Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #3

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  • #221
We have no idea how people would respond that we don't know. For all we know everyone fears everyone. Maybe they play the "it's not my business" card...who knows? But, should they keep silent now if they do believe they have information? Maybe it took this child to go missing before someone stepped forward.

This is OT but in the Adam Herman case the child had been missing for TEN YEARS before being reported missing, and only after that happened, lots of people came out of the woodwork to say they'd seen him being abused. I'm afraid people act like the proverbial monkeys a lot (see no evil, hear no evil, report nothing...) The time that it takes for people to step forward doesn't prove or disprove abuse.
 
  • #222
WRONG! (and you know that is not what I posted!:furious:)

If someone saw abuse last year and waited until Crystal arrives in Satsuma when she becomes embroiled in a child missing/child custody issue and people want to enact whatever revenge on Ronald they so desire...they conveniently take it to Crystal after waiting all that time?! No flipping way!! I am pulling the BS handle on that!! :furious:

My point is not that Crystal or Ron is right. My point is that the child needs to be interviewed by experts in child abuse cases and the witnesses should be deposed and let the truth stand for itself. Abuse or not what is everyone afraid of? The child will be able to say whether these things have happened or not after extensive counseling. Will we listen to JR's side?
 
  • #223
There were ongoing issues you might want to read the court records, not the custody documents but the court records. Ron filed several times for orders to have the children returned, Marie wrote letters, attorneys were in court etc. Cannot direct link but here is the site for you to enter the info to get the file. https://www.putnam-fl.com/secure/public_menu.php

Huh. I didn't know that Ron had been arrested for trespassing, declared himself indigent, had been cited for leaving the scene of an accident with injuries, and poaching, all while maintaining the custody of his children. Interesting link. Thanks.
 
  • #224
Huh. I didn't know that Ron had been arrested for trespassing, declared himself indigent, had been cited for leaving the scene of an accident with injuries, and poaching, all while maintaining the custody of his children. Interesting link. Thanks.

Not to mention possession of drugs, paraphanelia, and a drug vehicle... and for those who persist in pretending this all transpired "before he became a father" or was responsible for any children, Haleigh's dob is 8/17/2003:

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04)
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE 2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2
2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

As for Crystal's increased urgency based upon new reports, those concerns are well-founded. The notion that her current efforts to follow up on info relayed to her is somehow "disingenuous," simply because she was unsuccessful in convincing authorities or they were unable to substantiate these same concerns in the past, thus she should be prevented or prohibited from reporting additional info now or ever further pursuing in light of new and corroborating accounts, is ludicrous. This kind of mindset is how children wind up dead. From all indications, she's long been concerned about a number of issues re her children's father and risks to her children and reported those concerns but which unfortunately went unheeded. JMO

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  • #225
Who else would sit next to her attorney but Crystal? I don't understand what you're saying there.

Haleigh isn't lost IN THIS. She's been taken from her family. THIS issue is ancillary to the disappearance of Haleigh. Since arriving in Satsuma, Crystal has learned things about her children's living arrangements, not the least disturbing of which that they sleep in the same bed with an adult male and a teen aged girl, often have dirty blankets, are sleeping on a mattress on the floor when there is a perfectly good bed frame available in a bedroom across the living room (thus being exposed to drafts), that they are living in a home that has "laundry laying on the floor all the time" and certainly most important, that people are telling her that they have information that the children have been physically harmed. It is this last that seems to have sparked the investigation which, by LE statements to the news, was investigated at least THREE TIMES in the past, as well as Ron admitting that he spanks his children like DFS told him he could (which says that he had to be TOLD how to appropriately discipline his children in the first place). If there is smoke, there is fire, and Crystal HAS to take action now, despite the fact that her daughter is missing, since she has no way of knowing whether her daughter disappearing has anything to do with any of these things and her son is still in that environment.

If the stories Crystal has been told (but people seem to think she's made up) are false, then that will be determined by DFS. But to do nothing when met with all that information would be more suspect in my mind than her comment about not knowing whether she passed a lie detector test.
I will again respond, and hopefully it won't be deleted this time.:angel:

Crystal is taking on the responsibility as a mother to report what she has heard. I agree. She is basing hearsay to form accusations to turn over to DCF with out evidence to prove the statements of these "other people". If she had or has documented evidence in her possession to indicate this abuse she would not need the statements of others to have the abuse investigated. She has admitted to concerns in November. She also admitted she took pictures at the urging of step mom, who is employed as a nurse with a pediatricians office. I would feel this is important, because this family member has a legal obligation to report abuse based on her profession.
Abuse being indicated by dirty laundry is definitely absurd. I have read about Haleigh's medical condition and have to state It is advisable to keep in mind the height issues with this condition. Haleigh's bed being on the floor in the master bed can not be considered abuse but the opposite. Haleigh is scared of the dark, daddy is not in the home in the evenings. It shows these two do care about Haleigh's feels and want her to feel safe. I did see her bed frame in her own room.
The term investigated.... it seems they checked out these allegations in the past and found no abuse. They would of stated they had an open case or a on going investigation IMOO.
My opinion is it has been brought to the attention of everyone now and it will be determined if true or not. In the mean time I hope we all can focus on bringing Haleigh home.
 
  • #226
Not to mention possession of drugs, paraphanelia, and a drug vehicle... and for those who persist in pretending this all transpired "before he became a father" or was responsible for any children, Haleigh's dob is 8/17/2003:

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Date # Docket Description
2004-11-16 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO EDGAR (ARREST 11/12/04)
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF CANNABIS IN EXCESS OF 20 GRAMS
2004-11-16 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA 2004-11-16 1 MAINTAINING A DRUG VEHICLE 2004-11-16 3 TRAFFIC CITATION - #7877-DBJ 2
2004-11-16 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

As for Crystal's increased urgency based upon new reports, those concerns are well-founded. The notion it is somehow "disingenuous" because she was unsuccessful in convincing authorities of risks in the past so should be prevented or prohibited from further pursuing now in light of new and corroborating accounts is ludicrous. From all indications, she has long had concerns about a number of issues re her children's father and reported those concerns but unfortunately they went unheeded. JMO

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So there is no history of domestic violence?
 
  • #227
I will again respond, and hopefully it won't be deleted this time.:angel:

Crystal is taking on the responsibility as a mother to report what she has heard. I agree. She is basing hearsay to form accusations to turn over to DCF with out evidence to prove the statements of these "other people". If she had or has documented evidence in her possession to indicate this abuse she would not need the statements of others to have the abuse investigated. She has admitted to concerns in November. She also admitted she took pictures at the urging of step mom, who is employed as a nurse with a pediatricians office. I would feel this is important, because this family member has a legal obligation to report abuse based on her profession.
Abuse being indicated by dirty laundry is definitely absurd. I have read about Haleigh's medical condition and have to state It is advisable to keep in mind the height issues with this condition. Haleigh's bed being on the floor in the master bed can not be considered abuse but the opposite. Haleigh is scared of the dark, daddy is not in the home in the evenings. It shows these two do care about Haleigh's feels and want her to feel safe. I did see her bed frame in her own room.
The term investigated.... it seems they checked out these allegations in the past and found no abuse. They would of stated they had an open case or a on going investigation IMOO.
My opinion is it has been brought to the attention of everyone now and it will be determined if true or not. In the mean time I hope we all can focus on bringing Haleigh home.

Do you think that Haleigh and Jr's beds being in the master bedroom where the Father cohabits illegally with his underage lover is NOT abuse? Do you think that RC exposing the children (through Misty or not) to RSO's regularly is NOT abuse? Do you think that exposing those children to known drug offenders and current drug dealers is NOT abuse? The child remaining in the home being supervised by the person who was responsible for Haleigh when she goes missing and LE states she is the key to the case...and he marries her...these things are of no concern?? When is the right time to protect a child????
 
  • #228
i think what bothers me about this is the drug charges .. if you want to be a good responsible parent you dont raise your kids in an atmosphere like that .. you dont do things that could get them taken away from you
unless your thinking more of yourself and not your children

what if haleigh got into some drugs that were lying around and died as a result .. mabey this is what happened ..and this is why the deception on mistys part?
ron was at work yes but he leads a very questionable life you just dont wanna raise your kids around that or those kind of people (druggies and such ) that could be why they got married and why he hasnt left her because if it were me i just dont think i could look at the very person every day for the rest of my life that was irresponsible enough to lose my child or have people around that would take her . i dont think ron loves misty more than his children

so i think he married her for a reason and i think he knows what happened ..or at least her version which could ultimately get him in trouble bigtime if it was drug related
 
  • #229
Do you think that Haleigh and Jr's beds being in the master bedroom where the Father cohabits illegally with his underage lover is NOT abuse? Do you think that RC exposing the children (through Misty or not) to RSO's regularly is NOT abuse? Do you think that exposing those children to known drug offenders and current drug dealers is NOT abuse? The child remaining in the home being supervised by the person who was responsible for Haleigh when she goes missing and LE states she is the key to the case...and he marries her...these things are of no concern?? When is the right time to protect a child????
i have to agree with this bigtime .
 
  • #230
Do you think that Haleigh and Jr's beds being in the master bedroom where the Father cohabits illegally with his underage lover is NOT abuse? Do you think that RC exposing the children (through Misty or not) to RSO's regularly is NOT abuse? Do you think that exposing those children to known drug offenders and current drug dealers is NOT abuse? The child remaining in the home being supervised by the person who was responsible for Haleigh when she goes missing and LE states she is the key to the case...and he marries her...these things are of no concern?? When is the right time to protect a child????

I feel that at this time the aligations will be addressed by those that have all the facts. WE don't. It is really not about what we feel is right or wrong but what the evidence proves. Is there evidence within this crime (abduction) that indicates abuse is the cause for Haleighs disaperance?
 
  • #231
And again, for the life of me--and for the safety of ANY children--I just can't figure out why in heaven's name anyone here would not rather err on the side of caution and have the claims of abuse thoroughly investigated. The number one priority should be their welfare, and under these circumstances--of not only more witnesses to abuse but a missing child--it is only rightful that any reports be checked into. Any child deserves that much. Abuse which was previously reported, yet lacked sufficient corroboration or necessary cooperation by witnesses and therefore could not be substantiated at that time, would be a mighty POOR EXCUSE to go on ignoring them and fail those same children again by not following up now, wouldn't it? JMO

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  • #232
And again, for the life of me--and for the safety of ANY children--I just can't figure out why in heaven's name anyone here would not rather err on the side of caution and have the claims of abuse thoroughly investigated. The number one priority should be their welfare, and under these circumstances--of not only more witnesses to abuse but a missing child--it is only rightful that any reports be checked into. Any child deserves that much. Abuse which was previously reported, yet lacked sufficient corroboration or necessary cooperation by witnesses and therefore could not be substantiated at that time, would be a mighty POOR EXCUSE to go on ignoring them and fail those same children again by not following up now, wouldn't it? JMO

:parrot:

I do agree with your opinion. But there are other issues in regards to these allegations that I just can't seem to ignore and or stand behind. I will be patient on this touchy subject and wait and see if these allegations are pursued by the appropriate authorities.
 
  • #233
I just want to throw a question out to all posters. When is the right or wrong time to ensure a child is not being abused???? I do NOT care if it makes Ron or anyone else uncomfortable about the timing. It is what it is. There are allegations on the table that need investigating to protect Jr and Haleigh should she return. NOW is the time to investigate. If the charges are unfounded, what does RC have to fear??? Let the child be interviewed by forensic experts. Let the witnesses speak as to what they have seen occur, let the evidence be brought the court and let the best interests of the child be what we are concerned with. To h** with someone's discomfort. The child comes first. That is abuse of his own children. They are privy to this sleeping in the same room. It is RC's fault that he and his companion have associated with a RSO and brought his children into that enviornment. It IS Rc's fault that he associates with known drug offenders and brings them into his child's enviornment. So my question is...Who would like to send their children to visit RC and Misty for a few weeks?


When has it been confirmed that Ron or his childrten have associated with a registered sex offender? So far ive only seen that as a rumour posted by a relative of Crystal. I wasnt aware it was actually fact?
 
  • #234
I will again respond, and hopefully it won't be deleted this time.:angel:

Crystal is taking on the responsibility as a mother to report what she has heard. I agree. She is basing hearsay to form accusations to turn over to DCF with out evidence to prove the statements of these "other people". If she had or has documented evidence in her possession to indicate this abuse she would not need the statements of others to have the abuse investigated. She has admitted to concerns in November. She also admitted she took pictures at the urging of step mom, who is employed as a nurse with a pediatricians office. I would feel this is important, because this family member has a legal obligation to report abuse based on her profession.
Abuse being indicated by dirty laundry is definitely absurd. I have read about Haleigh's medical condition and have to state It is advisable to keep in mind the height issues with this condition. Haleigh's bed being on the floor in the master bed can not be considered abuse but the opposite. Haleigh is scared of the dark, daddy is not in the home in the evenings. It shows these two do care about Haleigh's feels and want her to feel safe. I did see her bed frame in her own room.
The term investigated.... it seems they checked out these allegations in the past and found no abuse. They would of stated they had an open case or a on going investigation IMOO.
My opinion is it has been brought to the attention of everyone now and it will be determined if true or not. In the mean time I hope we all can focus on bringing Haleigh home.

It isn't up to Crystal to prove or disprove what she's been told. It is up to DFS.
 
  • #235
Do you think that Haleigh and Jr's beds being in the master bedroom where the Father cohabits illegally with his underage lover is NOT abuse? Do you think that RC exposing the children (through Misty or not) to RSO's regularly is NOT abuse? Do you think that exposing those children to known drug offenders and current drug dealers is NOT abuse? The child remaining in the home being supervised by the person who was responsible for Haleigh when she goes missing and LE states she is the key to the case...and he marries her...these things are of no concern?? When is the right time to protect a child????

Very well said.
 
  • #236
I feel that at this time the aligations will be addressed by those that have all the facts. WE don't. It is really not about what we feel is right or wrong but what the evidence proves. Is there evidence within this crime (abduction) that indicates abuse is the cause for Haleighs disaperance?

It is associating with known drug offenders and RSO's and perhaps the prospensity to involve himself with underage girls that may very well have placed those children in danger. In my mind you place your child in danger when associating with these types of offenders. Where Haleigh lives when she returns and where JR lives now should be a concern for every person with a heart. Finding Haleigh may well rest within RC's associations so fair game in my book.
 
  • #237
When has it been confirmed that Ron or his childrten have associated with a registered sex offender? So far ive only seen that as a rumour posted by a relative of Crystal. I wasnt aware it was actually fact?

ANY allegation of a parent exposing his or her child to a RSO should be well and truly investigated. What is there for RC to fear if all these allegations are false?
 
  • #238
It is associating with known drug offenders and RSO's and perhaps the prospensity to involve himself with underage girls that may very well have placed those children in danger. In my mind you place your child in danger when associating with these types of offenders. Where Haleigh lives when she returns and where JR lives now should be a concern for every person with a heart. Finding Haleigh may well rest within RC's associations so fair game in my book.
Then Crystal should not regain custody either as her fiance/step-brother, mother, father, etc. also have concerns involving drugs, animal fighting, Assault w/deadly weapons, battery, and other things which have also come up during this investigation. There is a photo of Crystal in an apartment on her 23rd birthday which states she is drunk (child is seen in the photo) and the apartment is adorned with pot references and fake plants.

I would have to say the safest place for the children would be with TN who has no drug charges, assault charges, or anything remotely like those on both sides of the family.
 
  • #239
It isn't up to Crystal to prove or disprove what she's been told. It is up to DFS.
That's pretty darned convenient for her, don't you think?

If I understand this position correctly then she can say whatever she wants to, in any venue she chooses to. She can do this with complete disregard to facts, substantiation, or any collateral damage done whether present or future. She can choose to publicly repeat rumor, innuendo, third party opinion, or even make things up out of whole cloth...

... and the DCFS is responsible for whatever happens.

No wonder that outfit has such a bad rep.
 
  • #240
ANY allegation of a parent exposing his or her child to a RSO should be well and truly investigated. What is there for RC to fear if all these allegations are false?
I think that much the same sort of logic was espoused during the Salem witch trials, and the proceedings of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee
 
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