Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #19

[afitzy]

Amicable in legal circles means either friendly (but usually not truly friendly bc they’re getting a divorce,) but without fighting, or at least maintaining civility. Amicable also means tolerable proceedings. She knew what was the “norm” (pun intended,) generally how things get divided. Seems she gave him some property, per WS, which I thought was rather generous at the time I read the property division. Looking back, maybe something more than needed to get away from him.

It looked like things in marriage 1 must have been over for awhile as FO was actively pursing JD while still married to wife 1. I agree that when you look at the distribution of assets it looks like she gave more than she had to but perhaps she knew that it was what it would take to escape? IDK. She did move far far away from FO too! MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Car mat from her own suburban means they put her in her suburban and abandoned the car there and transferred her body to another vehicle.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

How long was FD married to his first wife? Was part of this an American citizenship? FD's parents arrived during the first marriage, correct? Wonder if the first wife received any financial compensation for her "efforts"?

IIRC they were married for 4 years total (up to the divorce), they lived together over in Greece (or met there?) for a period, then married / moved to the US (Southern New England I think - RI, CT or downstate NY). She is an American citizen. He divorced his first wife after becoming a US citizen, 'bumping into' JD again (they were both alums from Brown), and within a few months to less than a year married JD. All JMM (just my memory) of posts with links way upthread on FD's history and the Timeline.

 

[gitana1]

And, then there is ARROGANCE....FD greeting the police before he knew that LE knew about his Albany Avenue Date Night. MOO...MOO

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From the Daily Mail and other sources

Wow. Look at that evil "duper's delight".

 

[gitana1]

Exactly! Lol! It’s sad his alibi is MT’s word.

Also, NP said LE was questioning a former FORE employee on Monday. Hmmm. Sounds like the employee is still friendly with FD for NP to know that unless it was the PI sharing info.

I wonder what LE meant when they said that the MIRA search was worth it.

If they have something significant, why not arrest him? Surely they have something?!!!

I’m trying to remain optimistic but when they know the children’s welfare is at stake, it makes me question why they wouldn’t arrest him so custody wouldn’t be an issue any longer.

I know they want the body but it’s time they arrest him and the body will be found eventually, sadly.

MOO

I thought GF had been awarded custody. The judge's decision seemed pretty decisive. Has that changed?

This is, IMO, a case with a lot of very strong evidence.

I think we need to be patient. LE is working hard. I'm confident in eventual homicide charges.

 

[gitana1]

Don't forget This picture from the Home Living section of the Hartford Magazine in April of 2011.

He was a lot younger when those photos were taken.

But of course being a murderer and having LE after you has to be aging.

 

[afitzy]

I thought GF had been awarded custody. The judge's decision seemed pretty decisive. Has that changed?

This is, IMO, a case with a lot of very strong evidence.

I think we need to be patient. LE is working hard. I'm confident in eventual homicide charges.

@gitana1, GF was awarded custody by Judge Heller. Pattis/Rochlin/FO had previously issued an immediate appeal to the GF custody award.

FO/Pattis/Rochlin filed last week in Family Court to request that atty's be made available for the 2 oldest who are now 13 but will shortly be 14. FO/Pattis/Rochlin then filed in Family Court to request all/any school and medical reports from the children.

I've been going down the path that GF team is setting up case for termination of FO parental rights with goal of adopting the children. Its high risk long term battle but GF might just believe the children are in danger from FO. Perhaps FO/Pattis got wind of this strategy and are setting the stage for their appeal of the GF custody award? IDK. But there has to be something behind the activity in Family Court IMO.

Curious what you see going on with the Pattis strategy!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Not that it makes a difference now, but who called it an amicable divorce? They didn’t fight over any stuff that we know of, but “amicable” sounds “friendly” to me, and I am not sure I completely buy that it was friendly-she may have been relieved to see the back of him as he left, though. She hasn’t spoken publicly, so we likely won’t ever know what happened with those two. He may have called it “amicable”, because he is the one who wanted out, I think. I just don’t see him letting go of someone who he thinks belongs to him, unless he is the one who wants out. Look at how he behaved with JD, and he didn’t love her. She had to sneak away, after months of planning (likely).

FD did want out of his first marriage by all appearances - he married JD within months of his divorce. MOO

 

[Southernsnooper]

Is it possible that KN thought he may have been treated like a c0-conspirator and believed he was about to be charged or implicated in
the murder scheme?
This may still happen, IMO. Two peas in a pod.

ITA. All of FD’s efforts to meet with KM’s wife mere days leading up to 24 May is just too close for comfort. Perhaps both KM and FD concocted plans to have their wives killed by the crowbar character wielding the gas can (or another accomplice) to do the dirty work with the agreement that FD and/or KM were responsible for the Suburban plant and disposal of the body/evidence. They met on the 23rd for the planning party and KM slept over and why he’s the early morning alibi. With all 3, the timelines are easily met. I wonder if the neighbor’s camera captured KM’s car at JC 23/24 May. MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Wow. Look at that evil "duper's delight".

As well has his defensive body language.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

He was a lot younger when those photos were taken.

But of course being a murderer and having LE after you has to be aging.

Yes, he seems to be morphing into that convicted criminal look already. Mind over matter, I suppose.

 

[afitzy]

Source: Hartford Courant (Restaurant/Car Mat/FD)

@davealtimari


It's likely the mat left at Milagro's was picked up by someone to use as bed. The owner showed me a spot behind their place where homeless people sometimes sleep. He showed state police in May. They seem to be game changing pieces of evidence in Dulos case now in the wind.
the surveillance video's show a man that prosecutors have said is Fotis Dulos grabbing the mat and/or carpet and placing against the wall of Milagro's. It was long gone by the time state police detectives showed up the next week
The restaurant is located adjacent to the garbage can where another city man told The Courant he found a bloody pillow and a knife. Neither of those items has been found either. All of the items were disposed there by same man on the night Jennifer Dulos was reported missing.

Here is the map for Milagros - 515 Albany Avenue, Hartford, CT

Google Maps

 

[afitzy]

As well has his defensive body language.

Its interesting that arms crossed the body in a 'hugging motion' are viewed by many body language experts as a self soothing and calming effort.

The situation at 4Jx was tense, scary as at least 3 state police suvs were present and no doubt confusing to both FD and MT. Both FO and MT IMO looked agitated and tense in the other pictures but even so neither ever cooperated with LE. Shortly after that picture was taken I believe FO and MT had to go to Litchfield for DNA testing.

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

If NP is keeping KM in the case to preserve an attorney client privilege, that ship has sailed. Two criminals cannot plan to commit a crime together and claim the conversations planning that crime are somehow covered by a privilege merely because one of the criminals happens to hold a law license. It is called the crime fraud exception to the privilege rule and is applied everywhere, EVEN CT.

If I were KM, I would seriously be asking myself how much further I want to stroll down FD's certain path to destruction. Why in the world would he want to take the fall for FD? As has been shown by the pictures posted by the wonderful folks here, no one comes out unscathed from their encounters with this malignant narcissist.

Next up, in MY opinion only-KM is the accomplice LE has been referring to. This means planning; this means KM is is serious, serious trouble. He needs to get independent advice of competent counsel whose initials are NOT NP, and who has absolutely nothing to do with that firm! He is going to go down with FD's sinking ship otherwise.

Mmm, two sailing references and knowing the key FD is holding in the picture posted is to a boat. Maybe it is, although I still believe the garbage dump is the actual "key" to solving this case.

Prosecutor has to know or really have a great basis for suspecting criminal intentions between lawyer and client in order to force testimony. Check out Nolo.com. Or just bring up criminal intent exception. Plenty of informative articles on the internet.
I agree with you. I think lawyer is the alleged accomplice. Right now, all that they have is alleged meeting with the lawyer at early hours, presumably during time of murder. The timing will be critical.
Drop off at 8:15. She had to leave by 9:30 or so to make 11:00 appt. in NY. It started after 8:15 and before 9:30. Can’t have started after 9:30 bc JD would have already left the house.
So, where was lawyer between 8:15 and 9:30? For all we know, FD could have killed JD. Left her in garage under a vehicle. Cleaned up in kitchen. Went to meet lawyer wherever they were supposed to meet. FD could have set up the alibi by using lawyer. Then scrambled back either before or after cleaning woman at noon.
But if lawyer cannot account for his location until late morning, maybe that’ll be enough for judge to force testimony.
Wrong place at the wrong time.
LE is also searching for DNA of lawyer through everything they have found to date. To get more than a hunch. Have they grabbed lawyer’s electronics?
FD waving key to watercraft? Come on. He’s giving us the clues: I know I did it and I know how I got away with it.
Verging on criminal insanity. IMO.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

If NP is keeping KM in the case to preserve an attorney client privilege, that ship has sailed. Two criminals cannot plan to commit a crime together and claim the conversations planning that crime are somehow covered by a privilege merely because one of the criminals happens to hold a law license. It is called the crime fraud exception to the privilege rule and is applied everywhere, EVEN CT.

If I were KM, I would seriously be asking myself how much further I want to stroll down FD's certain path to destruction. Why in the world would he want to take the fall for FD? As has been shown by the pictures posted by the wonderful folks here, no one comes out unscathed from their encounters with this malignant narcissist.

Next up, in MY opinion only-KM is the accomplice LE has been referring to. This means planning; this means KM is is serious, serious trouble. He needs to get independent advice of competent counsel whose initials are NOT NP, and who has absolutely nothing to do with that firm! He is going to go down with FD's sinking ship otherwise.

Mmm, two sailing references and knowing the key FD is holding in the picture posted is to a boat. Maybe it is, although I still believe the garbage dump is the actual "key" to solving this case.

Back to the boat key for a second...does it appear to you that he is holding that key up in the picture on purpose?
It does to me. Do we know when or where that picture was taken?

 

[citygirl]

If NP is keeping KM in the case to preserve an attorney client privilege, that ship has sailed. Two criminals cannot plan to commit a crime together and claim the conversations planning that crime are somehow covered by a privilege merely because one of the criminals happens to hold a law license. It is called the crime fraud exception to the privilege rule and is applied everywhere, EVEN CT.

If I were KM, I would seriously be asking myself how much further I want to stroll down FD's certain path to destruction. Why in the world would he want to take the fall for FD? As has been shown by the pictures posted by the wonderful folks here, no one comes out unscathed from their encounters with this malignant narcissist.

Next up, in MY opinion only-KM is the accomplice LE has been referring to. This means planning; this means KM is is serious, serious trouble. He needs to get independent advice of competent counsel whose initials are NOT NP, and who has absolutely nothing to do with that firm! He is going to go down with FD's sinking ship otherwise.

Mmm, two sailing references and knowing the key FD is holding in the picture posted is to a boat. Maybe it is, although I still believe the garbage dump is the actual "key" to solving this case.

All makes sense to me.That's why I question the veracity of Norm's statement about looking for the body. Because there were conflicting statements about where the trash went initially, my greatest fear is that much of it went into the incinerator. Though they did go through that mess for 3 weeks looking for evidence and implied it wasn't fruitless.
Might as well add that this group of investigators are real professionals, IMO. Norm is rattled without any leaks. They have kept it so close to the vest. Kudos to them.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

. This story is about evidence missing and probably lost in the Jennifer Dulos case. A carpet or mat left by Fotis Dulos the day she disappeared that is now gone it seems. A
A carpet or mat believed to be tied to Jennifer Dulos’ disappearance was left at a Hartford restaurant the day she went missing, but investigators can’t track it down
State police have interviewed the employees of a Hartford restaurant where a section of carpet or mat they believe is tied to the May 24 disappearance of Jennifer Farber Dulos was left the day she went missing – the second key piece of evidence investigators have been unable to track down.

He wrapped her up it that carpet. I wonder if it was hers from the house somewhere?

 

[afitzy]

ITA. All of FD’s efforts to meet with KM’s wife mere days leading up to 24 May is just too close for comfort. Perhaps both KM and FD concocted plans to have their wives killed by the crowbar character wielding the gas can (or another accomplice) to do the dirty work with the agreement that FD and/or KM were responsible for the Suburban plant and disposal of the body/evidence. They met on the 23rd for the planning party and KM slept over and why he’s the early morning alibi. With all 3, the timelines are easily met. I wonder if the neighbor’s camera captured KM’s car at JC 23/24 May. MOO

Yes!

I've always been curious about 'party' at 4Jx on Thursday as the timing was IMO just too coincidental.

Who was there? What time did they arrive? What time did they leave? Was the purse being left behind a staged act by FO and/or MT?

After reading today's wonderful posts and new articles I do wonder strongly yet again about the accomplice angle. Seems to make so much sense. I also wonder if the Hartford CCTV has the pictures of FO placing the black suburban mat against the restaurant wall?

Curious why this new info about the mat is now being confirmed (as it had previously just been a highly speculated about rumor for weeks)?

MOO

 

[sds71]

thekirbyfamily took a pic of that restaurant

here's thekirbyfamilys post about it
And the best for last:
Remember someone asking about the possibility of their being private garbage service at the site? Directly next to the Spanish restaurant which shares the building with the store are two large trash dumpsters. There is also another trash can that the man with the bike is standing by. It looks a little different from the city ones but I can't really tell. Those "dumpsters" made me think. Going all the way back to the days of Manson and his girls dumpster diving for food...I don't think people call someone looking in a trash can a dumpster diver, doesn't that usually imply someone has climbed inside the dumpster and is moving things about as they dig? I could be wrong here but did LE, the media, or just us here call him a dumpster diver? Remember when we were discussing here why anyone would put a bloody pillow and knife in just a trash can? Or why someone like drug guy would just reach into a garbage can without being able to see what he was grabbing? Maybe that's because the pillow and knife weren't in a trash can but instead in one of these dumpsters. Maybe drug guy wasn't reaching blindly into a trash can but was fully inside the dumpster. Does anyone know if LE, the media, or if it was just us here that used the terms "dumpster diving" or "dumpster diver?" Because if it was said by LE or a quote from them was given to the media,meant I'd be willing to bet it was done to send a message to FD that we know it all...even what you put in the dumpster. Then again and according to Patti's, maybe there wasn't all these stops with bags deposited at various garbage cans, maybe it was just the dumpsters that had it all in them. Or maybe other stops were made as setup/decoy stops. In MOO
And the best for last:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/img_20190806_144415311_burst000_cover_top-jpg.197205/

 

[afitzy]

We can search for the search warrant, right?!! I guess I need to find the link to do just that!

Search warrants are sealed in the criminal case right now until September (13th I think).