Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

[citygirl]

It is most assuredly NOT the practice to allow a criminally charged defendant to attend his co-defendant's deposition in a legally unrelated case! Unless CT really is the wild, wild west of litigation, that is.

Thank you. Always the voice of reason.

 

[Tink56]

BBM.
I found this even more telling.
MOO.

Can you imagine a man who has a short fuse and "talks loudly" when displeased parenting 4 tweens and teens? That scenario would be a disaster.

Generally speaking, loud voices and declarations as the prime parenting method are sure to fail with this age group. Heaven help them all....hopefully the court, even lawyers for the teens, will recognize that a man who hasn't been privy to the basic daily personalities of his off spring for the last two years and the challenges of dealing with the ups and downs of the early teen years is NO position to be primary caregiver, even if the kids think weekend, fun parent would be a good idea. It took FD almost 2 years to complete the court-ordered basic parenting class. Perhaps even-tempered, wise judicial rulings will be mindful of the personalities involved as well as the "rights" of the 13-year-old young men.

If the court deems visitation as appropriate, it will need to be supervised and held in a controlled situation, IMO. Hopefully, murder charges will be filed before the custody question is an issue.

 

[sds71]

1.HHD-CV-18-6088970-S FARBER, GLORIA, EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF HILLIARD v. FORE GROUP, INC. Et Al Notice Issued: 08/26/2019 Court

Notice Issued: 08/26/2019
Docket Number: HHD-CV-18-6088970-S
Case Caption: FARBER, GLORIA, EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF HILLIARD v. FORE GROUP, INC. Et Al
Notice Sequence #: 1
JDNO 1/2
ORDER REGARDING:
07/26/2019 186.00 OBJECTION
The foregoing, having been considered by the Court, is hereby:
ORDER:
1. Movant/nonparty Michelle Troconis argues that where there are parallel civil and criminal proceedings, a court has authority to stay discovery or to stay an action in its entirety.
2. As the Appellate Court has explained, in deciding whether to stay a civil proceeding pending the outcome of a related criminal proceeding, “[a] preliminary question must be the extent to which the issues in the criminal case would overlap with those in the civil case, because self-incrimination is more likely if there is a significant overlap.” Tyler v. Shenkman-Tyler, 115 Conn. App. 521, 530 n.5, 973 A.2d 163 (2009). Where there is “some limited overlap, [the matters] are not parallel proceedings.” Id.
3. In her motion, the movant asserts that she is a defendant in a criminal proceeding where the charges include tampering with physical evidence and hindering prosecution.
4. The plaintiff’s claims in this civil matter pertain to loan transactions, and allege breach of contract, unjust enrichment, and piercing the corporate veil. In addition, the plaintiff seeks a constructive trust concerning real property.
5. Thus, this matter contrasts with the circumstances in Wilcox v. Webster Insurance, Superior Court, judicial district of New Haven, Docket No. CV 07 5010093 (January 11, 2008, Bellis, J.) (44 Conn.L.Rptr. 786), cited by the movant. Here, the issues in the civil and criminal proceedings do not
appear to overlap extensively. The movant has not shown that the actions are factually similar, and that they are parallel proceedings. See id...
JDNO 2/2
...6. If need be, at the deposition, the movant may assert her constitutional privilege against self incrimination on a question-by-question basis.
7. Accordingly, the movant’s objection to the notice of deposition, motion to quash deposition subpoena,motion for a protective order, and motion for a stay of proceedings as they pertain to her is denied.

Per order of SHAPIRO, J on 8/22/2019
SL/tac on 8/26/2019

 

[NWLady]

1.HHD-CV-18-6088970-S FARBER, GLORIA, EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF HILLIARD v. FORE GROUP, INC. Et Al Notice Issued: 08/26/2019 Court

Notice Issued: 08/26/2019
Docket Number: HHD-CV-18-6088970-S
Case Caption: FARBER, GLORIA, EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF HILLIARD v. FORE GROUP, INC. Et Al
Notice Sequence #: 1
JDNO 1/2
ORDER REGARDING:
07/26/2019 186.00 OBJECTION
The foregoing, having been considered by the Court, is hereby:
ORDER:
1. Movant/nonparty Michelle Troconis argues that where there are parallel civil and criminal proceedings, a court has authority to stay discovery or to stay an action in its entirety.
2. As the Appellate Court has explained, in deciding whether to stay a civil proceeding pending the outcome of a related criminal proceeding, “[a] preliminary question must be the extent to which the issues in the criminal case would overlap with those in the civil case, because self-incrimination is more likely if there is a significant overlap.” Tyler v. Shenkman-Tyler, 115 Conn. App. 521, 530 n.5, 973 A.2d 163 (2009). Where there is “some limited overlap, [the matters] are not parallel proceedings.” Id.
3. In her motion, the movant asserts that she is a defendant in a criminal proceeding where the charges include tampering with physical evidence and hindering prosecution.
4. The plaintiff’s claims in this civil matter pertain to loan transactions, and allege breach of contract, unjust enrichment, and piercing the corporate veil. In addition, the plaintiff seeks a constructive trust concerning real property.
5. Thus, this matter contrasts with the circumstances in Wilcox v. Webster Insurance, Superior Court, judicial district of New Haven, Docket No. CV 07 5010093 (January 11, 2008, Bellis, J.) (44 Conn.L.Rptr. 786), cited by the movant. Here, the issues in the civil and criminal proceedings do not
appear to overlap extensively. The movant has not shown that the actions are factually similar, and that they are parallel proceedings. See id...
JDNO 2/2
...6. If need be, at the deposition, the movant may assert her constitutional privilege against self incrimination on a question-by-question basis.
7. Accordingly, the movant’s objection to the notice of deposition, motion to quash deposition subpoena,motion for a protective order, and motion for a stay of proceedings as they pertain to her is denied.

Per order of SHAPIRO, J on 8/22/2019
SL/tac on 8/26/2019

So, is this a good thing for GF and her lawyers or a bad thing? I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding so much of this legal stuff. Thanks in advance.

 

[sds71]

So, is this a good thing for GF and her lawyers or a bad thing? I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding so much of this legal stuff. Thanks in advance.

I think it’s a good thing
She’ll probably plead the 5th but at least she has to appear

 

[oceancalling]

So, is this a good thing for GF and her lawyers or a bad thing? I'm sorry, I have a hard time understanding so much of this legal stuff. Thanks in advance.

In Martha's words,"It's a very good thing."

 

[oceancalling]

It is! Judge in criminal case told Pattis to prepare a motion, Colangelo gets 2 weeks to respond and then it heads back to Judge for ruling and/or hearing (this wasn't clear to me in the discussion of how it was going to be handled).

I don't know how Bowman/MT will enter the fray on this as they are the ones that originally made the motion for no contact but as they are being tried separately its a bit confusing. The Judge in the criminal case has chosen to mirror the motions on no contact with MT and children/Farber family so maybe this is how Bowman can enter the discussion but I wouldn't think he wants FO within a football field of HO at this point.

He can prepare a motion, but getting it granted will be another matter. Let's see how the State responds. NP likes to file all kinds of motions, but I cannot imagine the judge is going to let this happen.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I guess what I meant to say was that he may remain free even if he’s guilty (I hope not!); his kids could go on to think he is innocent of everything, when he’s not.

I understand, and it would be a travesty of justice if it turns out that way. And just like OJ and Cassie Anthony, all the evidence was there, but still, they were found not guilty.
But we all know being found “not guilty” doesn’t always mean “innocent”.

 

[bubby girl]

I Couldn’t Say ‘My Mother’ Without Crying...For what its worth...I am 58 years old...my mom has been gone since I was 32...there are still days that I can't say her name without crying...I can't imagine the inescapable sadness, horror and devastation that JD's children and family deal with every day. Then to have all of FD's bull***t...it is inexcusable and is proof positive that he doesn't give two shi*s about his kids. I hope LE, the IRS, the Feds and anyone else who can cause this piece of human excrement pain do so...the sooner the better!!! jmo

i am so sorry what you have gone through..

prince william and prince harry have talked about how it affected them losing their mother..prince harry said the last time he talked with his mother, he cut it short because he wanted to get back to playing with his cousins..

and here FD does a scripted tv interview in his kitchen saying he has it the most difficult???? and then he said that for the kids it would get better with time...he is unable to support them even emotionally.. MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

IMO, FO and Crew want the Intimidation Factor.

Would MT answer Truthfully if FO is present?

NOT, in my opinion.

IMO

If he’s a party to the lawsuit, then he can be present at the deposition of MT, unless court orders otherwise.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I've been waiting for this topic to come up. There are lots of POV and mine is a gross oversimplification of the very complicated financial part of the equation in Greece in order to just think about whether it would have made sense for FO to send cash back to Greece in dollars or euros or gold.

Not sure how many followed along for all the coverage on the Greek financial crisis but it documented what many have known and suspected for years about how things function in Greece. I'm not bringing this up to get political but to try to explain in a simple way that the crisis made certain things easier and certain things harder in Greece. I also think that most Greeks with money held their money outside of country, long before the crisis ever hit.

Probably more folks might be familiar with the organized 'inefficiency' and 'graft/bribery' present in Italian govt and the way things work there in general. Well, take the Italian situation and IMO double the severity and that might on a good day describe doing business in Greece. The situation is a shame IMO because it has made so many things next to impossible to change in Greece to alter the course of events post crisis. Greece was brought to its knees by the crisis and people did what they had to do to survive IMO. Greeks are survivors IMO and they are also creative by nature!

Its a very sad situation overall with the Greek and Italian economies and while both govts are working to unravel the situation in their countries. in general you are talking institutionalized ways of doing business that have been going on for more years than the US has been a country.

My guess is that if FO wanted to move dollars or Euros to Greece it would have not taken much to do and there would have been many ready places to park the funds. I'm not sure this is what was done but it might have been done to help friends/family that were crushed by the crisis.

All this being said though I wonder if the cash would have been sent to Greece unless it was with a very trusted source known to the family as the crisis impacted virtually everyone and the financial sector in particular. I wonder though also whether Turkey might have been a better bet or even Cyprus?

Here is a quick read on the corruption situation in Greece attached in pdf file below:

"Still, they’re not optimistic these measures would change what they call “the entire value system of nihilism and antisocial behavior that parents and schools have allowed to percolate through Greek society.” Research has shown that Greece’s culture of mistrust and cheating is far more extreme than anywhere in Europe. According to surveys, 80 percent of Greeks believe it’s all right to claim government benefits to which they are not entitled, while 20 percent disapprove. In most of Europe, the ratio is almost exactly flipped". [BBM]


But all this political noise in Greece could have simply been avoided by FO using Bitcoin too. IDK. Depends if FO wanted to just park the cash or whether the cash was deployed to take advantage of the Greek crash to buy property or he needed to help friends/family? I have no knowledge of Greek property markets to even know if this would make sense in terms of an investment.

MOO MOO MOO

I had read a little about the crisis in Greece but didn’t read enough to understand the depth and breadth of it. Thank you for sharing this. It sounds like it affected the culture itself somewhat like the way some people describe the effects of the Great Depression in the U.S. on people although tragedy is tragedy to those involved and I am in no way comparing the two as being less or more tragic. What you wrote is very poignant and it gives me some insight into how and why someone—anyone—who sent money home to help his or her family would have been viewed very favorably regardless of anything else. I’m not just talking about FD here—just in general. While understanding something doesn’t mean agreeing with it or condoning it although sometimes both occur, it’s usually helpful to have that additional insight, in my opinion only. MOO! Thank you!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

It is most assuredly NOT the practice to allow a criminally charged defendant to attend his co-defendant's deposition in a legally unrelated case! Unless CT really is the wild, wild west of litigation, that is.

Well Norman does have a pony tail so I would guess he’s got to have a pair of cowboy boots too. Yeehaaa!

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Both have been called to provide depositions in the GF/FORE civil case.

I believe FO has already been deposed but I'm not 100% certain. FO/Pattis made a comment at FO last court date in criminal proceedings that FO would like to be present at the deposition of MT in the civil matter with GF. I'm not sure but I believe he has the right to be there as he is a party to the civil litigation, IDK its a question for legal folks. FO has to get this approval to be in the same place as MT due to the no contact order that Bowman/MT had put in place in the MT criminal proceeding (Judge in FO criminal proceeding brought the no contact with MT and children/Faber family into FO criminal proceeding as well).

But Judge in FO criminal case said a motion would have to be submitted by Pattis, then Colangelo asked for time to respond as he is involved with the situation of the no contact order and then the Judge would have to rule. I would think that Bowman would be weighing in on this issue as well as MT is his client and he was the one that made original motion about no contact but I'm not sure how he does this as he/his client is not part of the FO criminal case.

Its a bit complicated as FO and MT are being tried in 2 separate criminal cases and there are 2 Judges etc. But I would expect Bowman to argue for the no contact order to stand and that FO should be excluded for MT deposition and of course Pattis will do the exact opposite as his clients rights are being violated by not being there and then the Judge will have to rule after hearing what State/Colangelo has to say about the matter.

FO I would think could waive his right to be present at MT deposition as could GF I would think. But I doubt FO will do this as Pattis hasn't been able to get FO + HO together and he has been working on it for 3 months now with zero success so he won't let this try go without a fight IMO. I'm not certain but I think if the Criminal Court Judge rules to keep the no contact order in place then the Civil Court has to follow along in this ruling but if a legal person can confirm/explain this it would be helpful as this is beyond my paygrade!

MOO

He could attend via speaker phone or Skype. Had deposition not long ago where husband sat outside in his truck listening on phone while wife was deposed.
She was shaking knowing he was close.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Thank you. Always the voice of reason.

He’s the defendant in the case where MT has to testify. He’s entitled to be there unless court orders otherwise. They need to get a ruling from the judge on his appearance during the deposition of HIS case with GF.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

i am so sorry what you have gone through..

prince william and prince harry have talked about how it affected them losing their mother..prince harry said the last time he talked with his mother, he cut it short because he wanted to get back to playing with his cousins..

and here FD does a scripted tv interview in his kitchen saying he has it the most difficult???? and then he said that for the kids it would get better with time...he is unable to support them even emotionally.. MOO

Heartbreaking. You never forget your Mother. Apparently FO has, however.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

He could attend via speaker phone or Skype. Had deposition not long ago where husband sat outside in his truck listening on phone while wife was deposed.
She was shaking knowing he was close.

Awful.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I hear you!!! It's been 8 years, she was only 57, and I the situation around her death was horrific. It was the worst experience of my life. I couldn't look at pictures of her or even remember good memories because they hurt too bad for the longest time.

I’m so sorry.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

dlharris, (((hugs)))

I was also an adult when my mother passed away. Today is the anniversary of her internment, some years I don't think about it much, but this year....

FD is not showing care or concern for the children, not a bit.

I’m so sorry.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

I think this is why MT will plead the 5th, but doesn’t this immediately implicate her in this matter?

You guys are amazing singularly and with the collective brainstorming and brainpower! It’s going to take me quite a while to understand all you’ve all posted just TODAY! Wow! I have yet to understand how anyone would even try to say that he or she didn’t know who was paying his or her legal bills—without saying, “But I’m going to find out right now!” Wouldn’t it give you the creeps for someone to be paying something on your behalf but you didn’t know who it was? I agree he surely does know or has a good idea but why would anyone think other people would believe that? MOO.

Worth thinking about IMO. But probably closer to home IMO.

Mentioned this a few threads back...the Greek Mafia is a real thing apparently and very scary, operating from a home base of Athens all over Europe.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

I’m so sorry.

Thank you.