Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #3

[nunzio]

texasmommy, please understand I'm not trying to argue with you but when you say that you find it hard to believe that someone could inflict injuries like that in the same place think about it for a minute. Haleigh is short, a random backhand just very well have found it's way to the very place those injuries are. Nancy Grace and quite a few people believe those injuries happened at school. Yet the school reported the injury as a scratch on the nose. Those injuries where clearly more than that. A scratch doesn't turn into a laceration. The black eye would have been at least red when the nurse checked it at school. Someone needs to question the school nurse again and go over the records.

Speaking of Nancy Grace, she seems to go very easy on Ronald yet tears into Crystal. I think she's backing the wrong horse on this one, just like she did on the Duke case. Nancy went after those Duke kids with a vengence and never once apoligized to them after they were found innocent and the DA lost his job and license.

 

[angeleleven]

Thank you for posting this. I didn't get to see it last night, but I did read the posts of some who saw it. It was not at all like I had thought is was from reading the posts. That lawyer who is taking up for Ron was so rude and sat there rolling her eyes. I hope there is a resolution to this case soon and Haleigh is home. I think the case is going cold and it would be awful if she is never found. I do not think she is alive, but I keep hoping I am wrong.

I agree, the rudeness and rolling the eyes were very evident. I was a little surprised to see a professional act like this.

 

[texasmommy39]

So you are saying not one person in Florida (Satsuma) has the guts or intelligence to protect a child that they have witnessed being abused or has seen evidence of abuse?

I failed to say Social Services has evidence and found in their investigation persons that.

So you are saying not one person in Social Service in Florida (Satsuma) has the guts or intelligence to protect a child that they found evidence in their investigation persons that have witnessed being abused or has seen evidence of abuse?[/QUOTE]

 

[texasmommy39]

Well their goes the economy even more in your area. All of these individuals that fail Florida's ( Satsuma's) children should be fired and barred from their profession. Maybe this case will bring to light all those that fail your children. I will be an aid in your campaign to change these injustices.

 

[kiki the parrot]

First, nobody chooses their witnesses to crimes, nor if or when they step forward.

Secondly I don't find the timing the least suspicious because a non-custodial parent should reconsider custody after one of her children has gone missing while simultaneously new witnesses are coming forth, new reports surfacing w new allegations emerging of dad's abusiveness toward her children. Because this mother...

a) believed the abuse during time they lived together was either her fault or reserved solely for her (a common misperception by women who have been abused);

b) was overpowered, outresourced, outrepresented or just plain oppressed therefore became convinced she had no prayer of taking on dad and his attorney;

c) felt the court system failed her children or previously lacked confidence in the legal system to advocate for her or her children, but now has overcome that disparity w an offer of legal assistance; and/or

d) is hearing from new witnesses coming forth and corroborating accounts being brought to light NOW giving her reason to believe abuse has been directed at her children;

Is there a BETTER time to pursue this? To ensure that the custody in which Haleigh Lord willing can one day resume her life and/or in which Junior could remain, is in fact free of abuse, drugs, and other dangers?

We also don't CHOOSE when we're offered affordable, adequate representation, nor when tragedy may draw media attention to our case prompting those responsible for the current arrangement to reconsider their decision or compelling their accountability in the interest of the children. Should it require this kind of pressure to properly investigate the situation well more power to this mother--who surely also would not CHOOSE to first LOSE ONE CHILD in order to secure the protection of the other.

Some have asked what kind of parent has time to reconsider custody now? I guess the "kind" w renewed concern, and renewed hope--w new reason to suspect now they are endangered, and newfound assistance and resources--prepared, and able to take on the fight for her children. If we are praying for Haleigh to be brought home, let's make sure it's to a safe and stable one. God forbid it may be too late for Haleigh but wherever she is, if there is one thing we can be sure Haleigh "wanted" it is for her baby bro to be protected. JMO

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[cuppy199]

Well their goes the economy even more in your area. All of these individuals that fail Florida's ( Satsuma's) children should be fired and barred from their profession. Maybe this case will bring to light all those that fail your children. I will be an aid in your campaign to change these injustices.

Yes children do get over looked and the system fails them. But there is alot more falsely accused then there is ones that have been failed. I have read countless stories of women,men and parents who are still together have there lifes effected forever from being falsely accused. Its a sad thing no matter which way you look at it. There needs to be a better system all around.

 

[kamky]

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Yet the school reported the injury as a scratch on the nose. Those injuries where clearly more than that. A scratch doesn't turn into a laceration. The black eye would have been at least red when the nurse checked it at school. Someone needs to question the school nurse again and go over the records.
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Based on my own recent experience, I don't find these "increasing" injuries particularly strange. I broke my wrist and had surgery to straighten the bone. It was swollen but was never red. But, 10 - 14 days later, it went though all the color changes, purple, green, yellow, & brown, and looked awful. Also, children mess with scratches and turn them into horrible scabs. I'm not saying that this rules out any later injury, but I certainly don't see these pictures as proof. They are quite explainable.

 

[CHICANA]

I am sorry I should of continued with my comment but it was late and I got a little emotional. Went to bed.
My point is I can identify with her on so many levels. With out giving a bio here I can only say that she is not what I would consider abused.
A victim maybe of overbearing individuals in her life but not abuse. I have not heard her mention being beat, but that he called her names. If I am wrong please correct me.
I really do feel for CS. I just can't shake my conclusion to the evidence that its a parental abduction. It doesn't make her a bad mom for wanting her kids or wanting them safe but her actions that say other wise. I probably should retire on this case and wait for the outcome since my opinion is so debatable here at WS.

She said he hit her in the back of the head and kicked her off the bed while she was pregnant with Haleigh.
What evidence do you feel points to a parental abduction ?

 

[debs]

I find it hard to believe that someone could intentionally inflict injuries in the same place days later and not cause MORE injury and possible life threatening. In the heat of the moment no one would be so talented and fortunate.

I sure wouldn't want to be the person making that call, to ignore something like that.

 

[CHICANA]

Does any one remember the interview with CS in regards to her lie detector results. If I remember correctly she stated she didn't know if she passed. I have questioned this in my mind so many times. I wonder why she would not know if she passed or not. My opinion is if she was not there and had no knowledge she would of stated of course I passed not I am not sure.

This isn't something I've questioned as LE on this case have said that they usually don't tell a person if they've passed or not. It's sent to experts to analyze. I trust her more because she's not throwing it out there that she 'passed'.
Again, LE continues to state that Misty is the "key" to solving this case.
When Crystal spoke at the presser, I saw sorrow for her on the faces of LE officers. I didn't see distrust.

 

[CHICANA]

RC and MC said they passed.

And yet they haven't been cleared and Misty is still considered the "key" to solving this case.
LE has not said that they have passed.

 

[CHICANA]

So you are saying not one person in Florida (Satsuma) has the guts or intelligence to protect a child that they have witnessed being abused or has seen evidence of abuse?

I don't think it has to do with guts or intelligence. Many are aware of DCFS's poor track record and propensity to leave children where they shouldn't while taking children from good homes and destroying families. They are notorious for making bad decisions and placing kids in homes where they suffer far more than if they'd been left with their parents.
Abusive parents also get good at manipulating the system.
And sometimes it's all about how good you can kiss a#!
After learning that it doesn't matter because they're not going to do anything, why call over and over again and risk retaliation if the abuser suspects the reporter.
Plus, if the abuse isn't severe, you can't know if the children will be safer in a home chosen by government. We all know how lousy their oversight is.

 

[CHICANA]

If I was given I test to determine if I was lying on events I know for certain I had no knowledge of or didn't participate I would feel very confident about those results. Uncertainty denotes no confidence in her statements in regards to the questions asked in the test.

Unless they told me I passed, I would be uncertain even if I knew I told the truth. Why ? Because it's a machine and I don't know how accurate it is or what might cause it to show I'm lying when I'm not. Could it be inaccurate due to my mental state or if I was taking valium or zanax because I was distraught over my missing child ?
If I knew I were telling the truth I wouldn't ask them if I passed and I don't think Crystal did either. If LE hadn't told me I passed, I couldn't answer that question with absolute certainty either.

 

[texasmommy39]

She said he hit her in the back of the head and kicked her off the bed while she was pregnant with Haleigh.
What evidence do you feel points to a parental abduction ?

Was it just the one time or repeated abuse? Believe me the first time should be the last time but battered women usually make the mistake to stay and the abuse will continue and evolve over time. I am guilty of this common mistake also.
I have already stated my theory and have been told not to re post it just anywhere.
It is a valid theory considering all the facts that we know to date. I am not going to claim it to be a truth but a very good possibility. At least it is food for thought on the possibility.

 

[CHICANA]

I need to stop I dont want to seem mean I just don't see gray. Its black or white with me.

Exactly, Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance is gray.
The black and white are the facts.
Haleigh is missing.
Misty was the last person to see Haleigh.
She was taken out of the same room that Misty said she was sleeping in.
A girl who just turned 17 in December says she was in charge of those kids 24/7.
Ron has NEVER said he thought it even possible that Crystal took her.
Misty has had, I believe 3 polygraphs while Crystal and Ron have taken one.
LE says "Misty is the key".
Since Misty is the key, if Crystal took her that would infer that they were in on it together.
What else is black and white ?

 

[cuppy199]

Was it just the one time or repeated abuse? Believe me the first time should be the last time but battered women usually make the mistake to stay and the abuse will continue and evolve over time. I am guilty of this common mistake also.
I have already stated my theory and have been told not to re post it just anywhere.
It is a valid theory considering all the facts that we know to date. I am not going to claim it to be a truth but a very good possibility. At least it is food for thought on the possibility.

Thats all we all have is theories at this point. Not to much in this case has proven to be fact yet. Your opinions and theories are most welcome IMO. Just as anyone elses is

 

[CHICANA]

Was it just the one time or repeated abuse? Believe me the first time should be the last time but battered women usually make the mistake to stay and the abuse will continue and evolve over time. I am guilty of this common mistake also.
I have already stated my theory and have been told not to re post it just anywhere.
It is a valid theory considering all the facts that we know to date. I am not going to claim it to be a truth but a very good possibility. At least it is food for thought on the possibility.

I don't see why it matters how many times he hit her, just that he hit her.

 

[cuppy199]

Exactly, Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance is gray.
The black and white are the facts.
Haleigh is missing.
Misty was the last person to see Haleigh.
She was taken out of the same room that Misty said she was sleeping in.
A girl who just turned 17 in December says she was in charge of those kids 24/7.
Ron has NEVER said he thought it even possible that Crystal took her.
Misty has had, I believe 3 polygraphs while Crystal and Ron have taken one.
LE says "Misty is the key".
Since Misty is the key, if Crystal took her that would infer that they were in on it together.
What else is black and white ?

Everyone is a suspect at this point. Everyone needs to be looked at IMO.

 

[doogiesgirl]

doogiesgirl I don't understand where you get the impression Crystal doesn't care about Haleigh, it's quite obvious she does. She also cares about the welfare of her son who is still in a very questionable environment. This is not a custody battle at all. Crystal is reporting what she feels may constitute child abuse from what she knows and what others are saying. It's the duty of anyone to report abuse when the possiblity exists. Your accusation that Crystal is being "VERY OPPORTUNISTIC" is way over the top and unfounded not to mention slanderist.

We will just have to agree to disagree. We each get an impression or instinct about a person and mine just does not pick up any "heart" any "passion" when CS is asked about her daughter Haleigh. I stick with my opinion about CS being opportunistic. She was thousands of dollars behind in child support when this happened. I have seen her speak of custody issues vs finding Haleigh the majority of her media time. I just don't understand that. While her daughter is missing the time she is given on air IMO should be spent 100% getting the word out. I am not accusing CS of being opportunistic, it is my opinion. There is a place for custody issues and a time, right now isn't the time and national tv isn't the place. My opinion on CS putting her four year old son on GR to describe what he saw and heard, leading the public as well as the perp to assume he knows who did this, that was completely dangerous to that child and a very bad decision on her part IMO. That is not protecting him in my book. The fact that a judge (what twice?) has awarded custody to RC is also not lost on me, there must be a reason for that. Just sayin. jmo

Also I think that is very unfair to say that RC "lost" Haleigh. So are all parents whose children have been abducted at fault? This could happen to any parent.

 

[CHICANA]

Everyone is a suspect at this point. Everyone needs to be looked at IMO.

I understand, I just haven't seen anything that leads me to believe CS had anything to do with it. It doesn't mean she couldn't have, there's just not much there besides the back child support.
Also, while LE hasn't ruled anybody out, they have focused mainly on Misty.