Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #6

[mysticrose]

So I just have to say that I am really excited and pleased that both families have decided to do some things postive for Haleighs upcoming birthday! I think that both ideas are great! May it bring more awareness to Haleigh!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There apparently have been alot of critical mistakes made by people or Haleigh would not be missing.
As for finger pointing it goes both ways..I read it on the forum just about everyday..

I think you could say that about every single missing child case. So is that really fair to say?

True, it happens on both sides. However, in this case...Crystal neglecting to take a child to the doctor and Haleigh having unexcused absences are so far apart in the big picture here. Apples and Oranges. It doesn't make much sense to compare them, imo. A child's health care will win out every time, imo. Besides, maybe keeping Haleigh at home was FOR her health which would mean that Ronald was actually doing the right thing in the health care department.

 

[CrankyPants]

FYI, according to the school policy, "appointments" (doctor's appointments included, I assume) are considered UNEXCUSED absences. So, whichever parent who had physical custody at the time of a doctor's appointment scheduled during school hours would be responsible for an unexcused absence EVEN THOUGH they were, IMO, doing the best for the child by taking her to the doctor.

 

[Whisperer]

Haleigh was not being protected like she should have been. Can anyone imagine how Crystal feels? A teenager was given the rights to her children for their care and protection. I know that many here would have done exactly what she has done and fight to get Butterbean...to protect him.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Shaymus I did not realize that the child support worksheets where not online with the other documents until just recently as well as the visitation schedule. I have tried not to discuss info from the complete set of documents that is not included online. Some of the documents are worded differently so when I cite something with a page number and line number it might be different but same info. I did scan the visitation schedule and got chewed out for it and accused of all kinds of things so my original intent to shot out of the water.

What was the objection to your posting the Visitation Schedule and other portions of the custody documents ?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You cannot "steal" your own children unless there is a court order in place. Ronald did not steal or kidnap anyone. He was given the children until a judge decided they should stay with him. There was nothing misrepresented, imo. Crystal put the children in that position in the first place because she either did not want to care for them, was unable to care for them, or because she made a bad decision for whatever her reasons were at the time. Ronald chose not to return them because of valid reasons, imo. It was his purogative to file for custody if he felt the need which he obviously did.

So now we are going to move from the school absence issues into why Ronald ended up with custody? Why don't we beat this dead horse once again to see if it gets up to dance?!

Why don't we discuss what Crystal was doing at that time while her children were gone? Let's go there since it hasn't been discussed. She wasn't out trying to find work...was she? I would love to know where she was and what she was really doing while he was taking care of both children and working.

ETA: How old was Crystal when she had Haleigh?! Maybe they should have taken away Haleigh then because she was too young to be caring for a child at her age.

 

[Whisperer]

The time and date for the appointment for Haleigh was a set-up

The court told RC, not Crystal to take her in for an eval before the next court date. What does RC do? He schedules for same day as court date. When he arrives and is asked where the eval is, he blames it on Crystal!. This man doesn't know the meaning of the word respsonsibility! He has and always will never accept it and will blame others for any wrong. That is his personality and his ethical code.

Not a far reach to say the same behavior presented itself when he filed and gave the wrong address.

 

[CrankyPants]

Haleigh was not being protected like she should have been. Can anyone imagine how Crystal feels? A teenager was given the rights to her children for their care and protection. I know that many here would have done exactly what she has done and fight to get Butterbean...to protect him.

bbm
Wasn't Crystal herself a teenager when she gave birth to Haleigh, thus becoming responsible for her care and protection? Crystal didn't seem to have anything bad to say about MC during media interviews in the early days after Haleigh went missing.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

How could it be a set up?! No one calls a specialist to set up an appointment as a rule. The General Practioner or Pediatrician is responsible for contacting and setting up that appointment. Did Ronald act in cahoots with the doctor to make certain that the appointment would coincide with the court hearing?! I don't think so.

 

[raeann]

Having raised children who attended school, I am well aware of what is expected. I don't agree with the unexcused absences being on her record either, but I do know how they can happen. I also know it can be the fault of the school when a parent sends a note or calls and it isn't properly documented. If Ronald sent a note and Haleigh lost it...could be another reason. I would suspect if Ronald failed to notify them in a timely fashion, this would also be a reason for them to call it unexcused. It still does not mean she did not have a valid reason for missing. (If a child is tardy, there are times they are also counted as an unexcused absence because the daily report from the teacher had already gone in and was never changed to reflect the student was present.)

LOL I have never heard of a school making backup arrangements to get students back and forth! That is some extra mile! Wow~

LOL.....Guess my kids went to different kinds of schools, then! Every year several newsletter notices come out during the school year requesting help with getting a student to or from school. Sometimes it is for a short period while a parent is ill or without a car for awhile, other times for just a certain day of the week, etc. Some other parent ALWAYS steps up to make sure this is taken care of, every time! In nearly 20 years of having my kids in these schools, I have never seen a notice have to be repeated with more than one request for help.

Also, no school my kids have ever attended would accept ANY kind of note written by a parent and sent in with a student. Several reasons there--the first one you have stated, too easy to get lost in the shuffle, second one is that there is no way to verify it came from the parent (kids can type notes themselves, you know! ) My point was that in either case, how hard is it for the parent to make a one minute phone call? NO PROBLEM at all, and solves a multitude of problems before they occur.

 

[Whisperer]

You cannot "steal" your own children unless there is a court order in place. Ronald did not steal or kidnap anyone. He was given the children until a judge decided they should stay with him. There was nothing misrepresented, imo. Crystal put the children in that position in the first place because she either did not want to care for them, was unable to care for them, or because she made a bad decision for whatever her reasons were at the time. Ronald chose not to return them because of valid reasons, imo. It was his perogative to file for custody if he felt the need which he obviously did.

So now we are going to move from the school absence issues into why Ronald ended up with custody? Why don't we beat this dead horse once again to see if it gets up to dance?!

Why don't we discuss what Crystal was doing at that time while her children were gone? Let's go there since it hasn't been discussed. She wasn't out trying to find work...was she? I would love to know where she was and what she was really doing while he was taking care of both children and working.

ETA: How old was Crystal when she had Haleigh?! Maybe they should have taken away Haleigh then because she was too young to be caring for a child at her age.

He did not return the children to their mother. I call that stealing, but you may have a real good excuse for Ronald. No, there was not a court order in place because C did not have the money yet. About her working? She had an infant and a toddler. You sue are going on strong about her working! When are you going to start on Misty going to work?

My opinion is RC stole them and filed before she could file and he would have to pay child support, if she got there first.

 

[Whisperer]

Serious:

You mentioned what Crystal was doing when RC went to Mexico (for work),...lol.

I would like to hear that exacatly what she was doing. You have that info?

 

[CrankyPants]

Since it is Putnum County School District's policy to call parents/guardians when a student is absent, whether or not Crystal or Ron sent a note about the absence(s) is a moot point.

Yes, you must live in a unique area. I live in a very small rural community and have never seen a newsletter such as you describe.

 

[atherella]

We have more endorsements for Ron's superb parenting skills. How demeaning for hiim that the DCF suggest he take parenting classes!

Concerning health care. Ron stole the children when Jr was 6 months and HaLeigh was 2....exactly who had more opportunity to provide for good health care?

Four years now...

I fail to see what either of these posts have to do with Crystal? Am I in the wrong thread?

That said, nothing wrong with parenting classes. I'd say ALL the parties in this case could use some parenting classes - INCLUDING CRYSTAL. These are ALL young people that have not had strong role models. If anyone fails to recognize that, I'm not sure what to tell you. Parenting classes can only make everyone stronger parents, which can only benefit THE CHILDREN.

And for crying out loud, Ron did NOT "steal" the children. That phrase ought to be banned in this forum, IMO. Stealing children is against the law. Ron is the children's LEGAL FATHER. He is on their birth certificate and thus, has legal rights to them. Crystal GAVE Ron the children for that month when he went to Texas (he did NOT steal them). When he came back, he filed for custody and it was granted. He hardly stole them. Crystal knew exactly where they were and visited with them, although, to listen to the judge - she had a "sustained lack of contact" with them.

 

[raeann]

How could it be a set up?! No one calls a specialist to set up an appointment as a rule. The General Practioner or Pediatrician is responsible for contacting and setting up that appointment. Did Ronald act in cahoots with the doctor to insure that the appointment would coincide with the court hearing?! I don't think so.

I'll have to contradict you on this one. The patient ALWAYS is involved in the call to set up the appointment time. The specialist is contacted by the primary care physician's office to make arrangements for the transfer of records, but the PATIENT OR PARENT must make the contact to set up the appointment time. The office staff of the primary care physician doesn't know when the patient will be available. Sometimes they will call while the patient is standing in their office and hand the phone to them to set it up, but the patient/parent must verbally agree to the time when the appointment is made.
Sorry...not being disagreeable, but I now WORK at a primary care physician's office and I am quite familiar with the rules and procedures of how this is arranged.

 

[atherella]

Serious:

You mentioned what Crystal was doing when RC went to Mexico (for work),...lol.

I would like to hear that exacatly what she was doing. You have that info?

Ron went to TEXAS for work - not Mexico. IIRC, we were given information quite awhile ago that Ron never even made it to Mexico - his trip was cut short and he was only gone 18 days, rather than the month he planned to be gone. Didn't you JUST read the transcript last night?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL.....Guess my kids went to different kinds of schools, then! Every year several newsletter notices come out during the school year requesting help with getting a student to or from school. Sometimes it is for a short period while a parent is ill or without a car for awhile, other times for just a certain day of the week, etc. Some other parent ALWAYS steps up to make sure this is taken care of, every time! In nearly 20 years of having my kids in these schools, I have never seen a notice have to be repeated with more than one request for help.

Also, no school my kids have ever attended would accept ANY kind of note written by a parent and sent in with a student. Several reasons there--the first one you have stated, too easy to get lost in the shuffle, second one is that there is no way to verify it came from the parent (kids can type notes themselves, you know! ) My point was that in either case, how hard is it for the parent to make a one minute phone call? NO PROBLEM at all, and solves a multitude of problems before they occur.

Unless it has changed in the past few short years and I am not aware of it...notes are still accepted as are phone calls from the parent for an excused absence.

I have never seen a newsletter here that offered any kind of help in that department. Parents are responsible for any backup plans to get their children to and from school. It is a wonderful idea which would be very helpful to single parents without a support system.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'll have to contradict you on this one. The patient ALWAYS is involved in the call to set up the appointment time. The specialist is contacted by the primary care physician's office to make arrangements for the transfer of records, but the PATIENT OR PARENT must make the contact to set up the appointment time. The office staff of the primary care physician doesn't know when the patient will be available. Sometimes they will call while the patient is standing in their office and hand the phone to them to set it up, but the patient/parent must verbally agree to the time when the appointment is made.
Sorry...not being disagreeable, but I now WORK at a primary care physician's office and I am quite familiar with the rules and procedures of how this is arranged.

Maybe each office has a different policy because I never called them directly or had a decision in when the appointments to specialists were scheduled. The Doctor's office would call me to let me know they made the appointment and when it was scheduled. The day before the appointment, I usually received a phone call from the specialist's office to verify the appointment. At no time did I set it up myself.

 

[Busylady]

There is the one video where Crystal discusses RC getting in trouble if he takes Haleigh out of school. I will look for the link here in a bit. She states that she was talking to RC and she was suppose to pick the kids up and he wouldn't let her because he couldnt take Haleigh out of school anymore days or he would get in trouble.

Well that could be the case, he just told Crystal that. But given all the unexcused absences and tardies there is no doubt in my mind that he did receive some kind of legal warning, at least from the board of education. That's how it works here anyway.

Have we heard if Crystal did indeed ask Ronald to keep Haleigh out of school?

 

[raeann]

Since it is Putnum County School District's policy to call parents/guardians when a student is absent, whether or not Crystal or Ron sent a note about the absence(s) is a moot point.

Yes, you must live in a unique area. I live in a very small rural community and have never seen a newsletter such as you describe.

LOL...we get a newsletter every week, plus daily announcements and news through their websites, with a running scroll across the top of that site with minute by minute news flashes whenever that might be necessary for weather alerts, power failures, sports practice schedule changes etc.!

Most schools call if they have not heard from the parent regarding an absence, but by then it is usually unexcused either way. And....I agree it is a moot point, she missed a LOT of school, way too much for her to be keeping up with her class. However, it has little if anything to do with her being missing now. Also, nothing to do with Crystal, so not applicable to this thread, sorry mods!