Silver Alert CT- Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #11 *ARRESTS*

[CTGrammy]

From @MarissaAlter: "Family court status conference in Dulos divorce case is over. No decisions or discussions about custody of 5 kids. Focus was on sealed psychological evaluation in custody case. Attorney Norm Pattis acknowledged he violated judge’s order but said he was unaware of it" [BBM].

Doesn't No Case Norm have a team of well trained staff to answer a simple question about standing judicial orders in Family Court? Not sure the "unaware of it" response is much different from the response he gave yesterday to blaming Waze for FD side trip into NY which is prohibited. Don't get why Pattis response was even remotely acceptable to the Judge?! MOO

If NP was 'Unaware' the documents were sealed, then Why did he ask to have them un-sealed?

He can't ask them to be un-sealed and then say he was 'unaware' they were sealed.

 

[afitzy]

The kids will be showered with sympathy and affection for years, they have all the good privileges life has to offer affluent families, there are untold millions without a small fraction of that. They will be traumatized and that is terrible but I see a lot of missing person cases, decimated families with so much less attention than this one that all the locals are asked to "pray about" in church.

On the absurdist "revenge suicide" theory I have a few questions: Has there ever been a revenge suicide with such circumstances? Ex-husband found with presumed dead wife's blood in clean up bags? All types of incriminating evidence and probable cause? MOTIVES? And with a short time window, ie same day, presumed dead/killed and DNA 70 miles away by ex?? Ok maybe they were on drugs together, playing Russian roulette with LSD and then the mess happened?

Totally agree with you BTW and Pattis stated that he is working on proof that FD had no motive to kill JD. Can't wait to see what this involves!

 

[soccy]

Brilliant! Brava!

Think you just wrote the brief to support a gag order in this circus of a case!

Just when you thought Gone Girl strategy had gone then we get Kamikaze Revenge Suicide and yet more victim shaming. Sad IMO and totally unnecessary for this to all be happening.

Waiting for Alien abduction next.

 

[kimch33kim]

If NP was 'Unaware' the documents were sealed, then Why did he ask to have them un-sealed?

He can't ask them to be un-sealed and then say he was 'unaware' they were sealed.

He’s claiming he’s unaware that the documents he accidentally saw were the documents meant to be sealed. And then he is asking them to be unsealed because he wants to use them in his defense case for FD.

 

[SteveP]

And that’s fair. Each situation is different and should be judged accordingly.

I meant that you would never hear me saying that about FD. I will make no excuses for him, because, imo, there are none.

 

[JillR]

JD to FD: I am going to commit suicide and make it look like you did it.
FD to JD: OK cool, let me help you dispose of the bloody sponges and clothing.
JD to FD: Thanks, and can you hide my body after I commit suicide in my garage?

 

[afitzy]

Does anyone know why the GAL gave FD the psych report?

No. We don't yet know how the report came to be 'found' at FD house when his atty was searching for his passport (day he was released on bond).

My sense is that the GAL is not long for this case and the language from JD atty in court today about the report ending up with FD was quite strong. Sadly Judge Heller did nothing on this issue today but personally think the GAL has to be excused at a minimum as his integrity and possibly the integrity of FD divorce counsel are under a very very large dark cloud IMO.

GAL is in place to represent the interests of the CHILDREN. While we don't know how the report ended up where it did my best guess is that it was floating around in draft form (entire report isn't finished) and was given to FD Divorce atty who then gave it to FD.

We will see if Judge Heller does an investigation but for this report to be leaked even in part by Pattis would never be permitted in other jurisdictions in my experience. This is bush league behavior that probably is par for the course in CT Family Court Land but rarely made public and on a national/global news story and will be total fodder for JD atty to use in court on behalf of his client.

I hope we see a new judge in Family Court, serious sanctions, hefty fines and a new GAL but based on what we have seen so far from Judge Heller I'm not holding my breath or placing any wagers. Entire situation is pathetic IMO.

 

[CTGrammy]

Fotis Dulos says his children are ‘constantly on my mind’ while his lawyer suggests ‘revenge suicide’ is behind wife’s disappearance

"The status hearing before Judge Donna Heller in the two-year divorce proceedings and custody battle was called for by the court-appointed guardian ad litem of the children, Attorney Michael Meehan. Meehan on Tuesday filed a motion accusing Pattis of violating a court order when he commented publicly about parts of the sealed custody report and psychological evaluation completed for the couple’s divorce case — the file that Pattis seeks to have unsealed".

"In another motion filed by Pattis on Tuesday, he wrote that Dulos found a copy of the report in his Farmington home after he was released on bail and after at least one search of the home by state police investigators".

“It is the undersigned’s belief that Ms. Dulos was aware of the contents of the report, made statements about its recommendations to Mr. Dulos, and that she acted in accordance with her stated intention to do anything within her power to see to it that he was deprived of their children’s companionship,” Pattis said.

"During the hearing, an attorney for Farber Dulos said he was appalled that Dulos had the report, which should not have been in his possession".

"Pattis, in a motion seeking custody of the children, asked for the report to be unsealed. Heller instead ordered that all the copies of the report be given to Meehan. Heller told Pattis that he can view the report at court and take notes, but only in the presence of Meehan".

"Attorney Reuben Midler who represents Farber Dulos, attacked the veracity of the report, saying that it would not hold up in family court and was completed by an expert that would not be able to testify in family court. Heller said that the report would have no impact on her ruling".

After reading the above article and the above quotes I have grave reservations about the GAL in this case and seriously question why Judge Heller has done nothing to release him from the case effective immediately. HOW did FD get a copy of the report if not from the GAL? How can there be ZERO consequences to either FD or his atty No Case Norm for releasing the report to the public. Why is this being permitted to occur? Baffled.

Are we sure the GAL gave the document to FD? I hope not.

The GAL, Meehan is the one that filed the Motion against FD and NP, about the leaked information.

Check out this article in the Tuesday, June 25, Stamford Advocate.

Jennifer Dulos case: Search ends at trash plant, Pattis accused of violating court order

A hearing will be held at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday in Stamford family court at the request of Michael Meehan, a Bridgeport attorney and court-appointed guardian at litem for the five Dulos children.

In a motion filed Monday, Meehan has accused attorney Norm Pattis of violating a court order that sealed a recent custody and psychological evaluation that was done on Fotis and Jennifer Dulos and their five children.

The motion states Pattis, who is representing Fotis Dulos in his criminal and divorce cases, violated the order with statements he’s made to the media.

“As the court is well aware, this is a matter that has received significant public notoriety,” Meehan stated in the motion. “Based upon information and belief, there are quoted statements by Attorney Pattis about the report, which have been disseminated or published in written and electronic form via the media, which if true, are in direct violation of this court’s May 9, 2019 order.”

It said the order was made “to protect the emotional and psychological well being of the minor children.

 

[MemPat]

I’m thinking something more conventional and easily swung. Ie tire iron, crowbar, hammer, baseball bat, etc

I actually find hammer to be pretty plausible. Fairly common, easy to swing, easy to handle in a tight spacial situation. And can inflict lethal damage.

Whatever it was, there’s no doubt in my mind FD used it bc it was something he was confident in swinging and killing with. As I believe it was well planned, he would have used something that could be easily swung and would cause maximum damage.

Jmo and sorry for the likely visuals that my post will probably cause

Whatever he swung had to be heavy enough to stay intact while breaking her skull.

The trail of blood going up from a tire iron or baseball bat would have been long and likely ended up on the ceiling.

That would have really been a feat for Jennifer as she faked her own death, wouldn't it?

 

[sds71]

Fotis Dulos says his children are ‘constantly on my mind’ while his lawyer suggests ‘revenge suicide’ is behind wife’s disappearance
After reading the above article and the above quotes I have grave reservations about the GAL in this case and seriously question why Judge Heller has done nothing to release him from the case effective immediately. HOW did FD get a copy of the report if not from the GAL? How can there be ZERO consequences to either FD or his atty No Case Norm for releasing the report to the public. Why is this being permitted to occur? Baffled.

Was Meehan the G.A.L. that gave the report to NP or was it
Griffin?
I saw JDs atty wanted the G.A.L removed in May
I wasn’t sure if Meehan replaced Griffin or if they both worked together at one time.

 

[oviedo]

No. We don't yet know how the report came to be 'found' at FD house when his atty was searching for his passport (day he was released on bond).

My sense is that the GAL is not long for this case and the language from JD atty in court today about the report ending up with FD was quite strong. Sadly Judge Heller did nothing on this issue today but personally think the GAL has to be excused at a minimum as his integrity and possibly the integrity of FD divorce counsel are under a very very large dark cloud IMO.

GAL is in place to represent the interests of the CHILDREN. While we don't know how the report ended up where it did my best guess is that it was floating around in draft form (entire report isn't finished) and was given to FD Divorce atty who then gave it to FD.

We will see if Judge Heller does an investigation but for this report to be leaked even in part by Pattis would never be permitted in other jurisdictions in my experience. This is bush league behavior that probably is par for the course in CT Family Court Land but rarely made public and on a national/global news story and will be total fodder for JD atty to use in court on behalf of his client.

I hope we see a new judge in Family Court, serious sanctions, hefty fines and a new GAL but based on what we have seen so far from Judge Heller I'm not holding my breath or placing any wagers. Entire situation is pathetic IMO.

Yep

 

[oviedo]

Are we sure the GAL gave the document to FD? I hope not.

The GAL, Meehan is the one that filed the Motion against FD and NP, about the leaked information.

Check out this article in the Tuesday, June 25, Stamford Advocate.

Jennifer Dulos case: Search ends at trash plant, Pattis accused of violating court order

A hearing will be held at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday in Stamford family court at the request of Michael Meehan, a Bridgeport attorney and court-appointed guardian at litem for the five Dulos children.

In a motion filed Monday, Meehan has accused attorney Norm Pattis of violating a court order that sealed a recent custody and psychological evaluation that was done on Fotis and Jennifer Dulos and their five children.

The motion states Pattis, who is representing Fotis Dulos in his criminal and divorce cases, violated the order with statements he’s made to the media.

“As the court is well aware, this is a matter that has received significant public notoriety,” Meehan stated in the motion. “Based upon information and belief, there are quoted statements by Attorney Pattis about the report, which have been disseminated or published in written and electronic form via the media, which if true, are in direct violation of this court’s May 9, 2019 order.”

It said the order was made “to protect the emotional and psychological well being of the minor children.

GAL is covering his you know what IMO better late than never

 

[Bulldogs2]

Because IMO this judge has never held FD and his attorneys accountable for anything in this divorce litigation - she will blow this off as well JMO

Agreed. Apologize to Atty’s on this board but fami,y court here in CT is a joke.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Sorry but IMO FD went tit for tat with JD in motion after motion in Family Court and wasted nearly 2 years of the courts time and JD money/his childrens inheritance (as she was paying for virtually everything related to the litigation so far as I can tell) with continued non compliance with court order for information. I personally feel that saying violence of any kind is justified in the face of a dysfunctional court case is shameful and represents another means of victim shaming.

Sure most parents would like to be able to see their children but when the court stands between you that happening is there any justification for violence? In my mind the answer is a clear NO. Perhaps FD felt differently but we unfortunately don't know what he thought yet but I have confidence that LE will figure it out.

Oh, sorry, as I seem to have conveyed my views incorrectly; I was being (ok, trying to be) sarcastic about his methods and (apparently obtusely—sorry!) trying to say that the way he seems to think is far from what most of us see as the view from a loving parent. In no way am I defending him; I’ve read too much.

 

[JillR]

It’s story time again kids! Criss cross applesauce!! Get in a circle for a new story from Fotis DUFUS!

 

[Canchance]

I meant that you would never hear me saying that about FD. I will make no excuses for him, because, imo, there are none.

I understood. You judge the situation on its merits As opposed to siding with him simply because he’s the same gender as you

 

[Gardenista]

Are we sure the GAL gave the document to FD? I hope not.

The GAL, Meehan is the one that filed the Motion against FD and NP, about the leaked information.

Check out this article in the Tuesday, June 25, Stamford Advocate.

Jennifer Dulos case: Search ends at trash plant, Pattis accused of violating court order

A hearing will be held at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday in Stamford family court at the request of Michael Meehan, a Bridgeport attorney and court-appointed guardian at litem for the five Dulos children.

In a motion filed Monday, Meehan has accused attorney Norm Pattis of violating a court order that sealed a recent custody and psychological evaluation that was done on Fotis and Jennifer Dulos and their five children.

The motion states Pattis, who is representing Fotis Dulos in his criminal and divorce cases, violated the order with statements he’s made to the media.

“As the court is well aware, this is a matter that has received significant public notoriety,” Meehan stated in the motion. “Based upon information and belief, there are quoted statements by Attorney Pattis about the report, which have been disseminated or published in written and electronic form via the media, which if true, are in direct violation of this court’s May 9, 2019 order.”

It said the order was made “to protect the emotional and psychological well being of the minor children.

I read an article today that said GAL gave it to FD. Not sure which article it was, though

 

[afitzy]

I was wondering when MT’s attorney, Andrew Bowman, would tell both FD and NP to go jay walk in heavy traffic! Glad it has finally happened. I imagine that Bowman has been long frustrated with NP speaking on MT’s “behalf”as though NP is representing her.

Bowman must be frustrated as No Case Norm has spent more time talking about MT to the public than speaking on behalf of his own client FD but I also wonder if he is in on the Pattis act and they are working together? IDK but we do know both of the involved folks have credibility and certainly likeability challenges as they head into court IMO and I wonder if legally they both do better if they stay together vs splitting up as Bowman seems to want to do in his motion. I guess we will have to see how this plays out in the next hearing.

I wonder why Bowman didn't request that Pattis not speak about his client to the press? The motion filed by Bowman was quite clear but part of me believes MT stayed with FD through thick and thin and she isn't abandoning him now except to possibly save her own skin legally. MT/FD have been battle tested in their war against JD so I'm not sure how much of the order filed by Bowman I believe beyond the fact that its slick lawyering to keep his client out of prison or reduce her sentence. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Verified account 8h8 hours ago
“I just want to tell my children that they’re constantly on my mind and that I love them and miss them very much.” Fotis Dulos' brief statement following today's court appearance in divorce case. No mention of his estranged wife who disappeared May 24th. From Twitter @MarissaAlter.

And previously, his messages were about love for MT. I don’t recall that his love for those poor kids was mentioned publicly before today. MOO.

 

[CarefullyTaught]

Thanks for injecting a bit of optimism here as I had lost mine for today.

I guess I've been going through the public divorce documents slowly (nowhere near done) and just see more of Judge Hellers indecision and inaction being played out and it truly hit me hard today given how Pattis has been able to use confidential information meant for the court to paint a picture of a missing person that is not here to defend herself. I just wonder if Judge Heller is not comfortable in her role as Family Court Judge given her entire work history is in corporate litigation? IDK but these worlds are very far apart. I am in no way doubting her credentials but she seems out of her depth in Family Court. We can only watch and wait on the situation.

I do appreciate your optimism as its been totally dishearting to see the CT Judiciary/GAL etc. in action on the divorce/custody matter and under the microscope of the national press. Why would the GAL even give a copy of the report to FD to begin with? Do we know? Did JD atty. receive the same treatment with regards to the report from the GAL? This GAL has a history and IMO bears close scruitny.

IMO/MOO

While admittedly I am not fully familiar with this GAL’s history, I don’t know that we can assume GAL gave FD a copy of the report.

I am familiar with a situation years ago from another jurisdiction where the FD-type litigant in family court forged his spouse’s signature on a document, got his hands on a notary stamp (almost certainly without the knowledge or permission of the notary) and notarized the forged signature, then officially filed the document with the court — all without the court or the victimized spouse realizing this had fraudulently occurred. Brazen is the word used, I believe, by an upthread poster to describe FD’s conduct. ITA.

In a sociopath’s mind and worldview, the rules, laws, standards, ethics, values and principles of government, court, business, civil society and personal relationships simply do not concern them and do not apply to them. They seldom if ever give any thought to potential or actual consequences of their standard default operating violations, especially any long term or downstream negative impacts on others. It’s always about advancing their own objectives in the short term until a better prize presents itself, eliciting another con.

So ironic that FD’s lawyer is named Norm. If there’s one thing we know about FD, it’s that he couldn’t care less about norms.