Crystal S., Haleigh's mother #6

[atherella]

Does anyone not think that if Crystal had a drug abuse problem that Ron did as well ? Ron has been busted in the "past" with not only pot but much harder drugs Herion , date rape drugs, and so on. Those are serious drugs. He did have them on his person.
Crystal admitted to her problem's with drug's and Ron flat out denies his involvement with drugs. I am sorry but whats "good for the goose is good for the gander", and know one involved in Haleighs life is clean..with maybe the exception of TN and that is a big maybe.

I do agree with you that most people in HaLeigh's life have been involved with drugs at one point or another. (I'm not talking about Teresa because there is absolutely NO proof at all she has ever been involved with drugs).

Crystal chose (when it was convenient) to discuss her issues with drugs. At other times, she didn't. I have a video where she denies drugs played a part in the custody decision. From reading the transcript of the court hearing, we do know that her use of cocaine was what caused Ron to file for custody in the first place (according to Ron's testimony). So, was Crystal lying in that interview?

In any event, I have only heard Ron discuss drugs one time. He was asked if he was a drug user - present tense. He stated no he does not use drugs - present tense. Do you really see any good reason after being ambushed the way he was by Geraldo Rivera that Ron would have given him his past history? I don't. Ron told him that "No, I do not use drugs". And I believe that he is not a current drug user. His last arrest was years ago. I believe he cleaned up his life after he had kids as many people do.

Did Crystal clean up her life? We KNOW she is involved with a man who had a drug arrest in 2007 (a lot more recent than RON'S arrest). People love to give Crystal all the credit in the world for "moving on" and "growing" -- but did she? Is Chad a step up in the world? He was not even allowed to see his own children until December of 2008. (And people like to point out he has custody of his own children - show me the court documents - there are NONE). I think most of us have seen the pictures of Crystal's birthday party last year. Has she really cleaned up HER LIFE?

You're right - what is good for the goose is good for the gander. But why is it all anyone wants to do is slam Ron? That does not bring HaLeigh home! Slamming either parent doesn't help HaLeigh.

 

[atherella]

Really? Guess I missed LE clearing Misty (ie, saying that she is not a suspect) or stating that she did not harm, kill or hide HaLeigh. You are the only person that I have EVER heard say that as a fact. Since you have stated this as fact and not the usual rumor, opinion or speculation, I'm sure that you would be glad to share the source for that info, right?

Snipped & BBM

"Captain Schauland told First Coast News Friday, "I would not list Misty as a suspect. We just want to get the timeline straightened out. Our most important thing is finding Haleigh. That's more important than anything else. And Misty's the key to that."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=295


However, we know that no one is cleared other than the AC guy. And I suppose all the RSOs.

 

[mysticrose]

I do agree with you that most people in HaLeigh's life have been involved with drugs at one point or another. (I'm not talking about Teresa because there is absolutely NO proof at all she has ever been involved with drugs).

Crystal chose (when it was convenient) to discuss her issues with drugs. At other times, she didn't. I have a video where she denies drugs played a part in the custody decision. From reading the transcript of the court hearing, we do know that her use of cocaine was what caused Ron to file for custody in the first place (according to Ron's testimony). So, was Crystal lying in that interview?

In any event, I have only heard Ron discuss drugs one time. He was asked if he was a drug user - present tense. He stated no he does not use drugs - present tense. Do you really see any good reason after being ambushed the way he was by Geraldo Rivera that Ron would have given him his past history? I don't. Ron told him that "No, I do not use drugs". And I believe that he is not a current drug user. His last arrest was years ago. I believe he cleaned up his life after he had kids as many people do.

Did Crystal clean up her life? We KNOW she is involved with a man who had a drug arrest in 2007 (a lot more recent than RON'S arrest). People love to give Crystal all the credit in the world for "moving on" and "growing" -- but did she? Is Chad a step up in the world? He was not even allowed to see his own children until December of 2008. (And people like to point out he has custody of his own children - show me the court documents - there are NONE). I think most of us have seen the pictures of Crystal's birthday party last year. Has she really cleaned up HER LIFE?

You're right - what is good for the goose is good for the gander. But why is it all anyone wants to do is slam Ron? That does not bring HaLeigh home! Slamming either parent doesn't help HaLeigh.

ITA slamming the parents does not help find Haleigh..I was not slamming Ron just merely questioning why Ron could not be doing drugs at that time as well..Speaking of slamming there is alot of slamming of Crystal IMO, Ron and Misty were the last people with Haleigh so people will pick them apart.
I just can't post on Haleigh's thread anymore because when I open up anything to read, there is so much slamming and bashing of both parents, it is uncalled for and ridiculous.
I have noticed alot of posters have went away from here and that is sad. If and when we hear something new I will post again but I can not anymore at this time. My prayers are with Haleigh , and may she find her way home..

 

[Pondering Mind]

Snipped & BBM


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=295


However, we know that no one is cleared other than the AC guy. And I suppose all the RSOs.

Right! and that was my point...No one has been cleared except him...at least officially. I hope and pray that they have been able to rule some out and we just don't know it, or this case is up the creek without a paddle IMHO.
That's why I was asking for clarification. I've never read ANYWHERE that Misty (or anyone else besides AC man) had been cleared.

 

[Pondering Mind]

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ita slamming the parents does not help find haleigh..i was not slamming ron just merely questioning why ron could not be doing drugs at that time as well..speaking of slamming there is alot of slamming of crystal imo, ron and misty were the last people with haleigh so people will pick them apart.
I just can't post on haleigh's thread anymore because when i open up anything to read, there is so much slamming and bashing of both parents, it is uncalled for and ridiculous.
I have noticed alot of posters have went away from here and that is sad. If and when we hear something new i will post again but i can not anymore at this time. My prayers are with haleigh , and may she find her way home..

ita....:bowdown: That said, I'm calling it a day...Have a good Sunday everyone! :blowkiss:

Praying that HaLeigh is found soon.......

 

[TxLady2]

I am sorry .. I to was an abused wife for years and had to go into counciling after finally leaving him to gain back everything that he had taken from me... bruises fade and broken bones heal, but, the damage remains. I have and will continue to advocate against abuse when it is commited, but, we have not seen one thing that gives credibility to this statement from Crystal. It is called a lie with out proof.She gives you so little to shout from the roof tops with and no police report, no restraint order EVER no visit to a hospital no pictures of abuse no person has came forward in this family to agree with her other than Marie. Tell me again what did Ron do to her again that she called abusive?
I can not see how anyone gives it a thought after watching Crystal hold and comfort Ron the first day that HaLeigh was found to be missing.
The 911 call is something I will argue that he was a whole lot calmer than I would of been and I would shoot the piece of trash too.

Then you of all people should understand that a lot of abused women do not have proof of their abuse. They don't take pictures of the bruises and broken bones, and they don't go to emergency rooms unless it is a life-threatening injury. A lot of abused women also love their husbands or boyfriends, even while the abuse is going on, to the point that they will comfort him when he breaks down and cries and asks forgiveness for hurting her. I've heard some women claim to have put up with it for 20 or 30 years, and list the reasons.. they had kids and the kids deserved their father, or they didn't know where to go to get help, or they really loved him and they know he doesn't mean it, he is just so stressed out or he had a little too much to drink, or she made him angry and it was all her fault. There are thousands of excuses.
My first husband was an abuser... both physical and emotional abuse. It didn't take me 20 years to get the heck out of Dodge. I decided NO man was worth putting up with never knowing when I might get backhanded or have a chair thrown at me, or a gun pointing at me. He might have been a handsome devil and have charm oozing out of every pore, but the first time he hit me, I though, oops, that was a mistake. The second time I hit him back and it shocked him, but the third time I said, that's it. Never again. In between those times, I was told I was stupid, white trash, and a whole host of other insults, plus my entire family was trashed as well. My family and my friends didn't see bruises on me, but they believed me anyway.
You're welcome to your opinions, but I would think someone who has gone through what you claim to, would understand Crystal and sympathize, instead of accusing her of making it up. How do we know whether to believe your story or not, just because you said it. See the point I'm making?

 

[mommyofthreekidz5]

Johnny's demeanor is interesting. LOL

This video bring to mind one of the examples why I don't think the reason for CS's inconsistencies have anything at all to do with being afraid of RC and why I don't think she was abused by him.

1. CS has a whole dang bunch of relatives in Putnam Co more than RC by a longshot. I won't name them but anyone who's searched out the family trees knows exactly what I mean. And a whole bunch of them are intimidating/authoritative people IMO, including but not limited to, her father, ex-Marine Johnny, and Chad who looks like he could snap RC in two. There were reports in the early days by WS people who went to the campgrounds that CSs tent was always packed with people and RC's.. not so much. So I find it extremely hard to believe that anything CS said after Haleigh went missing was because of a latent fear of RC. It really doesn't seem realistic.

2. This report by CS of RC smacking her in the head is one of the most telling things to me and a good example of why I think she wasn't really abused and how it can appear she changes stories to "fit" what the theme of the day is.

First, if she had just found out she was pregant that would put her at about 17 1/2.. roughly Misty's age (based on 8/15/03 DOB of Haleigh and 8/30/83 DOB for CS). So at Misty's age she wasn't afraid enough of Ron to confront him when he was in the middle of using cocaine??? I "know" what it's like to live with someone on drugs... confront him at that time?? I wouldn't have, I knew how scary that could be to someone who WASN'T a regular abuser. So to me that says if she wasn't scared of him when he was high, she wasn't scare of him when he wasn't.

Second. Can someone explain to me how if she walked in and turned around and he hit her in the head (the way she described it at first) how the heck did she get kicked OFF the bed by the end?? This statement always made me wonder if she's actually "gone" after him on the bed and he was pushing her away.

SHEFFIELD: We were living in Leesburg at his mother’s house. And I had just found out I was pregnant. We were both doing cocaine and I stopped and I walked in the bedroom and he was doing it.

And I was like, you know, how are you gone do this in front of me after I just found out I was pregnant and I just stopped? And he got very pissed off and I had my — I was facing — I had my back turned to him. He punched me in the head and then I turned around and he kicked me off the bed.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

IMOO, And from the beginning, I believe the person above is responsible with all my heart . (Not Crystal, initially)-trying to say w/out saying .kwim .

 

[CeeKer]

[/B]

ITA slamming the parents does not help find Haleigh..I was not slamming Ron just merely questioning why Ron could not be doing drugs at that time as well..Speaking of slamming there is alot of slamming of Crystal IMO, Ron and Misty were the last people with Haleigh so people will pick them apart.
I just can't post on Haleigh's thread anymore because when I open up anything to read, there is so much slamming and bashing of both parents, it is uncalled for and ridiculous.
I have noticed alot of posters have went away from here and that is sad. If and when we hear something new I will post again but I can not anymore at this time. My prayers are with Haleigh , and may she find her way home..

I hope you don't stop posting mysticrose. It's such a hard thing to find a balance in this case esp. with the little we have to go on and the emotional buttons this case seems to push. Some see everyone "picking" on RC so they bring up stuff about CS. Some see everyone "picking" on CS so they bring up stuff about RC. And none of it does help Haleigh, esp. when the rumor mill has had LE running in circles at times. The problem is we don't have true undisputable facts to go on and I think that's where it starts to run amok.

 

[CeeKer]

Then you of all people should understand that a lot of abused women do not have proof of their abuse. They don't take pictures of the bruises and broken bones, and they don't go to emergency rooms unless it is a life-threatening injury. A lot of abused women also love their husbands or boyfriends, even while the abuse is going on, to the point that they will comfort him when he breaks down and cries and asks forgiveness for hurting her. I've heard some women claim to have put up with it for 20 or 30 years, and list the reasons.. they had kids and the kids deserved their father, or they didn't know where to go to get help, or they really loved him and they know he doesn't mean it, he is just so stressed out or he had a little too much to drink, or she made him angry and it was all her fault. There are thousands of excuses.
My first husband was an abuser... both physical and emotional abuse. It didn't take me 20 years to get the heck out of Dodge. I decided NO man was worth putting up with never knowing when I might get backhanded or have a chair thrown at me, or a gun pointing at me. He might have been a handsome devil and have charm oozing out of every pore, but the first time he hit me, I though, oops, that was a mistake. The second time I hit him back and it shocked him, but the third time I said, that's it. Never again. In between those times, I was told I was stupid, white trash, and a whole host of other insults, plus my entire family was trashed as well. My family and my friends didn't see bruises on me, but they believed me anyway.
You're welcome to your opinions, but I would think someone who has gone through what you claim to, would understand Crystal and sympathize, instead of accusing her of making it up. How do we know whether to believe your story or not, just because you said it. See the point I'm making?

TxLady, I am so sorry for your pain. Truly.
Regarding the sentence I bolded, I know that that statement is absolutely true, as well as a lot of the other things people have said who have gone through abuse. I know "happy" pictures don't always tell a story, I know people are afraid long after the abuse. etc. I'm not discounting anything people have shared about abuse, their own or in general. Honestly. But the problem I have with CS, and I don't know if she was abused or not, is that there are many things about her that don't add up for me as far as her being abused, so I can't draw that absolute conclusion and just "go" from that point. I can't "believe her story just because she says it" and it's NOT because she doesn't have pictures or bruises, it's because of a lot of different things about her, and her actions, and yes even some rumors, over the last six months, that don't add up for me. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that I can't make that leap

Yes Ron appears to be a blowhard, yes he was living with a 17 year old, which seems to be quite common down there, yes he swore like a bugger on the 911 tape, but that's not enough for me to draw a 100% conclusion about him. He very well may be an abuser but just because CS says so doesn't make it true for me. That doesn't mean however I don't totally believe and agree with what you and others have said about your abuse or abuse in general You know what I mean?

 

[Flossie JMO]

JMO I don't believe any of the abuse claims.

 

[CeeKer]

JMO I don't believe any of the abuse claims.

Many many things, taken together, lead me to believe there was no abuse in this case at all.

 

[lonetraveler]

She has come far from her first appearance in front of the cameras. It was all a credit to KP, did she all of a sudden get an IQ from KP too? You keep seeing what she wanted everyone to see until she wanted you to see she could handle HaLeigh bug headquarter. It is not what it look like is a comment that keeps coming to mind.

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FWIW: Crystal still had a child living with Ron and she had hopes that Haleigh would soon be found and returned to her home. If she had not come out and said that Ron would not harm Haleigh and that he loved her, there was a major chance that she would have pi**ed Ron off and he would make her pay for her words by denying her rights to her children. It is amazing what a mother will say just to be able to see their children. The "truth" that came out later was at the direction of counsel. I would like to point out that Ron was not found innocent, IMO, there just wasn't enough evidence to rule that abuse had occurred. That does not mean that there wasn't abuse. My belief, there was abuse.

 

[cuppy199]

Watching the video of Ronald and Crystal in the church together. Them sitting next to each other didnt look to me as a women scared of the man. I seen a women who had concern and possibly old feelings for the man.I dont believe Crystal or Ronald abused there children in any way. I believe they both love them with all there heart. IMO the biggest problem wasnt Crystal or Ronald in there relationship or even after they broke up. IMO the biggest problem was and still is her mother.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Watching the video of Ronald and Crystal in the church together. Them sitting next to each other didnt look to me as a women scared of the man. I seen a women who had concern and possibly old feelings for the man.I dont believe Crystal or Ronald abused there children in any way. I believe they both love them with all there heart. IMO the biggest problem wasnt Crystal or Ronald in there relationship or even after they broke up. IMO the biggest problem was and still is her mother.

I agree she did not appear to be the least bit afraid of Ronald especially when she was cuddled up with him. I would say she still has deep feelings for him instead...which of course is my own opinion of the way I saw things when they were shown together.

 

[Flossie JMO]

i agree she did not appear to be the least bit afraid of ronald especially when she was cuddled up with him. I would say she still has deep feelings for him instead...which of course is my own opinion of the way i saw things when they were shown together.

ita ss

 

[Whisperer]

I think RC is in love with Crystal and always will be.

 

[CeeKer]

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FWIW: Crystal still had a child living with Ron and she had hopes that Haleigh would soon be found and returned to her home. If she had not come out and said that Ron would not harm Haleigh and that he loved her, there was a major chance that she would have pi**ed Ron off and he would make her pay for her words by denying her rights to her children. It is amazing what a mother will say just to be able to see their children. The "truth" that came out later was at the direction of counsel. I would like to point out that Ron was not found innocent, IMO, there just wasn't enough evidence to rule that abuse had occurred. That does not mean that there wasn't abuse. My belief, there was abuse.

First bolded: That is highly unlikely since they have a custody agreement that details visitaion. I think CS is quite capable of finding her way to the courthouse LOL

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Re: Second Bold. Even though I don't agree, I respect your opinion/belief Lonetraveler.

 

[CrankyPants]

2009-06-18 FUNDS HOLD DUE TO IDENTIFY THEFT

What did I miss here?

 

[CeeKer]

Does anyone not think that if Crystal had a drug abuse problem that Ron did as well ? Ron has been busted in the "past" with not only pot but much harder drugs Herion , date rape drugs, and so on. Those are serious drugs. He did have them on his person.
Crystal admitted to her problem's with drug's and Ron flat out denies his involvement with drugs. I am sorry but whats "good for the goose is good for the gander", and know one involved in Haleighs life is clean..with maybe the exception of TN and that is a big maybe.

In forming my opinions I take it as a given that both parents did drugs at some point/points in their life. So for me it becomes a question of their behavior in the years following the last proven drug use.

I have never heard about a date rape drug. I just relooked at the court records and didn't see it either. Can you please provide me with a link for that, or at least the timeframe, or where you saw it. Thanks!

I addressed my opinion on the GR interview where RC said "No" to "do you use drugs" in the RC thread.

 

[elle1919]

In reference to the Geraldo video: I just rewatched it for the millionth time and I realized that while I was so transfixed on Crystal and Marie in this video I never watched the man in the camouflage in the back. Is this Johnny? Is this Crystal's dad?

Not Once did he look at the camera. Not once did he look at Crystal or Geraldo, in fact he is the only one in the entire shot to never look at the camera or interviewer. He definitely looks disinterested. I have been a strong advocate for both Crystal and Ronald, in my heart I believe Haleigh was abducted from her home and is no longer alive, but if I am being honest I must say this interview is strange when you view it solely with the man in camo as the subject.