Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #18

[afitzy]

I must have the wrong (or dup) Rena? https://www.linkedin.com/in/rena-kyrimi-1969bb65/ Mine looks like this:

Thats correct. Did it change recently? Wonder why?

 

[afitzy]

The truth will come out? What does he mean-that JD is the bad one, not him? I hope the truth comes out...we know he did it. He hopes the truth never surfaces, because that puts his feet in the fire.

The stmts seemed design to create mystery and cast doubt and were no doubt totally scripted by Pattis & Crew and I think if you read enough into it also includes subtle victim blaming/shaming.

I know Channel 4 wanted an 'exclusive' but to call this anything close to an interview IMO is simply a lie. This was Pattis putting up his client with a reporter and no doubt scripted answers and list of pre approved questions IMO. IMO this NBC reporter is better than this but must have been desperate for the interview. IDK but it is what it is but just wouldn't call it an interview in the normal sense of what this entails.

Its been awhile since I've seen such an interview done with virtually zero affect. Not only zero affect but zero concern. No emotion even when discussing children too. Not at all typical for missing/murder family members at all in my experience.

FD definately is an 'outlier' in many respect: he believes he is in the small percentage of spouses that DON'T kill their wives, very small percentage of family members that express no emotion or concern about a missing and presumed deceased spouse and father of 5 children that cannot even shed a tear for what they might be going through. Yep, FD is truly 'exceptional'!

MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

WOW!.. @Fitzy The picture you found is the woman who was at the hearing....I'm shocked.

This, however, is the picture I found that was on the linked-in resume for Rena Kyrimi:

Big difference...eh? This seems more in line with a 65-66 year-old-woman, IMO.

Maybe the photo you found is her daughter???? Perhaps Greeks name their children after themselves???? Or, some her fortune went to extensive plastic surgery. Beats me...

This link is to a facebook picture of Rena and family from August 2018.

Klelia Kyrimi

 

[Tink56]

Not my area of expertise but I think we learned from the Family Court that taking the 5th can result in adverse inference (think this is the term). Remember when FD took the 5th in Family Court? Judge Heller referred back to this choice as part of her decision to award custody to GF.

The civil case dragging on is frankly a bit of a mind boggler IMO. FD own books and records (such as they are) show a loan owing to FIL of roughly $1.7 million if I recall according to the civil case documents. We haven't seen any evidence to support the FD contention that the FIL loans represented a 'gift' other than statements made by FD (under the legal guidance of then atty KM). I guess anyone can say anything at any time but at a certain point evidence will be required by the court. FIL was a savvy business person and it makes no sense that the longstanding practice of lending money, building house and repaying loans would have 'suddenly' converted to a gifting scenario IMO. Why do this and especially at a time when the cat was out of the bag that the marriage was failing and JD no doubt had possiblity spoken to her mother and father about the breakdown and her plans to leave? It seems that if the FIL knew that the marriage was doomed and had his doubts about his SIL that instead of gifting the money he would have been tightening the repayment schedule. But perhaps his illness precluded this action IDK but the entire 'gift' concept seems to be a work of fiction created by KM and FD to push off the inevitable repayment of loans and possibly even take advantage of FIL during a time of illness, which if true is positively diabolically evil IMO.

IMO this all is just stonewalling/delay by FD to do whatever he is planning to do or delay the fact that there is no money in FORE etc. Meanwhile he is just issuing a legal dare to GF to call anyone and everyone that has ever worked for FORE IMO. GF has a solid team so will no doubt take a hard look at the main possible suspects and institute legal action accordingly. IMO MT and FD sister have most to fear in this regard given both have intimate ties to FORE/FD.

So, we have MT on deck to be deposed and then FD. Seems likely that we might even see KM, FD sister, FD former employees and friends etc. This parade of depositions could be long and painful for all involved.

Wonder why FD would subject friends and family to this expense and personal stress? Why not simply settle and move on? We've already seen one trade creditor get a set aside for $26,250 and we know more trade creditors are lining up. Its all a mess but time is of the essence IMO as my guess is that there might not be much there for anyone at this point.

MOO MOO

Rena seems to give us the idea that FD was supporting large segments of the Dulos family in Greece in her infamous "Is it Relevant" letter to the public.

She stated:
Is it relevant for you to know that I have only known my brother to be just that; a loving and affectionate sibling and the greatest of uncles for my two daughters? The life line to a large degree of both our immediate and extended family?

Translation: FD has given his family a lot of cash to weather the crazy Greek economy and beyond.

And, she applauds her brother for caring for the elderly parents to relieve the family of that burden.

Is it important to make you aware that during a time of increased pressures in my own family (two daughters at a critical age and professional pressures arising from a country under turbulence even before 2008) Fotis undertook to exclusively take care of our parents, whom he brought to the US and set up in his own home that only few could do?

Translation: FD insisted to JD that his parents move in with him and be another part of the family as if taking care of 5 children wasn’t enough.

How was FD planning to continue to be the knight in shining armor for his family without the Farber wealth. If he was still married to his wife and she "disappeared" the kids would inherit the trust and, as parent, he would be guardian if stipulations don't exist in the trust for this possibility. In his mind, FD wouldn't need to face anymore hearings in family court or financial revelations. He could continue to work on being a master builder, etc. HA!

Continuing the sister saga....I'm reminded that FD was troubled by cost over runs in some of his more recent bids and plans. His sister's LinkedIn resume says that she claims:
"Provides Consulting for Cost Control, Business Strategy Revision, Risk Analysis, and Asset/Property Mnanagement."
at ForeGroup USA

One must wonder how much experience she has with American costs and ability to control them, but it's also fascinating that she was charged with ASSET MANAGEMENT. Makes one wonder which assets she was managing????

Just food for thought...all is IMOO...MOO...MOO

 

[hivee]

The truth will come out? What does he mean-that JD is the bad one, not him? I hope the truth comes out...we know he did it. He hopes the truth never surfaces, because that puts his feet in the fire.

Dbm

 

[CTGrammy]

I believe that is picture of FD/Rena mother, the one that was run over by the nanny at 585 Deerfield. Just a guess. Not sure. MOO

Yes, that picture was taken in 2008 and it is the Mother of Fotis and Rena.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Rena seems to give us the idea that FD was supporting large segments of the Dulos family in Greece in her infamous "Is it Relevant" letter to the public.

She stated:
Is it relevant for you to know that I have only known my brother to be just that; a loving and affectionate sibling and the greatest of uncles for my two daughters? The life line to a large degree of both our immediate and extended family?

Translation: FD has given his family a lot of cash to weather the crazy Greek economy and beyond.

And, she applauds her brother for caring for the elderly parents to relieve the family of that burden.

Is it important to make you aware that during a time of increased pressures in my own family (two daughters at a critical age and professional pressures arising from a country under turbulence even before 2008) Fotis undertook to exclusively take care of our parents, whom he brought to the US and set up in his own home that only few could do?

Translation: FD insisted to JD that his parents move in with him and be another part of the family as if taking care of 5 children wasn’t enough.

How was FD planning to continue to be the knight in shining armor for his family without the Farber wealth. If he was still married to his wife and she "disappeared" the kids would inherit the trust and, as parent, he would be guardian if stipulations don't exist in the trust for this possibility. In his mind, FD wouldn't need to face anymore hearings in family court or financial revelations. He could continue to work on being a master builder, etc. HA!

Continuing the sister saga....I'm reminded that FD was troubled by cost over runs in some of his more recent bids and plans. His sister's LinkedIn resume says that she claims:
"Provides Consulting for Cost Control, Business Strategy Revision, Risk Analysis, and Asset/Property Mnanagement."
at ForeGroup USA

One must wonder how much experience she has with American costs and ability to control them, but it's also fascinating that she was charged with ASSET MANAGEMENT. Makes one wonder which assets she was managing????

Just food for thought...all is IMOO...MOO...MOO

Rena should change her narrative to read “is it relevant that Jennifer foot the entire bill so that Fotis could be the greatest brother, uncle and son anyone could want?”

 

[CTGrammy]

@oceancalling, Curious what you think about the warrant language vis a vis the phone?

Seems like LE had reason to believe based on evidence from Welles that FD phone might have evidence related to a crime based on the warrant language. IDK the standard police are held to in order to take a phone though? But the FD warrant was clear that NCPD/State Police then requested and received the proper warrant to access the phone.

On the surface it looks like NCPD followed the correct procedure.

I guess maybe I am not understanding Pattis saying that the phone was "taken" and "not returned" to FD. Pattis said in court that he has stmts from the FD atty that the phone was requested to be returned by the atty at the time.

Would the phone have to be returned if it was requested to be returned, in the event that NCPD had evidence in place suggesting the violent act had occurred at Welles? I'm thinking that State Police had luminol all over Welles by the time the phone situation happened. Would this suspicion from NCPD/State Police be enough to withhold the phone if atty asked for it to be returned? I also wonder if this exchange was all on video at NCPD too?

IMO, I hope it was on video.

LE Can and Does confiscate anything that is Handed to them by the possible suspect, if LE suspects the item was used in the commission of a crime or has information that a crime was committed.

Then, LE can request and get a warrant for anything they Would glean from the phone, After they have the warrant.

As I have mentioned before, LE did not Need the phone to get the phone Pings.

Pings are from the cell phone Company and yes, LE would need a warrant to obtain that information in a non emergency situation.

Emergency would be a situation as JD's where LE could have immediately requested and received JD's phone pings in the process of trying to find the person (JD), who suffered a 'Serious Physical Assault' in her own garage.

IMO, LE is 'toeing the line' and doing Everything 'by the book'.

LE does not want to make any mistakes and give Doofus opportunity to escape conviction.

With a MOO MOO here and a MOO MOO there.

 

[citygirl]

Okay, I can't help but ask. Is the woman in pink his sister? None of the existing photos look like that.
MOO.

 

[Jmoose]

Rena seems to give us the idea that FD was supporting large segments of the Dulos family in Greece in her infamous "Is it Relevant" letter to the public.

She stated:
Is it relevant for you to know that I have only known my brother to be just that; a loving and affectionate sibling and the greatest of uncles for my two daughters? The life line to a large degree of both our immediate and extended family?

Translation: FD has given his family a lot of cash to weather the crazy Greek economy and beyond.

And, she applauds her brother for caring for the elderly parents to relieve the family of that burden.

Is it important to make you aware that during a time of increased pressures in my own family (two daughters at a critical age and professional pressures arising from a country under turbulence even before 2008) Fotis undertook to exclusively take care of our parents, whom he brought to the US and set up in his own home that only few could do?

Translation: FD insisted to JD that his parents move in with him and be another part of the family as if taking care of 5 children wasn’t enough.

How was FD planning to continue to be the knight in shining armor for his family without the Farber wealth. If he was still married to his wife and she "disappeared" the kids would inherit the trust and, as parent, he would be guardian if stipulations don't exist in the trust for this possibility. In his mind, FD wouldn't need to face anymore hearings in family court or financial revelations. He could continue to work on being a master builder, etc. HA!

Continuing the sister saga....I'm reminded that FD was troubled by cost over runs in some of his more recent bids and plans. His sister's LinkedIn resume says that she claims:
"Provides Consulting for Cost Control, Business Strategy Revision, Risk Analysis, and Asset/Property Mnanagement."
at ForeGroup USA

One must wonder

Rena seems to give us the idea that FD was supporting large segments of the Dulos family in Greece in her infamous "Is it Relevant" letter to the public.

She stated:
Is it relevant for you to know that I have only known my brother to be just that; a loving and affectionate sibling and the greatest of uncles for my two daughters? The life line to a large degree of both our immediate and extended family?

Translation: FD has given his family a lot of cash to weather the crazy Greek economy and beyond.

And, she applauds her brother for caring for the elderly parents to relieve the family of that burden.

Is it important to make you aware that during a time of increased pressures in my own family (two daughters at a critical age and professional pressures arising from a country under turbulence even before 2008) Fotis undertook to exclusively take care of our parents, whom he brought to the US and set up in his own home that only few could do?

Translation: FD insisted to JD that his parents move in with him and be another part of the family as if taking care of 5 children wasn’t enough.

How was FD planning to continue to be the knight in shining armor for his family without the Farber wealth. If he was still married to his wife and she "disappeared" the kids would inherit the trust and, as parent, he would be guardian if stipulations don't exist in the trust for this possibility. In his mind, FD wouldn't need to face anymore hearings in family court or financial revelations. He could continue to work on being a master builder, etc. HA!

Continuing the sister saga....I'm reminded that FD was troubled by cost over runs in some of his more recent bids and plans. His sister's LinkedIn resume says that she claims:
"Provides Consulting for Cost Control, Business Strategy Revision, Risk Analysis, and Asset/Property Mnanagement."
at ForeGroup USA

One must wonder how much experience she has with American costs and ability to control them, but it's also fascinating that she was charged with ASSET MANAGEMENT. Makes one wonder which assets she was managing????

Just food for thought...all is IMOO...MOO...MOO

how much experience she has with American costs and ability to control them, but it's also fascinating that she was charged with ASSET MANAGEMENT. Makes one wonder which assets she was managing????

Just food for thought...all is IMOO...MOO...MOO

BBM-this is, IMO, “relevant”...which assets WAS she managing, indeed. I don’t know how much building is going on in Greece, with the Greek economy in such shambles-but Rena obviously was not successfully managing any costs on construction here. There was at least one buyer of a property developed by Fore Group who claimed the end cost was far, far more than the buyer was told it would be (hope he had a contract for a specific amount, and no more than that). I am absolutely certain that FD sent money to Greece that he had no right to send over. Really, I don’t think they are going to be able to get to the bottom of how much Farber money was embezzled and sent overseas. I say embezzled, because in the very best light, the money belonged in Fore Group, and he wasn’t legally able to use it to support his Greek relatives. I would be curious to know, though, if he was building in Greece, too, with HF money.

 

[1&2&3]

It is my opinion that Rena was listed on the FORE officers or employees (don’t remember what she was listed as) just as a reason for FD to justify why he sent money to her. This way it wasn’t a constant fight with JD.

 

[merrymary]

DBM - double post

 

[Jmoose]

It is my opinion that Rena was listed on the FORE officers or employees (don’t remember what she was listed as) just as a reason for FD to justify why he sent money to her. This way it wasn’t a constant fight with JD.

That sounds about right-the Farbers supported JD, FD, their kids, and FD’s family in Greece. Wonder if the brother up in Massachusetts was on the payroll, too?

 

[merrymary]

Interesting article to chew on: Jennifer Dulos disappearance: 3 CT cases where suspicion also fell on husband

Similarities?

"The most obvious parallel to the Dulos case — with divergent outcomes — is that of Durst and Crafts, with the absence of a body found thus far.

In each of the cases, suspicion fell on the women’s spouses due to mainly circumstantial evidence — another similarity to the Dulos case.

As in the Dabate case, Fotis Dulos is living in his suburban Hartford community while a suspect in his wife’s disappearance — but it remains to be seen whether prosecutors will file further charges in the Dulos case."

 

[1&2&3]

A man like FD who would want to move his mistress and daughter into the marital home, then later kill his wife is a man who thinks the world revolves around him and he can do as he wishes. There are no consequences for any wrong doing as laws do not apply to him!

He is smarter than anyone else, and besides, he always gets what he wants.

So, all he has to do is spin the story of what a terrible person his wife, JD, was behind closed doors. He will also create the story to show that she was a martyr of a mother.
In his mind, it’s easy peasy, he is use to telling tales to get what he wants. To me, it sounds like many father’s going through a divorce who do not want to pay child support. Except, few of them murder their wives.

The judge will see straight through him. Or, we have a dishonest judge!

 

[CTGrammy]

Okay, I can't help but ask. Is the woman in pink his sister? None of the existing photos look like that.
MOO.

Picture with family, is Rena in August 2018. One of the two daughters, has been seen with Doofus in CT.

Picture with hubby is Rena.

Picture of older woman in red is Kleopatra Doulos, the mother to FD and Rena. This picture was taken in 2008.

MOO

Edit: All these pictures were found on their Facebook accounts.

 

[afitzy]

BBM-this is, IMO, “relevant”...which assets WAS she managing, indeed. I don’t know how much building is going on in Greece, with the Greek economy in such shambles-but Rena obviously was not successfully managing any costs on construction here. There was at least one buyer of a property developed by Fore Group who claimed the end cost was far, far more than the buyer was told it would be (hope he had a contract for a specific amount, and no more than that). I am absolutely certain that FD sent money to Greece that he had no right to send over. Really, I don’t think they are going to be able to get to the bottom of how much Farber money was embezzled and sent overseas. I say embezzled, because in the very best light, the money belonged in Fore Group, and he wasn’t legally able to use it to support his Greek relatives. I would be curious to know, though, if he was building in Greece, too, with HF money.

I think the lawsuit with the Nigerian Prince might shed some light on this issue of cost overruns. I will go back and dig up the documents and post some quotes that refer to contract dispute issues and budgets etc.

For my money and IMO, I don't believe FD or his sister were unable to know the costs associated with anything having to do with any of the FORE construction projects. Nope, not at all. My sense is they knew the costs but simply chose not to share them with clients upfront or in a timely fashion or provided lowball loose estimates that were later 'revised' with the proper information that was itself likely inflated. These were sizable but not hugely complex residential projects and in many respects were 'cookie cutter' in that cost info from prior project was directly applicable to future projects with some adjustment. No mysteries in building these houses that a certified architect (FD sister) would not be aware of or unable to forsee issues in the project in advance of them happening IMO.

Its all part of an elaborate fleecing con that is orchestrated by contractors to extract the most money possible out of stressed out and uneducated people trying to build a house. Building a house or even doing remodeling can be a somewhat complex project for the uninitiated and some people are even so trusting that they don't have their atty's prepare or even review documents from contractors. Big mistake because run into one change and FD points his small short finger now covered with mold at the contact and exclaims, "...that will cost you or that is different than what we discussed etc."! Or the dreaded, "...is gonna cost you more than we budgeted"!

Play this out over and over and against the many houses built over the years and its a potentially lucrative though IMO shady 'con' . But because there is usually a contract (most likely prepared by FORE) we haven't seen too much litigation on this front. Most people are too trusting and believed that FORE would do what it said it would do upfront and FD most likely exploited this situation to the maximum extent short of being sued IMO. If anyone runs into a FORE contract for the build to suit it would be highly interesting to take a look at how some of these cost issues are addressed in the contract.

Enter a contractor that has legal documents 'ready for signature' by these unsuspecting marks and well you can see how this whole thing will go! Read some of the comments on google about people that have built houses with FD and FORE and the game usually seems to go the same way IMO.

FD had people around him when he was building houses who were project managers (they aren't there anymore but I hope LE has found each and everyone of them and that GF knows who each and every one of them is as they no doubt had some awareness of the games being played in the FORE 'office' IMO) who were experienced in construction process, cost analysis and budgeting.

I can see someone having issues with estimating if they maybe just built 1-2 houses or highly complicated custom houses on challenging sites but FORE had been in this business for a good amt time and even though FD was not a hands on builder, IMO his sister would certainly have expertise in any/all issues with building a 4,000SF house if she is used to operating with large commercial projects that are substantially more complex. FORE build very similar boxy houses over and over again if you look at the pictures on Houzz.

IMO they knew to the penny how much each room would cost so there was very little mystery in the building process absent site specific related issues.

MOO MOO MOO

 

[sds71]

Jennifer Dulos case: Attorney calls for phone evidence to be thrown out
Jennifer Dulos case: Attorney calls for phone evidence to be thrown out
If he asked for the phone back after a search warrant was obtained, then there will be no grounds to suppress evidence, she said. But if he asked for the phone back before the search warrant was obtained, and was refused, there could be a problem, she said.

“It all hinges on how long before they got the warrant did he ask for it back,” said Paz, who previously worked with Pattis.
Police may be able to claim an exigency due to the fact a woman was missing, she said. The phone was seized “under the belief it contained evidence of a crime and/or information which could lead to the discovery of Jennifer Dulos,” arrest warrants said.
The other issue is the records turned over to police by Fotis Dulos’ cellphone provider, she added. It is unlikely that a judge will rule that the phone records — which in this case police said led to evidence connecting Fotis Dulos to the disappearance — should be suppressed since investigators could have gathered them without the physical phone, she said.
Police obtained search warrants for a forensic review of the phone and for a review of the cellphone records associated with the device, the arrest warrant said. The search warrants in the case are sealed until September. Stamford State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo declined to comment Monday on Pattis’ request for a suppression hearing on the phone.

 

[afitzy]

Picture with family, is Rena in August 2018. One of the two daughters, has been seen with Doofus in CT.

Picture with hubby is Rena.

Picture of older woman in red is Kleopatra Doulos, the mother to FD and Rena. This picture was taken in 2008.

MOO

Mystery solved! Good work!

 

[Jmoose]

Jennifer Dulos case: Attorney calls for phone evidence to be thrown out
Jennifer Dulos case: Attorney calls for phone evidence to be thrown out
If he asked for the phone back after a search warrant was obtained, then there will be no grounds to suppress evidence, she said. But if he asked for the phone back before the search warrant was obtained, and was refused, there could be a problem, she said.

“It all hinges on how long before they got the warrant did he ask for it back,” said Paz, who previously worked with Pattis.
Police may be able to claim an exigency due to the fact a woman was missing, she said. The phone was seized “under the belief it contained evidence of a crime and/or information which could lead to the discovery of Jennifer Dulos,” arrest warrants said.
The other issue is the records turned over to police by Fotis Dulos’ cellphone provider, she added. It is unlikely that a judge will rule that the phone records — which in this case police said led to evidence connecting Fotis Dulos to the disappearance — should be suppressed since investigators could have gathered them without the physical phone, she said.
Police obtained search warrants for a forensic review of the phone and for a review of the cellphone records associated with the device, the arrest warrant said. The search warrants in the case are sealed until September. Stamford State’s Attorney Richard Colangelo declined to comment Monday on Pattis’ request for a suppression hearing on the phone.

I have a question-if FD went with an attorney to the police station the day after JD went missing, why didn’t the attorney tell FD “do not give them your phone!” You wouldn’t ever want to give them your phone, unless you had to. The lawyer certainly should, and would have known that. So, why would he let FD do that?