GUILTY CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #71

[Megnut]

MOO

This really is wild. She could destroy his alibi. It would have been in her own best interest to reveal what she knew, claim she was controlled by FD and forced to participate... everyone at that point was championing for her to sink him.

SHE CHOSE NOT TO.

That was HER move, despite her attorney's best legal advice.

She shouldn't be given consideration for a new trial, different charges, any mercy whatsoever for HER POOR CHOICE of strategy.

She's STILL protecting FD and her own sorry self.

Motive wasn't even required for her conviction. EVIDENCE overrides and need for motive.

MT did not want ongoing issues with JFd and FD did not want ongoing issues with MT who was very vocal about the situation. Vocal and angry.

I don't doubt for a second that MT ordered the Code Red here.

'Get her gone or I'm gone.'

JMO

 

[Megnut]

AB is passionate in saying that it was HIS JOB, as an attorney, to nudge MT into being a cooperating witness, securing a big break for her.

AB: FD's suicide was devastating to MT's position as a potential cooperating witness.

And I think FD was well aware of that impact.

JMO

 

[BJarv]

AB believed that MT could make a case for FD controlling her...

I agree with Atty Bowman that coercive control argument might have been most persuasive argument for MT and I've long wondered why she continued to support Dulos (or if she had been paid for her support in some way) through the 3 LE interviews. Then, when we learned at trial that the couple had been fighting hard for months etc., that the MT ongoing support then seemed even more baffling and frankly suspect as to possibly her or her family getting paid etc. MT knew Dulos had lied about affairs and talking with women during their relationship and she had to have known that the divorce status he had shared with her over the years was a total lie too. Then, factor in the 'Murders Eve Dinner" farce and thinking about what MT knew at that point in time about Dulos and Family Court etc., it all becomes even more of a mystery imo as to why MT continued to blindly support Dulos. I've long wondered what the 'story behind the story' was with MT and Dulos? I think MT birddogged FD, knew him to be untrustworthy and a persistent and convenient liar and YET she still played along. Did he promise her money (JF money) and that is perhaps why MT supported him for so long and imo long after she could have turned on him to save herself? I'm not sure we have learned much about these questions in the AM testimony. Maybe the afternoon session might clear up some of these questions?

 

[browneyes]

Thanks for keeping us updated @Megnut ️

 

[Megnut]

MOO

Cunning as she is, MT seems dense on this point -- that faithful FD screwed her over when he killed himself.

She should have begged to cooperate st that point, despite all implied sweetheart deals off the table.

See could have told what she knew, helped LE zero in on what happened to JFd's body (details like what FD was doing at 80 MS, how long he was gone, etc, etc), and only that she point protected him because she was fearful. Clamor for sympathy, pray for mercy.

Another error in strategy. Despite all her legal advice.

Why would MT hold tight? There can be only one reason. She was intimately involved. She can't incriminate FD without wholly incriminating herself, to a degree beyond coercion, directly to premeditation. Active participation.

She used FD to get her nemesis gone, and FD used MT so that she could never squeal on him without squealing on herself.

JMO

 

[Jmoose]

MT continued to insist that JFd wasn't dead, she'd done it before.

This is really just exposing the conspiracy IMO.

Even after her conviction, MT’s sisters were still spewing the crap about Jennifer’s likely “gone girl act”. They are still hanging their hats on this, even after the testimony that, with as much blood as had been all over the garage floor, and the bloody clothing that FD and MT took to Hartford, that she could still be alive.

 

[BJarv]

Does anyone have the feed link for afternoon session? I'm not seeing it on youtube.

 

[Megnut]

I agree with Atty Bowman that coercive control argument might have been most persuasive argument for MT and I've long wondered why she continued to support Dulos (or if she had been paid for her support in some way) through the 3 LE interviews. Then, when we learned at trial that the couple had been fighting hard for months etc., that the MT ongoing support then seemed even more baffling and frankly suspect as to possibly her or her family getting paid etc. MT knew Dulos had lied about affairs and talking with women during their relationship and she had to have known that the divorce status he had shared with her over the years was a total lie too. Then, factor in the 'Murders Eve Dinner" farce and thinking about what MT knew at that point in time about Dulos and Family Court etc., it all becomes even more of a mystery imo as to why MT continued to blindly support Dulos. I've long wondered what the 'story behind the story' was with MT and Dulos? I think MT birddogged FD, knew him to be untrustworthy and a persistent and convenient liar and YET she still played along. Did he promise her money (JF money) and that is perhaps why MT supported him for so long and imo long after she could have turned on him to save herself? I'm not sure we have learned much about these questions in the AM testimony. Maybe the afternoon session might clear up some of these questions?

Rbbm

Because she's guilty.

She didn't just wasn't JFd dead, she participated. She was more than the alibi maker.

It's the only conclusion. Agreed had EVERY chance to throw FD under all of the bases.

The only reason she wouldn't grab that lifeline is that she can't, not without revealing her primary role. This was FD's evilgenius, to implicate her so deeply she could never testify against him.

MT knew JFd's blood was on the Tacoma seats and used everything in her sexy purse to delay, distract, deflect PG from collecting his truck.

She wasn't a sidepiece to FD's murder story. She was a principal agent. Primary, I might argue.

Let me remind you -- two bloody ponchos.

JMO

 

[BJarv]

MOO

This really is wild. She could destroy his alibi. It would have been in her own best interest to reveal what she knew, claim she was controlled by FD and forced to participate... everyone at that point was championing for her to sink him.

SHE CHOSE NOT TO.

That was HER move, despite her attorney's best legal advice.

She shouldn't be given consideration for a new trial, different charges, any mercy whatsoever for HER POOR CHOICE of strategy.

She's STILL protecting FD and her own sorry self.

Motive wasn't even required for her conviction. EVIDENCE overrides and need for motive.

MT did not want ongoing issues with JFd and FD did not want ongoing issues with MT who was very vocal about the situation. Vocal and angry.

I don't doubt for a second that MT ordered the Code Red here.

'Get her gone or I'm gone.'

JMO

YES!

Still so baffled as to why MT continued to support FD even after his death as there was a brief window I think for the coercive control argument to work. I do wonder if MT realized that as soon as the Hartford trash bin evidence was found and that her presence in the truck on Hartford Avenue was in HD Video, that there was no way for her to credibly claim no knowledge?

I think your Code Red theory made sense based on what played out in terms of the murder. But, it doesn't at all line up with the 'Murders Eve Dinner' and MT ongoing claims of her innocence and that of Dulos. I also don't believe for a second that MT didn't understand the issues in Family Court with the Herman report being tossed, Attorney Rose being a party to the falsifying of Dulos financial information and then himself being terminated from Family Court and how all of these issues effectively placed the divorce action back to Day 1, with the only difference being that Dulos was out of money to fight. It was clear from the outside looking in at the situation that the pair were backed into a corner in Family Court and were out of money. AND YET, MT claimed to know nothing about what was going on and also supported the idea that Dulos would not have murdered Jennifer. The MT support of Dulos simply seems implausible, especially given that Atty Bowman claimed she was 'intelligent and aware'. I still feel like there is still this huge hole in the collective understanding around why MT would lie to LE and her own attorney and do so for years?!

 

[Megnut]

Just how was AB to prevent MT from voluntarily interviewing with police? It was her Best Bet, to allay charges!

The definition of a good (efficient) lawyer!

JMO

 

[BJarv]

Rbbm

Because she's guilty.

She didn't just wasn't JFd dead, she participated. She was more than the alibi maker.

It's the only conclusion. Agreed had EVERY chance to throw FD under all of the bases.

The only reason she wouldn't grab that lifeline is that she can't, not without revealing her primary role. This was FD's evilgenius, to implicate her so deeply she could never testify against him.

MT knew JFd's blood was on the Tacoma seats and used everything in her sexy purse to delay, distract, deflect PG from collecting his truck.

She wasn't a sidepiece to FD's murder story. She was a principal agent. Primary, I might argue.

Let me remind you -- two bloody ponchos.

JMO

Yes, like you say, it had to have been a true Bonnie and Clyde situation to result in supporting the lies for such a long period of time. Two bloody ponchos indeed and who could EVER forget the classic comment, "I wasn't cleaning Jennifer"....chilling and I now believe it might have been one of the FEW truthful statements of MT.

 

[BJarv]

 

[Megnut]

YES!

Still so baffled as to why MT continued to support FD even after his death as there was a brief window I think for the coercive control argument to work. I do wonder if MT realized that as soon as the Hartford trash bin evidence was found and that her presence in the truck on Hartford Avenue was in HD Video, that there was no way for her to credibly claim no knowledge?

I think your Code Red theory made sense based on what played out in terms of the murder. But, it doesn't at all line up with the 'Murders Eve Dinner' and MT ongoing claims of her innocence and that of Dulos. I also don't believe for a second that MT didn't understand the issues in Family Court with the Herman report being tossed, Attorney Rose being a party to the falsifying of Dulos financial information and then himself being terminated from Family Court and how all of these issues effectively placed the divorce action back to Day 1, with the only difference being that Dulos was out of money to fight. It was clear from the outside looking in at the situation that the pair were backed into a corner in Family Court and were out of money. AND YET, MT claimed to know nothing about what was going on and also supported the idea that Dulos would not have murdered Jennifer. The MT support of Dulos simply seems implausible, especially given that Atty Bowman claimed she was 'intelligent and aware'. I still feel like there is still this huge hole in the collective understanding around why MT would lie to LE and her own attorney and do so for years?!

IMI FD showed her, or they conspired, in the three string theory, that the three of them needed to remain united in their story.

We learned that the upshot of the last hearing that there WAS movement on visitation (favorable report), it just wasn't going to be immediate. Remember FD wanting his attorney to tell MT that she just needed to wait a little longer --

MT said it repeatedly. Two years of TORTURE. And going forward, she'd STILL have to deal with JFd. She was DONE and FD knew it.

This plan fast-tracked all of that. IMO THAT'S what they were celebrating at the Murder's Eve Dinner -- their genuis DYI divorce. FD had the power to put it all in the rearview, disappear JFd without a trace, with a well crafted alibi.

MT continued to expose her FOREKNOWLEDGE that of JFd's previous estrangement!!! Why would she have needed to know that or believe it? Especially when it became clear that JFd sustained life threatening injuries in New Canaan, so not a gone girl by her own power.

MT night as well scream from the rooftops -- we intended to stage a gone girl which we figured would be credible because of her past.

JMO

 

[BJarv]

Michelle Troconis seeks release through habeas challenge before appeal ruling

Michelle Troconis seeks habeas release, alleging ineffective counsel after conviction in Jennifer Dulos case.

www.fox61.com

 

[Megnut]

AB, on re-cross, he wanted to make clear that he was representing MT and not FD. So there was a separation from conflict/interest.

 

[browneyes]

Is this hearing, with her lawyer testifying, unusual? I’ve never seen anything like this, but MT does fancy herself special.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Rbbm

Because she's guilty.

She didn't just wasn't JFd dead, she participated. She was more than the alibi maker.

It's the only conclusion. Agreed had EVERY chance to throw FD under all of the bases.

The only reason she wouldn't grab that lifeline is that she can't, not without revealing her primary role. This was FD's evilgenius, to implicate her so deeply she could never testify against him.

MT knew JFd's blood was on the Tacoma seats and used everything in her sexy purse to delay, distract, deflect PG from collecting his truck.

She wasn't a sidepiece to FD's murder story. She was a principal agent. Primary, I might argue.

Let me remind you -- two bloody ponchos.

JMO

Yes @Megnut and also @BJarv ….. and IMO have to believe there might have been an element of this too perhaps………. - IIRC didn’t fd rather quickly have interest in another lady friend after the JF ‘disappearance’? Seemingly have already perhaps moved on from MT?

So IMO perhaps someone was not happy about that and refused to want to incur any responsibility for the matter and aftermath?

Yet, as the state’s attorneys in open court and evidence showed those ~30 coincidences that demonstrated the culpability and conspiratorial actions of the now convicted felon. IANAL. MOO

 

[Megnut]

Is this hearing, with her lawyer testifying, unusual? I’ve never seen anything like this, but MT does fancy herself special.

Very rare. She had to waive attorney-client privilege --

This is pathetic really. Trying to blame her attorney for not preventing her from lying.

It's not his fault that she took her own advice, not his.

JMO

 

[browneyes]

Very rare. She had to waive attorney-client privilege --

This is pathetic really. Trying to blame her attorney for not preventing her from lying.

It's not his fault that she took her own advice, not his.

JMO

She is something else….and not a good something.

 

[BJarv]

IMI FD showed her, or they conspired, in the three string theory, that the three of them needed to remain united in their story.

We learned that the upshot of the last hearing that there WAS movement on visitation (favorable report), it just wasn't going to be immediate. Remember FD wanting his attorney to tell MT that she just needed to wait a little longer --

MT said it repeatedly. Two years of TORTURE. And going forward, she'd STILL have to deal with JFd. She was DONE and FD knew it.

This plan fast-tracked all of that. IMO THAT'S what they were celebrating at the Murder's Eve Dinner -- their genuis DYI divorce. FD had the power to put it all in the rearview, disappear JFd without a trace, with a well crafted alibi.

MT continued to expose her FOREKNOWLEDGE that of JFd's previous estrangement!!! Why would she have needed to know that or believe it? Especially when it became clear that JFd sustained life threatening injuries in New Canaan, so not a gone girl by her own power.

MT night as well scream from the rooftops -- we intended to stage a gone girl which we figured would be credible because of her past.

JMO

Yes, MT said 'two years of torture' and said also that she and Dulos were fighting constantly. Why not pick up and leave and go to CO where she had the condo? She has alluded to this plan very briefly and not too strongly imo. Why stay with someone who has effectively lied to you for 2 years about his relationship status then the divorce and then the finances etc? MT could have picked up and left right after the last Family Court hearing when it was clear that Dulos needed a new attorney that he couldn't afford and that the finances had been fraudulently presented and would have had to been redone? Instead, MT participated in the 'Murders Eve Dinner" and continued to support Dulos. I find it hard to believe she was at all happy with the relationship at that point and imo she frankly seemed a bit checked out with the whole 'Murders Eve Dinner' scenario and cooking etc. I just wondered what was promised to her that she would still hang on with her support EVEN after it was clear that Dulos had moved on to another person and had installed that person at 4JX? Was it just the MT knowledge of her actual role and never being able to come clean? Or, was it something more and possibly access to the money that Dulos might have hidden as his finances were a mess as even with all the work of JF attorney Weinstein, was never fully unraveled imo.