Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*

[afitzy]

I was reading on this one link how to do it. It’s illegal and NO ONE should do it and if the phone company finds out they can ban you. But there are apps and a lot of times people do it to back up their own phone. Just in case. Like having a copy. But mostly I would think the reasons to do it are very sketchy. They said all phones are traceable though and can be tracked. But I still don’t understand much about it. But FoDu could have accomplished cloning using two iPhones or an iPhone and a Mac Pro which are the items LE seized and like as NP said “FD really wants them back!”

Yes, but say FD did clone to hide his physical location I would think LE/FBI/NSA tech would be needed to prove the clone job which seems doable according what I've read but it could take time.

I keep going back to the timeline and horrible traffic that am of missing morning. I truly wonder if he simply camped out at Sturbridge to eliminate the 1.5-2 hr drive down to NC in the am and then did the deed? If you take the am commute down to NC out of the timeline, the possibility of accomplishing everything that FD needed to get done and return to Farmington is totally doable IMO.

I also am puzzling why Pattis wants to bring the Greek person that was allegedly on the phone with Pattis to the US? With your cloning situation (or even without cloning having been done) the person that is on the phone with you frankly has zero way of knowing where you are these days with all the call forwarding tech features on both home and cell phones IMO. All this Greek person can perhaps say is that I was on the phone with FD at 9:10am on the missing date and not sure what value this provides as we have no body, no time of death and so far as I know the blood spatter can't in and of itself specify time of death.

 

[cottow]

If there is a secluded area btwn Waveny and JD's house the perp could have parked there and jogged to her house. This would make any body transfer from her car to his less noticeable. Or, there could have been no body transfer and the perp simply used her car to dispose of the body in/near NC. IMHO.

if someone else is involved, i believe they drove the red pickup. dropped him off around JDs home then they possible had a meeting spot to dump body. they dont leave the other bags with body there cause they dont want the connection of JDs home. They are focused on the wav park "abduction run" story. They were focused on leaving the car there for a reason.

 

[afitzy]

This is quite interesting, I use a landline

Yes, but even landlines allow your calls to be forwarded to another phone or cell phone. So, you can get your calls and not be physically near the landline phone. As an example, some people/companies want a NYC number so they set it up electronically to be identified as a NYC number but when call comes in it is routed to them whereever they happen to be located.

 

[sds71]

I'm originally from North Joisey
I'd be surprised if it was a hit man
lots of better spots for bodies
unless FD's check bounced

 

[Curiousgus]

It was interesting to me just by the timing. I keep thinking that they’ve got to find her remains, but it seems like she has vanished. When this news came up I figured I’d post it. It is very unlikely but this case is already so out there...

 

[afitzy]

also his project mgr. of 12 yrs. was foreign born, either French or Canadian.

The MT citizenship question was debated but MSM other than saying she was born in TN never actually said she was a US citizen. We've seen MSM reports that MT was a citizen of Veneuzuela and resided for a number of years in Argentina but I'm not sure she was a citizen of Argentina either even though her partner/spouse was Argentinian. Will keep searching but I think this question of citizenship is still open. My understanding is that even if you are born in US that you have to file paperwork to get citizenship but perhaps I am wrong? IDK. Will have to research this further and get back on thread with some answers a I'm honestly not sure.

 

[clearskies1]

if someone else is involved, i believe they drove the red pickup. dropped him off around JDs home then they possible had a meeting spot to dump body. they dont leave the other bags with body there cause they dont want the connection of JDs home. They are focused on the wav park "abduction run" story. They were focused on leaving the car there for a reason.

Yes, very possible if an accomplice. My theories were no accomplice theories, with her car still winding up at Waveny (with jogging involved).

 

[Tink56]

Yes, but say FD did clone to hide his physical location I would think LE/FBI/NSA tech would be needed to prove the clone job which seems doable according what I've read but it could take time.

I keep going back to the timeline and horrible traffic that am of missing morning. I truly wonder if he simply camped out at Sturbridge to eliminate the 1.5-2 hr drive down to NC in the am and then did the deed? If you take the am commute down to NC out of the timeline, the possibility of accomplishing everything that FD needed to get done and return to Farmington is totally doable IMO.

I also am puzzling why Pattis wants to bring the Greek person that was allegedly on the phone with Pattis to the US? With your cloning situation (or even without cloning having been done) the person that is on the phone with you frankly has zero way of knowing where you are these days with all the call forwarding tech features on both home and cell phones IMO. All this Greek person can perhaps say is that I was on the phone with FD at 9:10am on the missing date and not sure what value this provides as we have no body, no time of death and so far as I know the blood spatter can't in and of itself specify time of death.

Has NP mentioned the Greek phone alibi recently? Early on, that person was supposed to arrive the Thursday or Friday after FD's arrest. I haven't heard anything about that since....but, I haven't read or watched all the media posted.

 

[Kapua]

I think the body was removed from JD's home in her vehicle and that traces of her blood will be found in it.

I totally agree. Forensic testing will tell the tale. MOO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, but say FD did clone to hide his physical location I would think LE/FBI/NSA tech would be needed to prove the clone job which seems doable according what I've read but it could take time.

I keep going back to the timeline and horrible traffic that am of missing morning. I truly wonder if he simply camped out at Sturbridge to eliminate the 1.5-2 hr drive down to NC in the am and then did the deed? If you take the am commute down to NC out of the timeline, the possibility of accomplishing everything that FD needed to get done and return to Farmington is totally doable IMO.

I also am puzzling why Pattis wants to bring the Greek person that was allegedly on the phone with Pattis to the US? With your cloning situation (or even without cloning having been done) the person that is on the phone with you frankly has zero way of knowing where you are these days with all the call forwarding tech features on both home and cell phones IMO. All this Greek person can perhaps say is that I was on the phone with FD at 9:10am on the missing date and not sure what value this provides as we have no body, no time of death and so far as I know the blood spatter can't in and of itself specify time of death.

I highly doubt FD cloned his phone. It's not an easy task and as far as we know FD isn't advanced in this area. On top of that, every cell phone contains a radio fingerprint that's unique to the cell phone even when cloned. Cellular companies are able to detect cloned phones when the fingerprint doesn't match up between the device ID and phone number attached to the device.
jmo

 

[afitzy]

Ok, so FD wasn’t the greatest businessperson or builder, and he was a sleazy aggressive @#& on top. But the real thing that hit Fore Group the hardest was the terrible real estate market in CT between 2012-now. Between 2012-2017 CT had the slowest housing market in the country and the biggest problem is at the highest end. High earners continue to leave the state in droves. His whole model didn’t work, and is only getting worse. For those who live in CT and are in this demographic, I know you get what I’m saying. For others a quick google can confirm that this is what likely hit Fore the hardest, and FDs poor management, playboy lifestyle, and abusive personality just made it all the worse.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree with your assessment of the CT real estate market - it was terrible and still today is soft and things can take a year+ to sell. Overall terrible market.

But, what I don't get is that someone in touch with the market would see this happening and NOT BUILD MORE HOUSES IMO. It was this choice to keep building and stockpiling unsalable houses that tipped me off to the financial angle going on with the situation. IMO this wasn't a guy that was building a business for the long run (would argue to conserve capital in a downturn and perhaps build smaller more affordable homes) but was doing the same old same old to get whatever money could be had from FIL/GF IMO (ie. take the money are run/hide it strategy).

The thing is that even in a soft CT market there are niches that are profitable for builders (smaller homes, single level, close to town built for downsizers). FD had to have seen other niches but didn't attack them or dodge and weave in a tough market. He just kept building monster sized houses and holding on to them. Sure in NC there are folks (like the people that purchased Hemlock property) that want the monster sized house. But, if you look at what is selling in NC its not those monster sized houses located in the woods.

 

[afitzy]

Has NP mentioned the Greek phone alibi recently? Early on, that person was supposed to arrive the Thursday or Friday after FD's arrest. I haven't heard anything about that since....but, I haven't read or watched all the media posted.

Nope. Pattis has been oddly quiet. I've been enjoying the silence to tell you the truth!

 

[cottow]

Yes, very possible if an accomplice. My theories were no accomplice theories, with her car still winding up at Waveny (with jogging involved).[/QUOt

that was my initial thinking as well, so i agree he could have done this solo. the poison ivy i think plays into it. left red pickup in somehwere between JDs home and wav park (closer to wav park). disguised himself and jogged to her home to wait for her. she gets home around 8:45 and altercation takes literally 15 minutes. by 9am he is in scramble, clean up mode. by 10:30 he packs up her car and goes to predetrmined spot to dump body. then drives to red pickup, tosses bags in back and then leaves her car in wav park area. disguised and walks back to his red pickup and heads home.

i dont think body was at trash center. i think its somehwere in NC between JDs home and wav park.

 

[cottow]

Yes, very possible if an accomplice. My theories were no accomplice theories, with her car still winding up at Waveny (with jogging involved).

that was my initial thinking as well, so i agree he could have done this solo. the poison ivy i think plays into it. left red pickup in somehwere between JDs home and wav park (closer to wav park). disguised himself and jogged to her home to wait for her. she gets home around 8:45 and altercation takes literally 15 minutes. by 9am he is in scramble, clean up mode. by 10:30 he packs up her car and goes to predetrmined spot to dump body. then drives to red pickup, tosses bags in back and then leaves her car in wav park area. disguised and walks back to his red pickup and heads home.

i dont think body was at trash center. i think its somehwere in NC between JDs home and wav park.

 

[CTGrammy]

The reason I am so curious about cloning is bc NP let us all know multiple times that he had a morning “meeting” with an attorney (IMO FaceTime phone call), a call from Greece and an afternoon meeting so he had most of the morning “occupied” and had no time to go to NC and kill JD and clean up the crime scene and dump her Tahoe and drive back to Farmington. Then we learned from the ever chatty NP that MT basically can prove he was nowhere near MC bc she was with him?

Anywho back to cloning...as it relates to the items LE seized from FoDu.

“Fotis Dulos’s attorneys file 2 discovery motions asking that the state preserve all evidence gathered through video/audio recordings, notes, transcripts. They also are asking for the state to return three vehicles, 2 iPhones, a Mac book pro and other computers seized.”

Jennifer Dulos disappearance reaches day 25, Fotis Dulos files motion to get back evidence seized

Now I know that FoDu is not the brightest bulb in the strand but could he easily have used one iPhone to clone the other? OR have used the Mac Book Pro to clone his iPhone? Or used his Mac Book Pro to make phone calls?JMO.

Did y’all know that some people have found out their phone has been cloned when their phone company asks them if they have been traveling? Bc imagine sitting at home chilling but someone has cloned your phone and is driving around robbing banks?

Absolutely Yes, I have my phone cloned by my Mac and by my iPad.

Neither my iPad nor my Mac have any phone number associated with them, but yet, I can make and receive calls and IM's on these devices as if they were my iPhone.

I am not sure how being able to do that, would help FD, since I do not know how the cloning works, as for the pings and such.

 

[Scanner]

Jene Casarez from HLN spent the day in NC yesterday speaking with LE & others. She says there is pending multiple charges coming & possibly others will be charged that we haven’t heard of. They will have a special feature tomorrow between 2 -3 airing Jene’s findings.

 

[clearskies1]

that was my initial thinking as well, so i agree he could have done this solo. the poison ivy i think plays into it. left red pickup in somehwere between JDs home and wav park (closer to wav park). disguised himself and jogged to her home to wait for her. she gets home around 8:45 and altercation takes literally 15 minutes. by 9am he is in scramble, clean up mode. by 10:30 he packs up her car and goes to predetrmined spot to dump body. then drives to red pickup, tosses bags in back and then leaves her car in wav park area. disguised and walks back to his red pickup and heads home.

i dont think body was at trash center. i think its somehwere in NC between JDs home and wav park.

That makes a lot of sense for the body to be near Waveny b/c if it is located its placement would support the Waveny stranger assault cover story. I agree with you that the body was not at the trash center. JMO.

 

[Websleuth 007]

Jene Casarez from HLN spent the day in NC yesterday speaking with LE & others. She says there is pending multiple charges coming & possibly others will be charged that we haven’t heard of. They will have a special feature tomorrow between 2 -3 airing Jene’s findings.

Following up - HLN promoting one hr special on Wed 7/3 from 2-3pm Ea - Special Report “ Mother of Five Vanishes “ live from NC - FYI

 

[clearskies1]

Jene Casarez from HLN spent the day in NC yesterday speaking with LE & others. She says there is pending multiple charges coming & possibly others will be charged that we haven’t heard of. They will have a special feature tomorrow between 2 -3 airing Jene’s findings.

So maybe some people were paid to help...JMO.

 

[Chessman]

I agree that it’s not the best laid-out plan, but don’t underestimate the FD types. Relentless overachievers, objectively probably very smart and savvy, and narcissistic and used to getting whatever they want. He was a champion water and snow skier so obviously very fit and adrenaline only helps out there. Plus the satisfaction of doing “the impossible” using his superior fitness and smarts to get away with the murder of his wife. Just watch all those idiots searching at Waveny Park! Go ahead, trace my phone and truck, you’ll see it wasnt actually me in NC that day!
That scenario seems totally possible if needed, but likely not best case.
Which is why I think he’d had revenge fantasies about getting rid of her and some plans in place but the specifics of that day unfolded a little more spontaneously- maybe something in his early morning meeting with the attorney drive him over the edge and made that the day.
He didn’t anticipate such a mess and thus was left with more bags and residue than he anticipated. He probably had schemed out a place/means for the body in his fantasies, plus the waveny car dump. But there were some wild cards in the mix that threw things off, too.
I agree that it seems easier if he had an accomplice or at least some unwitting help here or there. But if it were more spontaneous that day he might not have had time to put that in place, and he’s likely be so satisfied with himself for being able to accomplish the feat on his own.

Think about it: You've just killed someone who you have 5 kids with; would have at that point had to do all the clean-up alone in the garage resulting in around 30 big black 40 or so gallon contractor bags of debris. His vehicle was in the driveway. If there was blood in or around her Suburban that would all have to be cleaned up. After the clean up with all the debris, a criminal would want to put that into his truck and get out of there ASAP. Instead his hatched plan involves driving her Suburban to Waveny 3 miles away. So he would do that alone, and on the jogging theory, get out of the Suburban with running shoes and suit, run the hilly terrain back to Welles Lane taking the chance of being seen which could easily unravel his plan. The whole idea is to leave no trace for the cops. And on the JD corpus being ditched somewhere else, he could have just as easily brought those up to Farmington; as the cops only retrieved one or two of the bags.