Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #6

[Tom'sGirl]

Good to hear that tom's girl...isn't it a fact then that it is not an investigative report that it is a synopsis of what happened at the scene of the crime?

I only answered the question you asked originally, I'm not going for the second

 

[atherella]

I keep reading comments about " Crystal not getting out of bed ". 1st where is that coming from ? and 2nd did anyone ever to stop and think maybe just maybe she was depressed and not lazy ? Alot of women get depressed after having children. Perhaps it is one of the reasons for missing appointments, if she did not have a car and had to arrange for rides to get Haleigh to and fro how do we know if the person that was giving her a ride didnt flake out or have something come up...sheesh. If Ron was so above it all why did he not help her get her license so she could take Haleigh ? Or take the time off work himself to make sure Haleigh got there to help Crystal ? If he was so concerned...as he states to the court ?
If he knew the court date fell on the same day as Jr. appointment he should have changed it ! He was the one with control of the children at that time not Crystal, JR may have been visiting at the time but Ron should have changed that appointment for that boy because that was his job since he took it upon himself to take on these children period. Crystal was living 100 mile's away. If he gave half a carp as you all are claiming Ron would have made sure those appointments for those children were made when they would be in his care given the distance of Crystal so that Haleigh and Jr got their care. He made it that way. I am sure Ron can pick up a calender and determine when Crystal's visits occurred, and the doc's office can work around schedules especially if given more then 2 weeks notice, I know because I have a child with special needs !

There were, IIRC, 12 missed doctor's appointments when the children were in Crystal's care. Crystal stated under oath that "sometimes she just didn't want to get out of bed" - that was her excuse for not bringing HaLeigh to the doctor. We know that Ron's grandmother had offered her rides - Crystal testified to that fact. Crystal also has her own family in Putnam County. I find it hard to believe she could not arrange a ride if she did not want to ride with GGMS. Ron was the sole provider for the family while he lived with Crystal, as she stayed home. Why should he need to "take off from work" to take the kids to the doctor? When you are a stay at home mother - your job is to be a parent. You'd think that getting out of bed to take your children to the doctor - especially one which a chronic condition would be important. It also makes one wonder how often Crystal was in bed while the children were awake in the house.

As for the doctor appointment on the day of Court - it was not just a "check-up", IIRC, it was a cardiologist appointment that was scheduled far in advance. We do not know if this appointment was scheduled while they were still together, or even if Crystal herself scheduled the appointment. I realize it's easy to blame Ron for everything, but we just don't know. If you read the actual testimony, Ron offered to take Junior to the doctor appointment himself, but Crystal kept Junior with her. At this point in time, Crystal DID have a license. Junior's appointment was several hours prior to the time of the hearing, but Crystal chose not to bring Junior. She also chose not to cancel the appointment. She didn't DO anything. Just skipped it.

Perhaps we should have all the facts before placing blame for Junior's doctor's appointment scheduling.

 

[mysticrose]

You have to realize that this appointment was probably made before December 5th when custody was awarded to RC. So at the time he had no clue when Crystal would have the children and when she would not. RC offered to take JR to the appointment if Crystal brought JR back the night before or early that morning, she chose not to - he wasn't making her responsible for taking the child to the Dr, but he had to have JR in order to get him to the Dr. Also need to realize the December 27th court date was not set until at least December 12th. The not getting out of bed is based on statements Crystal herself made during the custody hearing that was one of the excuses she used for Haleigh missing 12 drs appointments over a period of time.

Once RC received custody there has been no mention in court documents of the children missing Drs appointments, so it appears that RC does what is necessary to get the children to their appointments.

Yes except get them to school...

I would have to say the court date was prob. set earlier then that if they are anything like the courts here, usally a month out or longer .

The otherthing didnt Ron take those kids, not return them and had them about six weeks prior to the court date ?

 

[atherella]

Yes except get them to school...

I would have to say the court date was prob. set earlier then that if they are anything like the courts here, usally a month out or longer .

The otherthing didnt Ron take those kids, not return them and had them about six weeks prior to the court date ?

BBM

The court date was set on 12/13

2005-12-13 025. NOTICE OF HEARING - 12-27-05 @ 10:30 RMP - PETITIONERS

2005-12-13 .MOTION TO DETERMINE PATERNITY AND RELATED RELIEF

 

[harleysnana]

I am sure RC had a cell phone and could reach her and knew exactly where she lived. If he didn't, how did he find her boyfriend?

If he wanted her to appear, he would have her mother's address given to the court. This was a set up so he could get the kids by default, IMO.

I'm sorry but a judge is not going to give custody to one party due to default!
And if Crystal showed up to any of the court dates it isn’t default!

IMO there were other reasons Ron got custody and there is a reason that
he still has custody!

I wonder why Crystal hasn't gone for custody of JR.... I mean... if I wanted
custody of my kids so bad I would file for it under the circumstances!

 

[Busylady]

The first court date was December 5th, Crystal did not appear at that court date. RC was awarded custody at that time. Crystal filed a motion for a rehearing on December 12th, 2005 at that time notice was mailed to both parties that a new hearing would take place December 27th, 2005.

Crystal gave the kids to RC in August, in September RC filed for custody.

It might make it easier for you to understand the chain of events if you have time to read the court papers. It makes it much more clear on the timing etc.

Yes except get them to school...

I would have to say the court date was prob. set earlier then that if they are anything like the courts here, usally a month out or longer .

The otherthing didnt Ron take those kids, not return them and had them about six weeks prior to the court date ?

 

[Flossie JMO]

Yes except get them to school...

I would have to say the court date was prob. set earlier then that if they are anything like the courts here, usally a month out or longer .

The otherthing didnt Ron take those kids, not return them and had them about six weeks prior to the court date ?

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He took the children with bio mom's agreement, and they were not returned iirc as she did not have contact with them and was struggling with an addiction to cocaine.

 

[VolLady]

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He took the children with bio mom's agreement, and they were not returned iirc as she did not have contact with them and was struggling with an addiction to cocaine.

If anyone researched the man who was subpoenaed at Walmart, they will see that he and Crystal were living together around that time. He is not someone that I would want my kids around and after seeing that, I don't blame Ron for going to court to get custody.

In one of this man's court cases, Marie signed for papers that were delivered to him at Crystal's current Mudlake Rd address. He lived in Jacksonville before they moved to Mudlake Rd so that may be the address that Crystal first received papers at and then they moved to Mudlake Rd.

 

[cajun]

If anyone researched the man who was subpoenaed at Walmart, they will see that he and Crystal were living together around that time. He is not someone that I would want my kids around and after seeing that, I don't blame Ron for going to court to get custody.

In one of this man's court cases, Marie signed for papers that were delivered to him at Crystal's current Mudlake Rd address. He lived in Jacksonville before they moved to Mudlake Rd so that may be the address that Crystal first received papers at and then they moved to Mudlake Rd.

You're right, he is not someone I would let my kids be around either.

 

[mysticrose]

There were, IIRC, 12 missed doctor's appointments when the children were in Crystal's care. Crystal stated under oath that "sometimes she just didn't want to get out of bed" - that was her excuse for not bringing HaLeigh to the doctor. We know that Ron's grandmother had offered her rides - Crystal testified to that fact. Crystal also has her own family in Putnam County. I find it hard to believe she could not arrange a ride if she did not want to ride with GGMS. Ron was the sole provider for the family while he lived with Crystal, as she stayed home. Why should he need to "take off from work" to take the kids to the doctor? When you are a stay at home mother - your job is to be a parent. You'd think that getting out of bed to take your children to the doctor - especially one which a chronic condition would be important. It also makes one wonder how often Crystal was in bed while the children were awake in the house.

As for the doctor appointment on the day of Court - it was not just a "check-up", IIRC, it was a cardiologist appointment that was scheduled far in advance. We do not know if this appointment was scheduled while they were still together, or even if Crystal herself scheduled the appointment. I realize it's easy to blame Ron for everything, but we just don't know. If you read the actual testimony, Ron offered to take Junior to the doctor appointment himself, but Crystal kept Junior with her. At this point in time, Crystal DID have a license. Junior's appointment was several hours prior to the time of the hearing, but Crystal chose not to bring Junior. She also chose not to cancel the appointment. She didn't DO anything. Just skipped it.

Perhaps we should have all the facts before placing blame for Junior's doctor's appointment scheduling.

Ok I really have a hard time posting anymore..

BBM..
Ron was the sole provider who lived with his mother or Crystals parents while they where together..hmmm Why should he take off work to take the kids? Well that's an easy one, because they needed to get there and apparently Crystal wasn't getting the job done, he is a parent here as well and if he care's ..you get my point

You would think it was important as well to get out of bed but as I said before was she depressed ? Did anyone in Ron's family or Ron for that matter try to help her so you would get out of bed or did they just talk behind her back. Apparently there is something wrong here when she doesnt get out of bed!

You are right we do not know when the appointment for JR was scheduled but Ron did, and when the court set up that time and day for that hearing he could have had it changed then or called the Judges clerk to change the hearing date if it was that important to him as he states !

And last but not least..Several hours before the hearing...lol. Oh boy just hope that the doctor isn't delayed or you won't make your court date..
As well as that, isn't this the court date that Crystal did not recieve notice to, went to the wrong address?
I do read these documents it has just been awhile since I have reread them. I have been on other threads and cases posting and I need a refresh.
I am so frustrated with all the back and forth side taking it makes it really hard for me to even read here anymore.
My post above may look like I am taking Crystal's side I am Not on anyone's side except for Haleigh.
I am trying to make a few points to show that Ron could have taken a little more responsibility from the get go and he decided not to but yet it is put on Crystal, I don't get it...

 

[mysticrose]

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He took the children with bio mom's agreement, and they were not returned iirc as she did not have contact with them and was struggling with an addiction to cocaine.

Are we joking here..is this the word of Ron we are speaking here. If I remember correctly Crystal stated she tried to call and could not get through to the kids. He took those kids and did not return them that is how he got custody plain and simple. JMO....

 

[VolLady]

Are we joking here..is this the word of Ron we are speaking here. If I remember correctly Crystal stated she tried to call and could not get through to the kids. He took those kids and did not return them that is how he got custody plain and simple. JMO....

Research who she was with at the time and you might see why he didn't want them there.

Ron & Crystal lived at a different address when they were together and she missed the appointments (some of them were rescheduled appointments) and there is no mention that it was with Teresa. Either way, the stay at home parent needs to handle those things. An hourly worker loses their wages when they aren't there. Do you realize how many relatives Crystal has in Putnam County? She had many options to get to the doctor appointments.

 

[Busylady]

No Mystic it was not the same court date that Crystal did not receive notice on. Crystal did not receive the notice for the December 5th court hearing. The December 27th court hearing is one that Crystal requested.

Yes it would of been a risk that the drs office would be behind, but it was a risk RC was willing to take himself if Crystal would of allowed him to take JR to the Dr.

Your right RC could of taken off work, loss of income, and risk losing his job to take the children to Drs appointments because Crystal was not doing it.

Ok I really have a hard time posting anymore..

BBM..
Ron was the sole provider who lived with his mother or Crystals parents while they where together..hmmm Why should he take off work to take the kids? Well that's an easy one, because they needed to get there and apparently Crystal wasn't getting the job done, he is a parent here as well and if he care's ..you get my point

You would think it was important as well to get out of bed but as I said before was she depressed ? Did anyone in Ron's family or Ron for that matter try to help her so you would get out of bed or did they just talk behind her back. Apparently there is something wrong here when she doesnt get out of bed!

You are right we do not know when the appointment for JR was scheduled but Ron did, and when the court set up that time and day for that hearing he could have had it changed then or called the Judges clerk to change the hearing date if it was that important to him as he states !

And last but not least..Several hours before the hearing...lol. Oh boy just hope that the doctor isn't delayed or you won't make your court date..
As well as that, isn't this the court date that Crystal did not recieve notice to, went to the wrong address?
I do read these documents it has just been awhile since I have reread them. I have been on other threads and cases posting and I need a refresh.
I am so frustrated with all the back and forth side taking it makes it really hard for me to even read here anymore.
My post above may look like I am taking Crystal's side I am Not on anyone's side except for Haleigh.
I am trying to make a few points to show that Ron could have taken a little more responsibility from the get go and he decided not to but yet it is put on Crystal, I don't get it...

 

[Kreeblim]

Sometimes it is a vacuum in here. How many of you are familiar with incident reports...ever write one?

Oddly, I gave information to an officer who was creating an incident report in regaurds to a child I am not the parent of and did not have custody of at the time (though I do now).

The very first questions were about the biological parents, where they were, what their names were, how they could be contacted, and other background info. This information is on the report even though one of them was never there to talk to the officer.

I have also given information about a 3rd party during an accident involving a car that lost it's breaks damaging part of my landlord's property. Since I did not own the home, they needed the contact info of the owner for the report and so they could get the driver in contact with that person for insurance reasons. His information is also in the report, completely supplied by me, a third party, as he lived almost 2 hours from the home I was renting.

In a situation like this, the police would be negligent NOT to get as much info as they could from Ron about his child's mother.

 

[harleysnana]

I am trying to make a few points to show that Ron could have taken a little more responsibility from the get go and he decided not to but yet it is put on Crystal, I don't get it...

I'm sorry I don't get this part?
If Ron was working and Crystal was home do you think it’s his responsibility
to wake Crystal so she could keep the doctor appointments?

I'm sorry... her not getting out of bed to take Haleigh to the doctors
is NOT Ron's fault!

She either wanted to be a mom or not... IMO she did not!
If you so depressed that you can’t even get out of bed then IMO you should
not have custody of your children!

I'm glad that he was awarded custody because someone had to feed,
clothe and care for the kids!

Let’s assume his mom helped him… I see nothing wrong with that and I would
see nothing wrong with Crystal’s family helping her do her share!

Truth is Crystal and her family sat by and let Ron and his family support the
kids 100%.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Are we joking here..is this the word of Ron we are speaking here. If I remember correctly Crystal stated she tried to call and could not get through to the kids. He took those kids and did not return them that is how he got custody plain and simple. JMO....

No joke. Nothing funny about this imo. Again, please read the documents. Are you saying not returning children is how he got custody? That doesn't make sense to me, and it also is not the case from the facts we have available.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I'm sorry I don't get this part?
If Ron was working and Crystal was home do you think it’s his responsibility
to wake Crystal so she could keep the doctor appointments?

I'm sorry... her not getting out of bed to take Haleigh to the doctors
is NOT Ron's fault!

She either wanted to be a mom or not... IMO she did not!
If you so depressed that you can’t even get out of bed then IMO you should
not have custody of your children!

I'm glad that he was awarded custody because someone had to feed,
clothe and care for the kids!

Let’s assume his mom helped him… I see nothing wrong with that and I would
see nothing wrong with Crystal’s family helping her do her share!

Truth is Crystal and her family sat by and let Ron and his family support the
kids 100%.

Very well said. :applause: :applause:

 

[atherella]

Ok I really have a hard time posting anymore..

BBM..
Ron was the sole provider who lived with his mother or Crystals parents while they where together..hmmm Why should he take off work to take the kids? Well that's an easy one, because they needed to get there and apparently Crystal wasn't getting the job done, he is a parent here as well and if he care's ..you get my point

You would think it was important as well to get out of bed but as I said before was she depressed ? Did anyone in Ron's family or Ron for that matter try to help her so you would get out of bed or did they just talk behind her back. Apparently there is something wrong here when she doesnt get out of bed!

You are right we do not know when the appointment for JR was scheduled but Ron did, and when the court set up that time and day for that hearing he could have had it changed then or called the Judges clerk to change the hearing date if it was that important to him as he states !

And last but not least..Several hours before the hearing...lol. Oh boy just hope that the doctor isn't delayed or you won't make your court date..
As well as that, isn't this the court date that Crystal did not recieve notice to, went to the wrong address?
I do read these documents it has just been awhile since I have reread them. I have been on other threads and cases posting and I need a refresh.
I am so frustrated with all the back and forth side taking it makes it really hard for me to even read here anymore.
My post above may look like I am taking Crystal's side I am Not on anyone's side except for Haleigh.
I am trying to make a few points to show that Ron could have taken a little more responsibility from the get go and he decided not to but yet it is put on Crystal, I don't get it...

Sure, Ron, the only person providing for the kids COULD have just skipped out on work to take HaLeigh to the doctor - is there any proof he KNEW she was missing appointments until he got custody, though? Again, Crystal was the one who was supposed to be the "stay at home mother".

I'm sorry, there is absolutely no evidence Crystal was depressed. There has not even been a suggestion of such a thing. IMO, that sounds like an excuse to let Crystal off the hook for missing 12 appointments of HaLeigh's. Even Crystal didn't try to excuse her behavior. She apologized and said she wasn't going to blame anyone but herself. And to suggest that Ron and his family talked behind her back is outrageous, IMO. There is no proof that any such thing has happened. Matter of fact, no one has ever even suggested such a thing, and I'm sure if that happened, we'd have heard about it when Ron got trashed in the media.

Ron offered to take Junior to the doctor's appointment that day himself - at the risk of missing the hearing. When your child needs to see a cardiologist, you don't cancel the appointment. And you can't call court and just cancel it. That is NOT how a court works. Motions need to be filed, and a judge needs to grant them. But, Ron DID try to take responsibility - Crystal did not bring Junior to him and allow him to bring him to the appointment. She chose to let Junior miss the appointment. Sometimes things are exactly what they seem.

And no, this is not the hearing Crystal didn't have notice for. This is the hearing Crystal requested after she missed the first one on December 5th, IIRC.

 

[snookie]

If he knew the court date fell on the same day as Jr. appointment he should have changed it ! He was the one with control of the children at that time not Crystal, JR may have been visiting at the time but Ron should have changed that appointment for that boy because that was his job since he took it upon himself to take on these children period. Crystal was living 100 mile's away. If he gave half a carp as you all are claiming Ron would have made sure those appointments for those children were made when they would be in his care given the distance of Crystal so that Haleigh and Jr got their care. He made it that way. I am sure Ron can pick up a calender and determine when Crystal's visits occurred, and the doc's office can work around schedules especially if given more then 2 weeks notice, I know because I have a child with special needs !

(respectfully snipped)

Very well said.

In my opinion it was wrong of Crystal to not get the kids to their doctor appointments, but Ron is just as guilty. They are equally responsible. I am puzzled as to why Ronald had such a hard time getting Haleigh to school on time, or at all. All of the unexcused absences and tardies are disturbing imo.

People are quick to judge Crystal for missing those appointments, but at least she accepted responsibility and took the blame. Did Ron, the custodial parent, ever give an explanation as to why Haleigh's school attendence was so troubled? Did he blame all of that on Crystal too?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

(respectfully snipped)

Very well said.

In my opinion it was wrong of Crystal to not get the kids to their doctor appointments, but Ron is just as guilty. They are equally responsible. I am puzzled as to why Ronald had such a hard time getting Haleigh to school on time, or at all. All of the unexcused absences and tardies are disturbing imo.

People are quick to judge Crystal for missing those appointments, but at least she accepted responsibility and took the blame. Did Ron, the custodial parent, ever give an explanation as to why Haleigh's school attendence was so troubled? Did he blame all of that on Crystal too?

Did you ever see the photo of Haleigh on her first day of school not wanting to get on the bus? She obviously did not want to go (not unlike most kids), but this could be a factor in her tardies. He doesn't have to explain those absences to anyone except the school. If Haleigh wasn't feeling well and Ronald forgot to call or write a note...it is considered unexcused. I don't consider this a huge issue considering her age. Here it doesn't even count against them until they are older because the school system expects it. Children are not allowed to go to school for 24 hours after vomiting or having a fever and the guidelines are very strict so they make allowances for the younger children.

Going to see a Cardiologist is much different, imo. When it deals with the health of a child then it goes into a much higher category than days missed at school, imo. Those appointments are serious and very difficult to get. Btw~ you don't just change those appointments. They are normally set up between the doctors and it takes weeks to reschedule. There is no excuse good enough to miss them. Ronald offered to take off work to do her job.