The driveway then goes on a fairly slight angle towards the street. I could be wrong but if I am, I'll eat my hat. Feel free to hold me to that.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

It looks like the driveway south of Janet and Raven's is forking into a site that could have been built on since 2002. Maybe? Any agreements? Or am I just repeating what everyone else has been saying?

If building has occured since the satellite image, then the hat-eating bet is off! lol. I can't account for that but from what I see in the images, it's the only way that makes sense to me.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Microsoft TerraServer Imagery

Look at the white L that golfmom was referring to. If that's a path leading to the front porch, then I think that at the spot where it meets the house is approximately where Raven was standing when the photo was taken. If you look at the angle, and the distances of the houses, it would completely fit with the theory that the houses in the bottom left of this image are the same ones in the background of his photos.

Maybe this is a better way of saying it. If the driveway behind him is the driveway for the Abaroa's house, then it HAS to be the way I've explained it. He would be facing north with the driveway and side door behind him, the front door to HIS right, and the street to HIS left. If that's his driveway in the photo, there's no other way it can be because his driveway runs along the South side of the house.

 

[Jenifred]

No, that's different than what I've been saying, Jennifred.

I still think that the porch faces the street - if you look at the satellite image again, you will see that if the road behind them is the driveway, then the porch HAS to be facing the street. I think that the driveway and the side door are on the same side of the house, (the South side), and the porch where the photos were taken are on the front (the West side).

I really feel that the porch is by the front door, and front doors are typically called that because they are on the front of the house, (the side that faces the street). In the picture of Raven and Kaiden, directly to the right are probably the steps that lead down the path which then turns left to the driveway. The driveway then goes on a very slight slant towards the street. I could be wrong but if I am, I'll eat my hat. Feel free to hold me to that.

Jersey--we are saying the same thing!:clap: (I think.) Porch is on the west facing the street, thus making it run north and south. Driveway on the south end, as well as the south door. The steps though look to be long--thus the L shaped staircase. And the driveway looks to run uphill. Thus making the south door their main entrance/exit.

 

[Jenifred]

Microsoft TerraServer Imagery

Look at the white L that golfmom was referring to. If that's a path leading to the front porch, then I think that at the spot where it meets the house is approximately where Raven was standing when the photo was taken. If you look at the angle, and the distances of the houses, it would completely fit with the theory that the houses in the bottom left of this image are the same ones in the background of his photos.

Maybe this is a better way of saying it. If the driveway behind him is the driveway for the Abaroa's house, then it HAS to be the way I've explained it. He would be facing north with the driveway and side door behind him, the front door to HIS right, and the street to HIS left. If that's his driveway in the photo, there's no other way it can be because his driveway runs along the South side of the house.

We're speaking the same language!!:clap: :dance: :clap: :dance:

 

[ewwwinteresting]

We know the search warrant indicated that the Dodge Durango was parked on the right side of the residence and the blood was on the side storm door and side door frame.....

I read this in an article:


"After police interviewed Raven Abaroa earlier on Thursday, they asked a judge for permission to search the vehicle for evidence a second time, the warrant said. "Information disclosed during that interview has suggested that further scientific testing is needed to determine the relationship of the vehicle to the homicide," the warrant said."

I am noticing that they didn't say "if" the vehicle is related to the homicide......any thoughts?

 

[golfmom]

Jersey--we are saying the same thing!:clap: (I think.) Porch is on the west facing the street, thus making it run north and south. Driveway on the south end, as well as the south door. The steps though look to be long--thus the L shaped staircase. And the driveway looks to run uphill. Thus making the south door their main entrance/exit.

I get it ! I get it !

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Porch runs Parallel to the driveway

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I get it ! I get it !

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Porch runs Parallel to the driveway

Is anyone good at drawing?

Maybe we can have someone sketch a layout of the house, driveway, porch, etc and then post it on a thread ... it would help everyone better visualize I think.

I'm not just talking about the outside, but maybe the inside... maybe if one of our friends of Janet can help us out...?
We're not implicating anyone here, just trying to better visualize.

 

[Jenifred]

Porch runs Parallel to the driveway

No, the porch is perpendicular to the drive way! (but the driveway angles in toward the house (southeast) and then levels out (east).

Make sense? Is this how you see it Jersey?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Jersey--we are saying the same thing!:clap: (I think.) Porch is on the west facing the street, thus making it run north and south. Driveway on the south end, as well as the south door. The steps though look to be long--thus the L shaped staircase. And the driveway looks to run uphill. Thus making the south door their main entrance/exit.

I'm with you all the way up until the south door being their main entrance. I can't see if the driveway continues beyond the front of the house but from the best I can tell, it doesn't seem so. It seems like it stops fairly close to the path, (if that's even what it is - lol)!

I don't think that we can determine which is the entrance most often used. As for main entrance, I would think that the front door on the porch would have been intended for the main entrance. Whether or not they used it as such, I have no idea. We only have these images to go on. But here's a thought ... what are the captions under the photos on the porch? Don't they say something like "getting ready to go to a soccer game" or something like that? If those pictures were snapped on the way out, then it's probably safe to assume that they used the front door exit at least on the day during which the photos were taken.

BTW, sorry for all of the confusion and not understanding what you were saying. I think I've definitely looked at this stuff for too long today!!!

The Terrasoft image ... it seems like there might have possibly been some building room to the north of the house but I personally don't see any space to the south or southwest where more homes could have been built. Even to the north, I'm having trouble seeing what's right next to that property. I can faintly see a driveway but am not sure what's in that spot beyond the driveway.

Also, if you go west from the Abaroa house, are those homes facing south or are those buildings/factories?

 

[golfmom]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Look at the driveway behind Raven it is running along the porch from this angle.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Is anyone good at drawing?

Maybe we can have someone sketch a layout of the house, driveway, porch, etc and then post it on a thread ... it would help everyone better visualize I think.

I'm not just talking about the outside, but maybe the inside... maybe if one of our friends of Janet can help us out...?
We're not implicating anyone here, just trying to better visualize.

That's a great idea. And no, not to implicate. Just to figure out where everything is, and how this all might relate to the crime.

To come out of the side door and then walk towards the street ... I don't understand. Especially if there was a seemingly much better chance of making a hidden getaway through the trees out back.

 

[golfmom]

That's a great idea. And no, not to implicate. Just to figure out where everything is, and how this all might relate to the crime.

To come out of the side door and then walk towards the street ... I don't understand. Especially if there was a seemingly much better chance of making a hidden getaway through the trees out back.

Exactly! and if they were in a vehicle, just jump in a drive away. Why cross in front of the house over to a stream?

 

[PrayersForMaura]

here's a drawing of Laci Peterson's house...
simple drawing. This is the only example I could find of what I was thinking of:

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/ssddad/images/house.jpg

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

No, the porch is perpendicular to the drive way! (but the driveway angles in toward the house (southeast) and then levels out (east).

Make sense? Is this how you see it Jersey?

Yes, the driveway runs southeast towards the house but at the point where you're seeing it leveling out towards the east, that's where we differ. I think that the driveway might stop at the end of that angle. The spot where it levels out is where I think the side door is but where I do NOT think there is driveway. I think the driveway stops near the path, and that the side door has whatever side doors without driveways have ... lol ... dirt, grass, trees, bins, etc. Look to the left of Raven in the picture - I don't see a driveway. Only grass, trees, etc. When you look to the right of Raven, the driveway seems pretty far out - is that a white vehicle poking out? Now compare the left and right sides of the picture. I'm just not seeing how that driveway could possibly extend much farther beyond there. The spot where the bins are - is that what you're thinking is the rest of the driveway? It might be but it seems like it would be too sharp of an angle from where we see the driveway on the right. It doesn't seem to match up to the satellite image the way that I'm looking at it.

I can't tell if it's gravel or dirt or stone or what under those bins. I also can't tell how far that might extend beyond the tree. Ugh ... I'm making myself crazy! I'll have to check the other photos again. I couldn't get the third one that was posted to work.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

http://www.ravenstree.com/images/Kaiden%20Images/IMGA0404.JPG

Look at the driveway behind Raven it is running along the porch from this angle.

You'd back the car out to right side of the picture to get to the street.