Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

[BellaVita]

This is interesting I think. Was just taking a look at Zillow for 65 Sturbridge in NC. We had a discussion about it a couple of weeks ago and the consensus was it was overpriced still after a nearly $500,000/11% price reduction in July.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/61-Sturbridge-Hill-Rd-New-Canaan-CT-06840/57327003_zpid/?

Its now on the market for $3,999,999

and the
Zestimate®
$2,700,260

Estimated sales range: $2.46M - $3.02M

I think I had ballparked the house at $2.5 million which is in the range of the Zillow estimate. This still is substantially below the list price. There are 3 mortgages on the property (Danbury Savings Bank and 2 private mortgages) and the GF attachment which I believe is presently $500,000. There are also 6 trade liens.

Not sure FO is going to be getting much $ out of this property as I believe it was purchased for $1.5 million in 7/17. Curious what the build cost was for this property to justify the price (not seeing much in terms of interior finishing work to support price IMO).

This project IMO is a bit confusing as its a bit expensive for the neighborhood, incomplete landscaping, and no pool (other houses in neighborhood have pools). Another FO head scratcher project IMO.

MOO

OMG. The numbers are astounding. He has to be underwater for the estimated sales price range. Is this house in foreclosure yet?
30 Year fixed rate loan table: 1.5 million at 3.25 percent interest=$6,528.09 monthly payment. If he was required to get PMI, that could be an extra $1500 monthly. Plus taxes. Insurance. Upkeep. How could 4JC be the only one being foreclosed? The money must be coming in from somewhere (Greece). And JUST the property was $1.5 million? What about construction costs also? Plus the attachments/liens. The first mortgagor/lien holder gets paid first. If a junior lien holder forecloses, they have to pay off the superior lien holders. As a buyer, I would not touch this with a 1000 foot pole, no matter the price. What if title search misses something in this mess? I know it's called title insurance for a reason but why bother? Other, nicer homes without the hassle.

 

[Laughing]

OMG. The numbers are astounding. He has to be underwater for the estimated sales price range. Is this house in foreclosure yet?
30 Year fixed rate loan table: 1.5 million at 3.25 percent interest=$6,528.09 monthly payment. If he was required to get PMI, that could be an extra $1500 monthly. Plus taxes. Insurance. Upkeep. How could 4JC be the only one being foreclosed? The money must be coming in from somewhere (Greece). And JUST the property was $1.5 million? What about construction costs also? Plus the attachments/liens. The first mortgagor/lien holder gets paid first. If a junior lien holder forecloses, they have to pay off the superior lien holders. As a buyer, I would not touch this with a 1000 foot pole, no matter the price. What if title search misses something in this mess? I know it's called title insurance for a reason but why bother? Other, nicer homes without the hassle.

or the notoriety -- goodness we've asked for pictures, we can't be alone in that!

 

[oceancalling]

I have been so busy figuring out how FD committed this murder, but this morning I keep thinking about the last minutes of Jennifer's life. The posting about the painter's jumpsuit (excellent, observation by the way) immediately brought to mind the fact that the minute Jennifer saw FD, she KNEW he was there to murder her. The father of her children, the man she had devoted her life to making happy, the man who she grew to rightfully fear. She knew.

She must have fought him with every fiber in her being. She wasn't just fighting for herself. She was fighting for her children. SHE made sure he wouldn't get away with it by, forcing him to leave evidence in the room. The bloody struggle? That was HER bloody struggle against this evil SOB. I know in my bones that LE is not going to let her struggle have been in vain.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe FD struck quickly, without Jennifer even seeing him, and perhaps, that would have been a mercy. Still, I cannot imagine FD wanted to leave evidence of a "violent physical assault" in that garage and I sure can't see him wanting to go into her kitchen to wash his hands. I want to believe that Jennifer made sure he did those things and, in the process, made sure he will be held responsible for her murder.

I don't know Dr. Farber, but I believe she will move heaven and earth to keep those children safe. It's what Jennifer would have wanted.

 

[Curious in CT]

Um...delicate reminder that we should be mindful of this being a public forum. (Though I agree with you, @oceancalling .)

Don't forget. They have lost way too much time off the water skies. They ARE going to be champion water skiers or die tryin'. With FD as their "protector" they may end up just like their mother when they stop obeying him. Gag.

 

[andalso]

Just some of my thoughts.

I wonder where JD's cell phone is?

Also, wonder what happened to FD's clothes? Did they end up on Albany Ave?

Regarding the license plates: I keep wondering if FD traveled to Mass. and used the plates to evade the tolls. Not likely, but possible and I can't get it out of my head. If that happened I am sure LE could find video of it.
Whatever he used them for, it shows premeditation!

The other thing I can't get out of my head is that he put her body in water. I assume FD has experience with setting up slalom ski courses and weighing down the buoys, therefore I think he could use that knowledge to weigh down her body.

 

[BellaVita]

oceancalling wrote:
Don't forget. They have lost way too much time off the water skies. They ARE going to be champion water skiers or die tryin'. With FD as their "protector" they may end up just like their mother when they stop obeying him. Gag.

Um...delicate reminder that we should be mindful of this being a public forum. (Though I agree with you, @oceancalling .)

I don't see a problem with the post. I don't think FD needs us to have these thoughts. If anything, it is always better to bring these things to the light of day so people know you are on to them. IMO.

 

[Curious in CT]

THIS bears repeating... nicely put, @Tink56

This is wonderful @sds71 Kudos to Anne Dranginis and Dr. Farber as their succinct reply shows restraint and delineates the pros from the desperate attention seekers. Can't wait to hear NP blunder on about this challenge.

 

[bubby girl]

I'm with you somewhat, city girl! I'm sure I'm not the first to mention this about the chosen spot for dismemberment:

FD, if he indeed preplanned the murder could have completely covered the walls, floor and ceiling of one of the bathrooms in sheets of plastic.

It would be interesting to learn whether he had prohibited any employees from visiting one of the properties around the time of the murder while he was preparing.

Perhaps there was a recent purchase of oversized plastic drop cloths?
Maybe there were countless bits of DNA tainted plastic in the garbage dump?
Maybe there's a missing Sawsall from the FORE inventory? (probably now deep in the water somewhere or buried near some poison ivy!)

With this scenario no assistant would be necessary for heavy lifting. However, I can picture MT standing by, perhaps stunned, but too afraid to protest.

Just more MOO.

totally agree pre-planned..

i wonder if this also a reason is taking LE more time to prepare for pre-meditated murder charges..

everything FD does is calculated, from his 'chance' meeting with JD while he was married to his FW, to the disappearance to JD- we know you did it FD..no wonder JD mother had guards immediately after JD disappearance to prepare and mrs farber was right- FD tried to see his kids but was stopped by the guard..

moo

 

[Curious in CT]

EBM as I recalled that @oceancalling is the reason we might see "reporter" added to the Urban Dictionary!
I would not assume that the part about JD leaving the garage door open is accurate. We talked about this a while back, and I don't recall any evidence that that was in police reports. Same situation with how the nanny granted police "access" to the house/garage. Some media outlets reported that she physically let them in. I believe we concluded that it was also likely that she provided LE with a pass code.
I don't know anything about Radar, but given their characterization of this case transfixing "America" (vs. the United States), I'm guessing their reporting is of the "reposting" flavor that you hilariously coined.

Thanks for that! I had forgotten some important info in that article. From it, we know he came in through the open garage door. The reference to the drain, which we discussed a while back, also tells us he (excuse me, but there is no better word) butchered Jennifer's body, perhaps in a shower or other area with water and a drain, thinking his actions would wash away proof of his crime. How wrong he was! FD took her to the residence where the neighbors heard the noises. LE must have had a field day there. Is that also the home where MT was showing LE around and specifically pointing out areas in he back-she must know something about his trail. I believe there was also poison ivy found somewhere in the wooded area of the back. Also, the FBI was involved from the beginning, as was the Marshal's Office. Those agents do not play!

 

[oceancalling]

I keep trying to keep my mind trained on what these guys want. They both crave all the money they can possibly get from Jennifer's family. That's a given.

FD knows the only way to get rich again is through custody of the children. Ah! That elusive trust fund!

Then there's the fact that he really wants to stay out of jail. How could he not be worried sick about what the children, especially the oldest, can and will tell about him under oath?

We don't know what he said to them or where on the property he went during the party at Jennifer's house but they know! They can tell who was doing the abusing when they all resided together and they know who was bat-poop crazy. He needs to carve them away from GF's herd to protect himself.

Ole Pattis wants the money, for sure, but he also needs a constant fame fix. He's got PR people reporting daily how many times his name is seen in print and he's diggin' it. In the long run it isn't really going to matter to him if FD is in the pokey; he just needs a dramatic story to sell.

He took this case knowing the client was smiling into a camera with blood virtually dripping from his hands and that dramatic "Not guilty!" moment was never going to happen.

Pattis wins, no matter what and FD loses big time. I can sleep at night with that outcome much as I can't stand the Patterer!

Excellent point about the kids! IMO there is no choice but for LE to ask the children questions. There are professionals within LE who are trained to do so in a manner that precludes successful court challenge. Those kids know more than is fair to them. So, sure, I bet the C Team wants to get to those kids as soon as possible. Those slicksters will not concern themselves with proper method of questioning. THAT is is why Dr. Dollars has joined the C Team, to both influence the children's memories, and to set up an "They didn't do it right" challenge to the method in which the children were questioned by LE.

This has zero to do with FD's concern for anyone but himself. He is constitutionally incapable of loving anyone but FD. His C Team is worried about what the kids know, so it must be really, really bad. Think about FD's years of manipulation and abuse. The kids saw and heard it. Small ears hear much more than we grown-ups think they do!

I also believe FD may have historically been more successful in alienating the oldest boys against their mother. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened in family court. Maybe, they were his princes, as someone here opined. Daddy's buddies, daddy's advocate, daddy's spies. "We can't ski anymore together because Mommy won't let us" "See how Mom overreacted when I let you have fun driving Daddy's Porsche and now we can't have fun together anymore" "It's Mommy's fault we can't go on a vacation. She won't let us."

Let's not forget the fact that FD insisted on speaking to the children in Greek, even after he was ordered not to do so! Again, he made sure no one could understand what he was telling those kids for a reason. That reason was to be able to continue his manipulation of them. All of those kids have been subjected to his twisted mind games, but perhaps none more so than the oldest two. The C Team is salivating to corrupt those poor boys yet again.

Sadly, in addition to the lifelong loss of their mother, it would surprise me at all if all of them are not further traumatized by what their father will try to put them through on his way to a life sentence. The more I think about the way he used those children, and continues to do so in his perverted attempts to harm the Farbers, the angrier I get. The only difference between Ted Bundy or even the Golden State Killer and this psycopath is body count. FD is evil to his core. Today is mad day! Very, very mad day!

 

[bubby girl]

Thanks. How common is it in the US for parents to take children out of school a couple of weeks early for the summer?

remember, FD was supposed to have his kids for the weekend ( i can't recall the exact days)...a reasonable loving parent would not take kids out of school at the end of the year, however a desperate parent wanting to flee could care less if there were was even one day of school left..my opinion is that FD may have at least considered this, take JD by surprise (like when JD told FD her and the kids were going to visit her father's grave, but instead escaped his monsterous ways, and then infamous 911 call he made after that looking for his family)..who would think he would do that- besides JD and her family?

 

[CTGrammy]

I’m thinking he may have had plane tickets for 6-8 people (MT and daughter are an optional extra). That they were for maybe a 10-day dated return (‘just a regular vacation, your honour’). Once there, and once it was established JD was truly missing, he would have an excuse to keep the kids in Greece, with an aunt/cousin.

If plane tickets were involved, the date they were booked would be interesting.

I seem to remember the kids were getting out from school early that day. Was it the last day of the school year?

Their school had another 3 weeks to go and the early release on the 24th was due to the holiday weekend.

Dr. GF, set the children up with Skype/Video Conferencing from her apartment in Manhattan so as not to have them miss any days.

I Absolutely Agree that FO's plan was to Abscond with the Children, Immediately.

However, FO did not have the children's Passports. For some reason, I remember Dr. GF having them secured in Manhattan. Not sure why I think that, but FO definitely did not have them and he was not allowed, by the Court, to continue with procuring the children's Greek Passports.

This is where the 'Friend's' Private Jet would come in to play.

No Passports needed on a Private Jet and No Flight Plan needs to be filed, either.

There is Always the possibility that FO continued with the Greek Passports. You know, because FO Does Not abide by Court Orders.

I really think FO would have used the Private Jet though, regardless of the Passports. Fewer opportunities to be stopped and he would not need to Purchase Tickets.

FO could drive right up to the Private Jet and the children would be onboard before they even knew what happened. Just another day having fun, flying around in a jet.

Going through Bradley International would have added too much time to the process and the children could have easily texted a friend and/or Dr. GF or the Nanny, that they were about to go on 'Vacation' to Greece.

IMO

 

[CTGrammy]

I think JD might have gotten the suburban after she left FD, so his DNA shouldn’t have been in there.

Exactly.

JD and the Nanny drove the Porsche and the Land/Range Rover when JD escaped with the children.

The Suburban was purchased After they left 4JC so that the Nanny would have full use of the Land/Range Rover.

No need to constantly change vehicles to accommodate the children.

Therefore, the Nanny was provided full use of the Land/Range Rover.

IMO

 

[andalso]

My personal life makes it impossible for me to be here as much as I would like to be but I am constantly thinking about Jennifer, GF and the 5 kids and I can't wait to see Justice for Jennifer.
I am so appreciative to all the posters here, it's a great collective group of caring people!

 

[Jmoose]

Re: who drove Jennifer's Suburban to Waveny Park?

JMHO, anyone involved in equine sports/horsemanship such as polo, or snow skiing, or waterskiing, has gloves.

Women involved also are practiced at arranging their hair to keep it out of the way.

Oh! Look! Gloves on & hair up, who knew???

White Disposable Microporous Coveralls with Hood - XL

Not fashionable, and not Seal footies, but would likely do the job.

Do home builders have access to painter coveralls?

JMHO YMMV LRR

ETA: corrected spelling

Absolutely builders do have access to coveralls-tyvek suits, too. He (FD) may not have necessarily kept them around, but he could have bought them at some point and nobody would have said “what are you buying THOSE for?”

 

[CTGrammy]

Thanks. How common is it in the US for parents to take children out of school a couple of weeks early for the summer?

It would not have mattered to FO that the children still had 3 weeks of school left.

FO would have still absconded with the children regardless, because it is what 'Fo Wants' that is important.

IMO

 

[afitzy]

What did he file? TIA!

@gitana1, FD/Rochlin filed for a psych report on GF on Wed/Thur. GF/Atty Dranginis filed on Friday saying that GF has no issues submitting to such an exam if the court deems it proper but only if FD agrees to do the same. FD/Rochlin also filed to request all the educational and health records of the 5 children which to date have been denied to them by GF. GF/Atty Dranginis I believe said in the latest motion that the concern from GF is that the information on the children (school and health) would be misused or inappropriately used by Rochlin/Pattis. Hope this helps.

 

[afitzy]

Thanks. How common is it in the US for parents to take children out of school a couple of weeks early for the summer?

Not very for older children due to exams (usually in last 2 weeks of semester/term) but its possible for younger children as they don't have exams. But IME most parents leave the children in until the end as there is usually a gap of time post school ending where summer activities and camp starts. MOO

 

[CTGrammy]

I'll admit this one is getting to me. I am about to bring out the white board, but I don't think that would go over well this Labor day weekend! I have 110% confidence in LE, but after that last round of motions, I want to see FD locked up right away. I suspect that is part of the defense "strategy"-infuriate the investigative team so that it acts quickly. That is a novice mistake, and one the folks investigating Jennifer's murder will duly note and proceed accordingly. FD's C team is firing buck shot to see where it will land, but LE knows how important it is to be meticulous in its investigation.

Hahahahaha.

Feel free to use the White board today and tomorrow. Just make sure you transfer to a black board on Tuesday.


I am Sooooo Ready for FO and HO to be behind bars.

That in itself would provide the Relief, Dr. GF needs.

Very hard to receive custody while behind bars, even if the Greek family is available to take physical custody.

IMO

 

[citygirl]

I'll admit this one is getting to me. I am about to bring out the white board, but I don't think that would go over well this Labor day weekend! I have 110% confidence in LE, but after that last round of motions, I want to see FD locked up right away. I suspect that is part of the defense "strategy"-infuriate the investigative team so that it acts quickly. That is a novice mistake, and one the folks investigating Jennifer's murder will duly note and proceed accordingly. FD's C team is firing buck shot to see where it will land, but LE knows how important it is to be meticulous in its investigation.

My guess is LE is jonesing to cuff him. They said from the beginning it was all about Jennifer.

Wouldn't it be grand if they descended on him this weekend? Perhaps he may be entertaining his legal team
and we know that Norm enjoys his cooking. One question? Is FD allowed to drink?

MOO.