Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #15 *ARRESTS*

[Midwestmom2019]

Any thoughts how the affair between FD and MT started? Research indicates it is not the sex, despite its lure. Something’s usually missing in the marriage that the cheater needs/wants. And finds it elsewhere. I have my own thoughts.

 

[Jmoose]

Do we know if MT would even know who Kevin Smith was by appearance alone if he wasn't pointed out to her?

I think they were all in the same courtroom last month during the arraignment-she might not specifically know who he is, but she probably does, because Loverboy (FD) was flanked by the two ponytailed lawyers

 

[Jmoose]

Fotis RE-entering her life was a well thought out plan. IMO, it was not a coincidence that they “ran into” each other at the Denver airport. Or that he “found himself” living less than 2 miles away from her, per her blogs.
No. He had a plan. It might not have been JFD, but it was any one that fit a detailed target. She just happened to fit his ideal woman description for a future partner and fell into his trap.

I think it is possible, based on some things she wrote in her blog, that she had a thing for him in college, and he knew it. And then acted upon it when the time was right for him to. If she had a thing for him from their younger days, all he had to do was be present in her orbit, to make his play for her. I don’t think he ever loved her, because he didn’t act like it.

 

[Rosiebones]

I think it is possible, based on some things she wrote in her blog, that she had a thing for him in college, and he knew it. And then acted upon it when the time was right for him to. If she had a thing for him from their younger days, all he had to do was be present in her orbit, to make his play for her. I don’t think he ever loved her, because he didn’t act like it.

Narcissists don't love anyone but themselves.

 

[Rosiebones]

Do we know how the court defined "no contact" with FD or his attorneys ? I can understand conversations or written contact, but did the court spell out a distance, for example, no closer that 30 feet or not in the same room at the same time?
How come her attorney didn't bring it up to the judge? Perhaps it was stretching the order but not breaking it, much like FD and NP do all the time.
I don't think we should underestimate the influence of her parents or the advice of her attorney.

 

[afitzy]

It is possible that if the police dept. pursues the camera purchase and installation it comes out of their budget, if they punt it back to P and R then it comes out of their budget. MOO

Yes, you are sadly probably correct. NC has had issues with P and R not understanding the complete ramifications and full details of large projects which are beyond their expertise (eg. very expensive multi million dollar turf field project which went significantly overbudget).

How/Why would you expect P and R to be capable of drafting security related RFP? Have to do more research on the dialog at the last Selectman meeting on this topic to see if NCPD had scoped out the RFP and P and R is just handling the bidding process.

I don't understand also why NCPD would not want to take full control of the process as they are ultimately the party responsible for the safety of the citizens of NC and users of the park? It seems difficult to understand how a P and R that has zero security expertise would even go about scoping an RFP. The more I write about this the less I understand so will go back and read the minutes from Selectman meeting where the NCPD Chief spoke about this issue.

Edited to add update:

New Canaan discusses cameras in Waveny Park

IMO looks like a bit of political football or total miscommunication amongst the various group involved that is going on as it relates to public safety and if true is quite disappointing. Very disappointing to not see Chief of NCPD taking the lead on this issue of public safety in the parks.

Here is article which describes what appears to be turf related issues on the issue.

Jennifer Dulos disappearance: New Canaan considers ‘limited’ cameras for Waveny

Quotes from article:

"The three-person Police Commission had an “informal discussion” on cameras in the park during its meeting Wednesday, Chairman Sperry DeCew said".

"The commissioners do not plan to do a study. Instead they believe it should be up to Parks and Recreation to do the research, DeCew said".

“We didn’t set up a study. We would expect to be cooperating with them,
since it is their bailiwick,” he said.

"This is not consistent with the the expectations of First Selectman Kevin Moynihan". [BBM]

“The police are responsible about making recommendations about safety,” Moynihan said at the Town Council meeting soon after the Police Commission met

“I am waiting for a recommendation both from Parks and Recreation and the police,” he said. [BBM]

Stay tuned. Looks on the surface like politics and public safety are sadly clashing in NC which unfortunately has been what has happened in the past. What is not understandable is why First Selectman (effectively the town mayor) cannot issue a direct order to NCPD to handle what is by definition a security matter? Totally baffling. If anyone local has any direct knowledge and is able to contribute an explanation it would be much appreciated.

 

[afitzy]

Do we know how the court defined "no contact" with FD or his attorneys ? I can understand conversations or written contact, but did the court spell out a distance, for example, no closer that 30 feet or not in the same room at the same time?
How come her attorney didn't bring it up to the judge? Perhaps it was stretching the order but not breaking it, much like FD and NP do all the time.
I don't think we should underestimate the influence of her parents or the advice of her attorney.

No contact was very broadly defined to include contact of any sort and including 3rd parties. IMO Atty Smith should not have been in that courtroom and if he were interested in the proceedings should have waited for the transcript to become available.

IMO it was intimidation pure and simple. Message was that we see you and know where you live and that you aren't able to be found anywhere and you are never safe. This is the kind of thing that routinely happens in courts in other parts of the world where judicial corruption is prevalent. I never in a million years thought such a thing wouldn't be stopped in CT. Very disappointing turn of events IMO.

Video of court appearance where no contact was discussed:
No contact order applies to estranged husband in missing mom case

Quote from above article:
"However, the granted motion, filed on behalf of Troconis, asked the court to prohibit Fotis Dulos and his attorneys, agents or representatives from having any contact with her whatsoever".
MOO

 

[BellaVita]

Any thoughts how the affair between FD and MT started? Research indicates it is not the sex, despite its lure. Something’s usually missing in the marriage that the cheater needs/wants. And finds it elsewhere. I have my own thoughts.

For the people with character disorders, nothing has to be missing from the marriage. Narcissistic people are bored of what they have even if the sex, money, and partner is perfect for them. Every person they meet is a means to an end, usually financially. FD didn't start the affair because of mistreatment at home though I do understand how that can cause some affairs. He was in a trap of his own making. Imagine being in a marriage of convenience because you feel you can't accomplish what you want to do in life through your own efforts/money? Narcs hate that they have to need or rely on another person. That's where the devalue stage comes in. He had to devalue JD in order to justify his own actions. Also, he would have had enormous contempt for her, knowing that he was playing her for a fool. When there is contempt, it is REALLY over. IMO.

 

[Alwaystyping]

Wow. That photo of MT and mommy with glee-ridden smiles upon court exit...

She sauntered around court on Thursday in stabbing stilettos and designer whites, with continuing evidence tampering charges including video documentation of having participated in disposing the blood of another human being— with a SMILE.

This MT is cold to the core.

I’m not buying any version of MT being afraid, intimidated, or otherwise concerned about the court’s or anyone’s opinion.

Nor am I buying that MT ever intended actual separation from FD. MT has been in bloody lockstep with FD at every Albany Ave turn.

This MT is a steely, manipulative, highly strategic, and thoroughly intentional person; a victim or pawn of no one; a laser-focused opportunist with a curriculum vitae of unbridled narcissism (horses notwithstanding haha); and a lifetime mantra of selfish self-actualization and extreme self-care. Nobody and no body troubles her mind.

Therefore I do not see her helping LE or ever doing the right thing. No amount of money or promise of a lesser sentence would matter. Her shameful biography speaks for itself.

And frankly I hope she doesn’t help so she can enjoy the full sentence she very honestly earned.

Justice for Jennifer... I will always remember you.

IMO.

 

[soccy]

Keep the faith...I can think of several prominent cases in which even the families had very few updates from LE where suddenly there was an arrest, sometimes after a body was found. Body discovery can take time. Remember the Laci Peterson body and her unborn son's weren't found for almost 4 months. The very fact they were ever found was miraculous, IMO. Her family heard very little from LE during that stretch of time, evidently LE had eyes on Scott all the time.

As frustrating as this situation seems, LE is very actively following all leads and looking at all the evidence. The sheer number of cars and possible routes must be over whelming. There is at least one witness to the dumping of the trash; perhaps car wash personnel can identify FD having a vehicle cleaned; we know there was some identifiable FD DNA inside the home; we know the divorce and finance aspects of their relationship could certainly provide motive; and, we don't know what EE, MT, or the other EE may have to say or what may have been found at the trash place.

"Hope is a thing with Feathers"....hang on to it!

I agree - i think they want this to be airtight. MOO

 

[NWLady]

@CarefullyTaught, Nope. You missed nothing. Pattis was grandstanding and Judge at the arraignment shut down the August date while still acknowleding FD right to speedy trial. Still thinking about this entire exchange and wondered what if anything does Pattis know about JD body or was this pure BS and poetry on part of Pattis? Was Pattis making a bet on no body murder charges never sticking or even whether murder charges would ever be filed? Entire idea of August trial seemed foolish and a foolhardy move IMO.

But I'm still wondering why he did it? I know he was and still is desperate for any info from the State but why push for August trial? Seemed nuts when investigation was in early days yet....

My thoughts on that are that I think he was pushing for an August court date just to be boastful and basically give the impression that his client/FD is innocent and there isn't anything going to be found, etc. so he/NP was wanting to give the impression of let's get the show on the road and get this over with as quick as possible because this is all a waste of time and we can end it real quick.

This is JMO of why NP was pushing for the August court date.

 

[Daisyeve]

Any thoughts how the affair between FD and MT started? Research indicates it is not the sex, despite its lure. Something’s usually missing in the marriage that the cheater needs/wants. And finds it elsewhere. I have my own thoughts.

I wonder when the affair actually really started. Maybe he wanted someone with connections for things he wanted? And someone to be bad with and go on trips with so he could punish his wife and leave her alone for days with five very young children. Someone willing to move into the family home with his wife and five children and live as a mistress which forced JD, the only person in the relationship that cared and loved the children to have to move out to protect them from this evil. And maybe he was looking for someone that wouldn’t question his master plan of making his wife disappear and cover it up but would help him? Someone heartless like him? (MOO)

 

[BellaVita]

As far as FD telling JD about MT moving into the home with them, a guy like him says outrageous things like that without ever intending to follow through. It is part of psychological terrorism. And because JD had come to know what he is capable of, anything was possible. And because of the contempt he had for JD, knowing that he was using HER money to carry out an affair, that was a thrill for him. The ultimate payback for standing in his way.

 

[Not a Belle]

I wonder when the affair actually really started. Maybe he wanted someone with connections for things he wanted? And someone to be bad with and go on trips with so he could punish his wife and leave her alone for days with five very young children. Someone willing to move into the family home with his wife and five children and live as a mistress which forced JD, the only person in the relationship that cared and loved the children to have to move out to protect them from this evil. And maybe he was looking for someone that wouldn’t question his master plan of making his wife disappear and cover it up but would help him? Someone heartless like him? (MOO)

I think it started at whatever point MT became useful to him.

 

[merrymary]

The FD/JD photo infuriates me. Mr. Macho can't even be bothered hugging his beautiful wife. I hope he's quickly adopted in lockup by a loving wife who demands lots of pats and attention.

Interesting...hands in pocket as well like MT

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Fotis RE-entering her life was a well thought out plan. IMO, it was not a coincidence that they “ran into” each other at the Denver airport. Or that he “found himself” living less than 2 miles away from her, per her blogs.
No. He had a plan. It might not have been JFD, but it was any one that fit a detailed target. She just happened to fit his ideal woman description for a future partner and fell into his trap.

I’m a broken (scratched seems more correct now that I think about it!) record* here...I see a possible line of starting with:

—Greece is having money issues and so, it seems, is his family.

—The person FD cares about more than anyone else other than himself is his sister (who makes their company name after an older sister especially when your wife and her family are bankrolling it? But still: What is the influence there?).

—FD comes to the United States to make money and help the sister and family (and please think about how selfish he appears to be otherwise—even with MT since their continued association is not good for her but still he persists).

—FD gets a good education and will make good money presumably the honest way and FD marries a woman who is a lawyer and thus will presumably make good money as well, allowing him potentially to send money to his sister and family in Greece.

—FD knew of a beautiful woman (not that I think that was the allure for him) who had a LOT of money and a family with even more money from school and realizes she is not married from whatever source—not so hard as she wrote, etc. FD knows that her money will give him and his sister/family in Greece much more than a lawyer wife can, and he decides to try for JD. If she won’t cooperate, he still has the lawyer wife. If she will, well, he can leave the lawyer wife amicably after that short time and go to JD and make all his monetary/help his sister dreams come true.

—JD is a writer, a romantic, and a kind soul based on what we’ve read from her writing and from others and she knew him from school so she’s not as much on her guard as if someone she didn’t know that way showed up. She’s ready for her next life adventure and she wants a happy story—because who doesn’t? And while nothing ever is a sure thing, she has good reason to hope for happiness: she’s smart, beautiful, kind, rich, and—tragically—she sees the best in others. And so it possibly goes.

—And to borrow a bit from the late Paul Harvey**, we know (almost) the rest of the story.

I don’t think it’s a stretch. I do think it’s sad. It’s also IMHO only.


*People younger than me may need to Google this.

**Younger people, you may need to Google again.

 

[Daisyeve]

I’m a broken (scratched seems more correct now that I think about it!) record* here...I see a possible line of starting with:

—Greece is having money issues and so, it seems, is his family.

—The person FD cares about more than anyone else other than himself is his sister (who makes their company name after an older sister especially when your wife and her family are bankrolling it? But still: What is the influence there?).

—FD comes to the United States to make money and help the sister and family (and please think about how selfish he appears to be otherwise—even with MT since their continued association is not good for her but still he persists).

—FD gets a good education and will make good money presumably the honest way and FD marries a woman who is a lawyer and thus will presumably make good money as well, allowing him potentially to send money to his sister and family in Greece.

—FD knew of a beautiful woman (not that I think that was the allure for him) who had a LOT of money and a family with even more money from school and realizes she is not married from whatever source—not so hard as she wrote, etc. FD knows that her money will give him and his sister/family in Greece much more than a lawyer wife can, and he decides to try for JD. If she won’t cooperate, he still has the lawyer wife. If she will, well, he can leave the lawyer wife amicably after that short time and go to JD and make all his monetary/help his sister dreams come true.

—JD is a writer, a romantic, and a kind soul based on what we’ve read from her writing and from others and she knew him from school so she’s not as much on her guard as if someone she didn’t know that way showed up. She’s ready for her next life adventure and she wants a happy story—because who doesn’t? And while nothing ever is a sure thing, she has good reason to hope for happiness: she’s smart, beautiful, kind, rich, and—tragically—she sees the best in others. And so it possibly goes.

—And to borrow a bit from the late Paul Harvey**, we know (almost) the rest of the story.

I don’t think it’s a stretch. I do think it’s sad. It’s also IMHO only.


*People younger than me may need to Google this.

**Younger people, you may need to Google again.

I wish she had adopted another dog before she met him.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I think they were all in the same courtroom last month during the arraignment-she might not specifically know who he is, but she probably does, because Loverboy (FD) was flanked by the two ponytailed lawyers

As far as I can tell from the docket (and I’m no expert at reading those especially from another area), Smith had no court case there at that time. MOO. I could be very wrong.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I wish she had adopted another dog before she met him.

I thought somewhere early on, MS media said she did. MOO, if she did, FD didn’t like the dog and it didn’t like him. Just based on my experiences.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I decided to read more on the FD/RD relationship just through mainstream media (as I believe that is allowed). I’ll go read those rules again. In the link below, FD’s sister talks about how she almost raised him.

Rena Dulos defends brother, says she was once close with Jennifer Dulos