Silver Alert CT- Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #2

[MyBelle]

Okay. So this clears it up. Per the current petition to intervene on behalf of the grandmother, the father, FD, did NOT have unsupervised access to the kids and that was not coming up.

From the time of the dissolution action in late June 2012,we don't know what the exact custody orders were. But we know he had a lot of access, per news reports.

But in January 2018 and March 2018, per two different court orders, (January was probably a temporary, emergency order pending the hearing on March 1, 2018 when the court stated, "the court does not find the defendant to be credible. The defendant does not seem to appreciate in any respect the consequences of lying under oath and willfully violating a court order. His facility in testifying falsely to the court suggests that he is equally comfortable in encouraging the children to lie and achieve his desired outcome"), the father's visits were totally suspended. That's unusual. I am guessing it was at both hearings that experts were appointed to asses the case and the best interests of the kids, because that would be logical and because the court also found, as the March 1, 2018 order indicates, that there was an immediate risk of psych harm to the kids and she cites the GAL's input.

Starting in June 2018, the father had limited, supervised access to the kids, between June 2018 and March 2019.

Per the grandmother's motion, at a hearing on March 20, 2019, "the court issued a decision affording the defendant with certain on-going supervised access to the children, which he exercised between approximately March 20, 2019 and May 24, 2019." The motion then goes on to detail the very strict restrictions of that visitation,including not being allowed to be alone with the kids,speak Greek to them, disparage his ex or any of the court appointed personnel, etc.

This is exactly as the news reported.

There is no mention at all of the visits magically becoming unsupervised for Memorial Day weekend. It appears clear he had more time with the kids but not unsupervised access. It is also important that she is mentioning his restricted access, supervisions, etc., in connection with her request to intervene and be given custody of the kids. Because she's saying that his restrictions make granting her custody more reasonable , especially now that mom has disappeared and he probably killed her.

I hope that's all now clear and we can stop blaming the judge's court orders for the unrelated murder of Jennifer Farber.

https://media.wtnh.com/nxs-wtnhtv-media-us-east-1/document_dev/2019/06/04/Jun 4, Doc 1_1559668712212_90689131_ver1.0.pdf

BBM. I totally agree!

 

[gitana1]

Yes. Simple. When one parent actively endangers the welfare and safety and lives of his/her children, (so much evidence of this presented just in these threads) the court needs to take action to protect those children from that parent. The case comes before that court for such action. And I totally disagree about the fact that the judge's inexperience in family law had a negative effect here. But that is not to say that family law judges are any better at doing the right thing, as a rule. As I have said the system is broken. Families are broken, the system is broken and the world is broken. But still, one judge, in one case, one person in one situation can make a difference by doing the right thing, at any time, or all the time. It's that simple. The system is set up to make money; lawyers are more interested in that than in the welfare of children involved. Judges can be corrupt and bought off by one party. I think there is more than enough evidence to satisfy you that the court has not performed as it should have in this case. Jennifer is dead. She sacrificed herself so that her children could live and grow up. She knew that he would never stop torturing her or them. No one protected her from her ex-husband. The children are safe only by the Grace of God and their grandmother and nanny, and likely the careful planning of their late Mother.

Ma'am I have been a family law attorney for 17 years. This judge issued highly restrictive orders and made very critical statements on the record about the defendant. She hired experts to evaluate the situation and maintained highly restrictive orders. Which is fairly rare except in cases with out of control addicts trying to get access to their kids.

There was nothing else she could have done. She was very proactive in protecting the kids. She did exactly the right thing under the circumstances, in my professional experience. I'm not sure what orders you feel she could have issued but didn't?

Also, she IS a family law judge. I don't think you are understanding the term. She works in family law so she is a family law judge. Again, judges are expected to work in all departments and very, very few have family law litigation experience when appointed.

Family law judges are not bought off by one party. I don't even know how that would be possible, in a technical sense. That's the fantastical suspicions of people who aren't getting what they want in the court and think their case is somehow as important as those impacted by political judicial elections, such as corporate interest cases on a federal level. And in such cases the nature of any alleged corruption consists of special interests helping to elect a judge who then rules their way.

I have not once seen a family law judge "bought off" in any case in 17 years of practice. Yes they can make bad decisions but it is frankly ludicrous to suggest that these judges who are carefully selected for their reputations for honesty, dedication, work ethic and measured personalities, are prone to corruption in cases that don't have national, economic/political impacts.

This isn't t.v.. It's real life.

Most lawyers are not more interested in money than the welfare of the kids involved. That's insulting. Many of us worry about these cases quite a bit. But we also can't be expected to fix the mess people make of their lives through conscious decisions to make families with absolute losers.

Her children WERE protected by this judge. Remarkably so. There was nothing before the court to protect her, though and judges can't issue orders without a request being made to do so.

Finally, once again, there was no order this judge could have made to prevent that maniac from murdering his wife.

In every case I see the urge to cast blame on some third party (sometimes the victim themselves) for what has happened. I have had that urge too.

But in this case the only one to blame is the defendant and his girlfriend. This is not a problem of the system. It's murder.

 

[SuperTmo]

I agree (because I believe there was a plan in place, imo only of course), but I run into trouble with the idea that JD "sacrificed herself." Her husband killed her IMO. She didn't volunteer; it was not a noble decision; he killed her. It just feels to me that saying she sacrificed herself romanticizes the situation. Definitely my opinion only.

Yessss. That whole she sacrificed herself thing just isn’t true and IMO it is disrespectful to her. JD would have done anything in her power to stay here with her kids and I’m sure she fought like heck for the chance. Saying she sacrificed herself because she knew that FD would never stop terrorizing the kids makes it sound like she let him kill her so he would end up in prison. A sacrifice is a willful decision. JD wanted to live. She wanted to kiss her children goodnight, she wanted to raise her babies. She didn’t sacrifice any of that. It was viciously stolen from her.

 

[LVatty10]

Can a small private plane fly non-stop to Venezuela?

Sorry, I’m way behind. But husband pilot says yes.

 

[bestill]

Can a small private plane fly non-stop to Venezuela?

That's interesting. How does customs work at private airports? Haven't really given that much thought.

 

[oviedo]

I think we all can agree that she is not with her children now because of two people - FD and MT. The divorce litigation has shined a light on the process and potential outcome for all involved. It’s normal to find a way to blame someone or something for a senseless death and thus potentially prevent this from happening again to another family - it’s a terrible situation but I don’t think anything could have stopped the dynamic duo from doing her harm- not pepper spray, security systems, a gun, a restraining order etc she was killed because those two wanted her dead - IMO

 

[afitzy]

That's correct. According to the grandmother's court filing, JD and her children were already planning to visit her in NYC that day. I think it was JD's friends who notified LE that day.

JMO

The missing persons report was filed by a 'friend of JD' and JD mother according to the NCPD statement early in this missing case.

 

[Area52]

No it did not. A relaxed SCHEDULE means FD had more time with the children but the visitation was still supervised and other restrictions were also in place. For example, no private conversations with the children and no interaction with MT or her child.

JMO

You asked where it was stated there was "relaxed visitation". This MSM article, along with many others, show that it existed, as per the judges ruling. If you disagree, so be it. It has been published more than once. I believe that is known as a link!

No it did not. A relaxed SCHEDULE means FD had more time with the children but the visitation was still supervised and other restrictions were also in place. For example, no private conversations with the children and no interaction with MT or her child.

JMO

 

[SuperTmo]

While I agree the court is in no way to blame

I'm not sure JD could have protected herself from these evil monsters

lets be clear about that

Thank you for saying this. This guy could have had full custody and JD could have been the one with supervised visits, and the outcome would be the same. Why? Because they wanted her dead. Plain and simple. He didn’t kill her over custody.

 

[oviedo]

You asked where it was stated there was "relaxed visitation". This MSM article, along with many others, show that it existed, as per the judges ruling. If you disagree, so be it. It has been published more than once. I believe that is known as a link!

The problem is “relaxed” hasn’t been clearly defined - the only MSM I have read included supervised with the visitation

 

[afitzy]

I mean obviously everyone here wants them to go to her, but in reality, who else would they go to? His parents are dead, his sister is in Greece. Maybe he has other siblings but who knows how involved they are in the kids’ lives. If they don’t go to Grandma, it would likely be one of her family members because it seems like that’s the only option. I assume he’s too broke to bail out so unless his girlfriend gets him out, he’s stuck.

JD has a sister, the 5 children have an aunt.

 

[MyBelle]

You asked where it was stated there was "relaxed visitation". This MSM article, along with many others, show that it existed, as per the judges ruling. If you disagree, so be it. It has been published more than once. I believe that is known as a link!

I posted the grandmother's court filing several times. We don't get to invent our own version of facts.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

The problem is “relaxed” hasn’t been clearly defined - the only MSM I have read included supervised with the visitation

This article has some of the court documents that are being most referred to in MSM. If someone can figure out how to get the document here in an easier to read format it would be helpful. I was unable to download the document in pdf form and as I am on a phone I'm limited in terms of what I can do with the document.

Missing New Canaan woman Jennifer Dulos was ‘afraid’ of her husband, court records show

 

[SuperTmo]

So from what I understand, FD had his parenting time scheduled for Saturday and she disappeared on Friday. The police were involved as of approx 7pm that night.

Do we know when LE first made contact with FD? Did he show up at his scheduled parenting time like everything was normal? I hope the cops had body cameras on when they informed him and the girlfriend that JD was missing. I’d love to see their reaction.

 

[MyBelle]

The problem is “relaxed” hasn’t been clearly defined - the only MSM I have read included supervised with the visitation

ITA. Plus, the grandmother's court filing yesterday makes it abundantly clear it was supervised visitation. Gitana1, a family law attorney, has very patiently explained what it means.

JMO

 

[SuperTmo]

JD has a sister, the 5 children have an aunt.

Yes, which is why I said they would go to someone in her family if not her mother. There isn’t really any other options but for them to stay with the maternal family.

 

[Alkali13]

So from what I understand, FD had his parenting time scheduled for Saturday and she disappeared on Friday. The police were involved as of approx 7pm that night.

Do we know when LE first made contact with FD? Did he show up at his scheduled parenting time like everything was normal? I hope the cops had body cameras on when they informed him and the girlfriend that JD was missing. I’d love to see their reaction.

This is a really good question that I don't think I've seen asked yet.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

So from what I understand, FD had his parenting time scheduled for Saturday and she disappeared on Friday. The police were involved as of approx 7pm that night.

Do we know when LE first made contact with FD? Did he show up at his scheduled parenting time like everything was normal? I hope the cops had body cameras on when they informed him and the girlfriend that JD was missing. I’d love to see their reaction.

That is a good question! When was FD notified? What was his demeanor? Some locals said they did not see the Silver alert.

 

[Area52]

I posted the grandmother's court filing several times. We don't get to invent our own version of facts.

JMO

I was responding to your questioning of where the term relaxed visitation came from. It was a term used in various articles. I don't think it contributed to her disappearance, that's totally on FD. But you asked where the term came from, I answered. It was that simple!

 

[oviedo]

So from what I understand, FD had his parenting time scheduled for Saturday and she disappeared on Friday. The police were involved as of approx 7pm that night.

Do we know when LE first made contact with FD? Did he show up at his scheduled parenting time like everything was normal? I hope the cops had body cameras on when they informed him and the girlfriend that JD was missing. I’d love to see their reaction.

Iirc he and his attorney turned in his phone May 25 - media thread has all the links - he refused to answer questions