Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #5

[Whisperer]

Haleigh was definitely harmed....
If they get away with it, is yet to be determined.

 

[Flossie JMO]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...9a6209a152994&maven_referralObject=1030087112

This is the video where Marie states that Crystal called her at 5 am. She then immediately called her supervisor who called her back within 5 minutes with a replacement bus driver.

Thanks so much for the link.

 

[texasmommy39]

I am calling it a night yall.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Where do you get your info that Crystal got there after the police report? What is mid-morning. I thought mid-morning is about 9:30 am.

An incident report is based on what is happening at the scene of the crime.

Why this subject of CS and her arrival time keeps eating away at some is perplexing.

Would you be able to drive yourself and an infant, under the pressure that your other child could be dead? Very high expectations. Didn't she have other children in the home also? Getting an infant and arranging child care for the other children is not done in a minute. The report says she was there and apparently interviewed. At the time, they didn't care about where she worked.

Place some of your questions on how in the world TN got into the crime scene and arrived in minutes dressed, interviewed and orgainized with pic in hand because SHE knew her grandchild was gone. Here is where suspicion lies.....good grief!

Crystal got there later than you like. TN got there much earlier than possible if she wasn't called till after the 911 call. It is highly likely and very suspicious that she was there by 3:49 and had already been interviewed and is now calling CS.

You might considering analyzing TN's time line instead...at least we have actual time to compare notes.

I get the information from the police report. It specified that Teresa arrived on the scene, but not Crystal at any time during the 6 hours. The information was filled out on Crystal, but was totally incorrect. The officer did get some information about Crystal from TN which was stated about her being the mother, location, and discussed no problem with the custody at the time.

WHERE in the police report does it say she arrived and was interviewed?!

I would have called my mom immediately and told my bf to get up to either watch my child/children or to get me to the scene A.S.A.P. if I was unable to drive (which I would not have given a second thought to and driven myself like a bat square out of hell). I would have been out the door in less than ten minutes. NOTHING could have prevented me from getting there in record time. NOTHING.

It has been explained where Teresa was and how long it took her to arrive. There is absolutely nothing suspicious about it. LE didn't appear to believe it was odd in any way or it would have been mentioned on the police report the exact time of her arrival. He said he had already spoken to Ronald and Misty when she arrived. It was not suspicious nor was it "too early or impossible". That is simply not true.

 

[mysticrose]

Here is a good link about Crystal..

http://www.***********.blogspot.com/2009/02/crystal-sheffield-on-geraldo-rivera.html

 

[Flossie JMO]

the link doesn't work mystic, and the stars mean we aren't allowed to post links to whatever spot it is

 

[nomoresorrow]

How do times not compute? She was called around 3:28-3:30 - she lives about 12-15 minutes away driving at a normal speed. She arrives between 3:41 and 3:49 - so arrival time (speeding of course) is between 11 - 18 minutes. I don't understand how this does not compute. I think LE would have TN call Crystal right away before they sat down for an interview. In the narrative it states she told them who Haleighs mom was, that RC had custody, and there was no custody dispute - that conversation would take a minute maybe.

The time computing isn't the issue for me - I simply find it rather odd that Ronald called his mother that early on. He gets home at 3:27 am and is immediately met by Misty who informs him that Haleigh is missing/backdoor wide open . . .and he immediately calls his mother!? I could better understand him calling her - BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE - if he thought that his mother had possibly stopped over while Misty was asleep and might have taken Haleigh home to spend the night with her at her home but that has never been stated or claimed - obviously had that been the case TN's would certainly have left a visible note somewhere. I realize that everybody reacts differently upon learning that their child is missing but I still recall, nearly 24 years later, when I awoke very early one morning to find my son missing from his bed - After running around the house while calling out his name louder and louder as each room turned up nothing, I ran out the front door, still in my nightgown, yelling out his name. When I couldn't find him anywhere in the yard (in his sandbox, on the swingset or on one of his riding toys . . .) I ran down the road that we lived on still calling (more like screaming) out his name - Thank god I didn't have to run far when I saw a police officer walking toward me holding my son in his arms. (Sorry to those who have heard this story before) He had pushed a chair up to the front door and unlocked the deadbolt that we had installed high enough (so we thought) that a child couldn't reach it.
Based upon my own experience my first & natural reaction was to search throughout my home -every room, every closet, behind the couch, a chair . . . all while yelling out my son's name, then I moved to the outside perimeter and then to the street and down the road . . . IMO all of this occurs BEFORE your thoughts ever turn to, "OMG, somebody took my child!" and you start calling in family members . . .



We're all entitled to our opinions - opinions are just that, opinions. MOO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone here tonight believe if this was a family member or friend they would Harm HaLeigh to get away with this crime?

Yes. I think they would.

 

[mysticrose]

the link doesn't work mystic, and the stars mean we aren't allowed to post links to whatever spot it is

Sorry...lol. I left the computer to cook and did not notice it had the stars. I wonder why that one is blocked...interesting.
It was ********** take on the interview that Crystal did with Geraldo.

I havent seen that one before just one's with Ron and Misty...

 

[lonetraveler]

Boy I get so perplexed by all the bashing of both sides of Haleighs family..(sigh).
Did anyone stop and think that perhaps Crystal may have been on the phone with LE and perhaps other people of the nature and that helped cause a delay in her getting there?
We do not know what went on and to sit here and say that you would be out the door 5 mins after the call is well..how would you know? Really ! Especially if you have other children you are trying to find care for and so forth, would you drag them down there with you to all the drama or try and find a sitter?
Perhaps she did think it was a prank at first, why is that so hard to believe? None of us here have dated or had children with Ron ! Apparently she did not trust them enough to even question a situation like this..!
I do not know what happened and I am sure not making any excuse for anyone, but to sit here and say she is a horrible mom so forth and so on when we dont know and only can assume is getting old, just as it is old to bash Ron and his family.

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I'm willing to bet that Crystal knows Ron better than anyone else in the entire world, including his mama. There are most likely so many reasons that Crystal was hoping that this was just one more BS prank or controlling move the Ron was making just to pull her strings. I have not seen a single believable excuse or explanation on this thread or anyother thread to make me believe that Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Believe me, I've goggled everything on this subject and took the time to read every single one of them and I have come to the conclusion that I have not seen anything to justify why Crystal would ever even contemplate harming Haleigh. If anyone has anything to offer to "help" guide me to change my mind, please feel free to "help" me see the way.

 

[Skully]

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I'm willing to bet that Crystal knows Ron better than anyone else in the entire world, including his mama. There are most likely so many reasons that Crystal was hoping that this was just one more BS prank or controlling move the Ron was making just to pull her strings. I have not seen a single believable excuse or explanation on this thread or anyother thread to make me believe that Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Believe me, I've goggled everything on this subject and took the time to read every single one of them and I have come to the conclusion that I have not seen anything to justify why Crystal would ever even contemplate harming Haleigh. If anyone has anything to offer to "help" guide me to change my mind, please feel free to "help" me see the way.

I agree 100% with you that Crystal would not do this, or hurt any of her children. But in all fairness, I don't see Ron giving her away, or getting Misty to cover up if he hurt her and she died later. I don't think he could "talk" her thought it. I could see him mad, and maybe spanking the kids, but not out right killing one of them as others seem to think. I also don't see TN or the GGM letting her die, or covering up an accident. These people loved this little girl. They may not have made the same decisions we may have made, but I truly think they loved her. With that said, I do think some one loved her so much, they would take her out of a situation that they thought to be bad. Now if this person did this, without the consent or knowledge of the parents or Grandparents thinking "well Crystal will get custody now", and she didn't, how do they bring her back? Or was that never the plan?

 

[Flossie JMO]

Interesting post Bern, my mind is working in a sort of similar way

 

[debs]

How do times not compute? She was called around 3:28-3:30 - she lives about 12-15 minutes away driving at a normal speed. She arrives between 3:41 and 3:49 - so arrival time (speeding of course) is between 11 - 18 minutes. I don't understand how this does not compute. I think LE would have TN call Crystal right away before they sat down for an interview. In the narrative it states she told them who Haleighs mom was, that RC had custody, and there was no custody dispute - that conversation would take a minute maybe.

Well, I find it curious that though everyone insists that TN lives on Rita Lane, her address is listed in Lady Lake.....more than 2 hours away. Perhaps it's a summer home, that Rita Lane addy.

In the two hours it could take to get from Baker County to Ron's mobile home, They'd already done a search, started knocking on doors of neighbors, blocked the entrance to the Park in AND out, limiting access to the scene almost completely. Seems likely that Crystal, arriving at the Buffalo Bluffs entrance, stating she was the mom of the missing child, was pulled aside and was put to the rigors of initial interviews by an available officer. That officer would likely have called the one at the MH and said (THEORETICAL HAPPENING HERE) "Hey Bob (fictitious name), I have a woman here who claims to be the mother of the missing child. I'm gonna keep 'er down here and start the questioning. Just giving you a heads up." "OKAY, thanks!" says Bob, who makes a notation on his own sheet of who's who. Then he asks around to the people he already has to deal with for whatever information they can give him on Crystal. Seems so simple. Whatever wrong information written on THIS officer's report has no bearing on the report of the officer in charge of questioning Crystal.

 

[debs]

Well...all I can say is if she did indeed arrive within that six hours and her name was added to the report as you suggest then it would mean she lied about her age, her birthdate, and her employment status to the officer she encountered. Frankly, this is more disturbing to me than her not being there.

OR.......she was stopped at the entrance on Buffalo Bluffs, and the officer which began questioning her there could have called out to the officer at the MH to tell him he had the mom there and would question her. You have absolutely no knowledge of when she arrived and when she was questioned, nor do you have any proof that she arrived within the continued time frame you wish to promote. Her name is on the report YOU hold up as gospel. Therefore, it is JUST as likely that, having heard from a fellow officer that the mother had arrived, just to get his ducks in a row, THIS officer asked questions of the people HE was charged with talking to and got erroneous information.

END OF STORY. Without information, it is embarrassing to have to continue to point out that there is NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE WHICH STATES CONCLUSIVELY WHEN CRYSTAL ARRIVED.

 

[kamky]

I agree 100% with you that Crystal would not do this, or hurt any of her children. But in all fairness, I don't see Ron giving her away, or getting Misty to cover up if he hurt her and she died later. I don't think he could "talk" her thought it. I could see him mad, and maybe spanking the kids, but not out right killing one of them as others seem to think. I also don't see TN or the GGM letting her die, or covering up an accident. These people loved this little girl. They may not have made the same decisions we may have made, but I truly think they loved her. With that said, I do think some one loved her so much, they would take her out of a situation that they thought to be bad. Now if this person did this, without the consent or knowledge of the parents or Grandparents thinking "well Crystal will get custody now", and she didn't, how do they bring her back? Or was that never the plan?

The plan may very likely have changed as time went on:

- If this person thought that Crystal would be the better parent and initially expected that this would help her gain custody, then now that Ron has retained custody, they could leave her in a safe place to be found. This assumes that they hid her in a place she couldn't accurately describe and with someone else so she can't identify the individual behind the plan.
- If this person didn't think either Crystal or Ron is an adequate parent, then they may decide that she is in a better situation with whoever is currently watching her - and not return her.
- If they didn't take precautions to make themselves unknown to Haleigh, then I don't think they have any choice but to keep her hidden - and not return her.

I hope she suddenly appears, or that LE manages to determine her location and find her, or that there is a slip-up and someone spots her. I think this is exactly why LE has remained so frustratingly silent on this whole situation. I think whoever is behind this is in a real awkward situation and is not going to say, "Oh well" and just send her back. But, time is really on the side of Haleigh being seen somewhere eventually and located.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree 100% with you that Crystal would not do this, or hurt any of her children. But in all fairness, I don't see Ron giving her away, or getting Misty to cover up if he hurt her and she died later. I don't think he could "talk" her thought it. I could see him mad, and maybe spanking the kids, but not out right killing one of them as others seem to think. I also don't see TN or the GGM letting her die, or covering up an accident. These people loved this little girl. They may not have made the same decisions we may have made, but I truly think they loved her. With that said, I do think some one loved her so much, they would take her out of a situation that they thought to be bad. Now if this person did this, without the consent or knowledge of the parents or Grandparents thinking "well Crystal will get custody now", and she didn't, how do they bring her back? Or was that never the plan?

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That is an excellent question about how do they bring her back? I have often wondered if someone, whoever took Haleigh, underestimated the publicity that this case would bring. I would imagine it would be a shock to that someone that the entire country would be viewing this case on national tv and web sites would be discussing it 24/7. I hope if this mystery is ever solved, Haleigh did not have to pay for someone's ignorance.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree 100% with you that Crystal would not do this, or hurt any of her children. But in all fairness, I don't see Ron giving her away, or getting Misty to cover up if he hurt her and she died later. I don't think he could "talk" her thought it. I could see him mad, and maybe spanking the kids, but not out right killing one of them as others seem to think. I also don't see TN or the GGM letting her die, or covering up an accident. These people loved this little girl. They may not have made the same decisions we may have made, but I truly think they loved her. With that said, I do think some one loved her so much, they would take her out of a situation that they thought to be bad. Now if this person did this, without the consent or knowledge of the parents or Grandparents thinking "well Crystal will get custody now", and she didn't, how do they bring her back? Or was that never the plan?

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Except for Crystal knowing Ron better than anyone else, I did not state that I thought Ron was responsible. I'm slowly going through anything I can find on this case that is fact and not assumptions nor rumors. I just wish someone would step up and tell me the secret that nails Crystal to the wall so that I can get the whole story. So far, I have not seen any explanations that point to Crystal's involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. I see plenty where she is guilty of not getting to the MH in a timely enough fashion, guilty of not ardently fighting for custody of the children, then she is guilty of fighting for custody of her children, guilty of having seizures, and other guilts that are covered by thousands of posts. I want to know what evidence there is to suspect this woman. That is all I'm asking for. I would like to examine anyone who could be suspected of this crime.........that includes grandparents of each parent, girlfriends and boyfriends or if some prefer, bride and groom to be, cousins, brothers, sisters, anybody...........any information that could piece together a motive.........

 

[lonetraveler]

The plan may very likely have changed as time went on:

- If this person thought that Crystal would be the better parent and initially expected that this would help her gain custody, then now that Ron has retained custody, they could leave her in a safe place to be found. This assumes that they hid her in a place she couldn't accurately describe and with someone else so she can't identify the individual behind the plan.
- If this person didn't think either Crystal or Ron is an adequate parent, then they may decide that she is in a better situation with whoever is currently watching her - and not return her.
- If they didn't take precautions to make themselves unknown to Haleigh, then I don't think they have any choice but to keep her hidden - and not return her.

I hope she suddenly appears, or that LE manages to determine her location and find her, or that there is a slip-up and someone spots her. I think this is exactly why LE has remained so frustratingly silent on this whole situation. I think whoever is behind this is in a real awkward situation and is not going to say, "Oh well" and just send her back. But, time is really on the side of Haleigh being seen somewhere eventually and located.

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I certainly hope so.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I don't know if I have seen people say they think Crystal is behind HaLeigh being taken. If you read the theory threads there are all kinds of posts on theories, ideas on motives etc that you may find helpful or interesting.

 

[mommyofthreekidz5]

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Despite whether we all agree or not, SHE is the reason we are here. We've gone through months of this back and forth stuff and it does no good except cause drama. Its not fair to this beautiful little girl. IMO .