Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[thekirbyfamily]

Ok people, CT is NO different than any other states in this regard . The have have not difference as you put it , is the country at large NOT just CT. Getting kind of tired of reading things about this state that are not true .

I have ALWAYS said these things are my opinion, based only on what has happened to my family while living here. I grew up in a city with a nationally-known gang problem and have lived in several places across the country...I have never seen or experienced the things I have in and around Hartford before (Albany Avenue, Park Street, and the Flatbush Walmart make the gang bangers in my hometown look like creampuffs). I saw Eddie Perez is running for Mayor of Hartford again...wtf? A convicted felon? That's how it's done here. New Haven, Bridgeport (who's current mayor is also a convicted felon), Stanford aren't much better. For people such as myself, daily life and the most simplest tasks are exhausting. Going to the grocery store? Shouldn't be a stressful thing right? Not until you realize you have to watch the price every single item in your basket rings up because inevitably you will be over charged multiple times. You wanted milk, bread, and meat that the date wasn't changed on and isn't rotten? Guess you'll have to waste gas heading back to the store to return it and face the stare down from the employees because this is not something the haves would do, they would just buy more. Another thoughtless task should be the ability to drive your family to and from where they need to be without worrying about losing your insurance because you have been in 3 hit and run accidents in 2 years, which has destroyed your record due to no fault of your own. I haven't even mentioned the near deaths of two of my children in utero and at birth due to neglect/bad treatment at the hospitals. I have watched life here destroy the smartest man I have ever known. Three college degrees including a Ph.D (that he can't pay on the loans it took to get), brought here for a state job that he makes a $1,000 a year above the cut-off for foodstamps, can't provide for his family, has been taken advantage of more times than I can count, and just got tired of explaining to his kids why our family can never buy anything, yet those around them have everything because it either comes out of their dad's paycheck, it's gotten by illegal means, or they are independently wealthy...he snapped from trying to hold it all together for so long and always failing. Being warm in the winter? Thinking you deserve heat? Well, that's an extravagance. You see, his $59,000 annual salary from the state is too high to qualify for heat assistance and we don't do illegal things to get money, so we keep our heat on just enough for the pipes not to freeze and we freeze ourselves. Maybe experiences like mine are why more people move out of CT every year than move in. My family and I should have been everything this state wanted in prospective residents it draws...educated, young, no criminal records, etc. but the taxes, high cost of living and crime rates, and daily shinanigans makes a life here unsustainable if you are not a crook or from money. I would never have believed someone telling me one of the richest states in the nation had so much poverty before arriving here and seeing it with my own eyes...living it really. I never watched, understood or thought the show Seinfeld was funny before living here. Each and every episode makes sense (thinking of "We're living in a society" here) as I have now experienced all of those things at one time or another. Even Stephen King makes references in his novels about the New England butchers putting their thumb on the scale to make your purchase weigh more. Didn't someone say there is always truth in these tales/lies somewhere? I can't state clearly enough this is my opinion only and it is not meant to frustrate anyone. I am glad CT is not like this for everyone.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

Not so sure about Italian, but in Spanish & Portuguese, Urso means BEAR!!!

JMHO YMMV LRR

Love it!

 

[Jen3135]

Respectfully: It seems to me there is a big difference in the level of involvement. He wasn't part of the murder or knowingly part of the coverup (at least, as far as we know), so I personally can't put him on the same level as MT.

Surely he should have spoken up sooner, despite his fear of losing his job with a family to support and not being involved - but we don't know if he did speak up to someone earlier. I think he feared he might be incriminated by speaking up at first - suspecting he was being framed - of course, that is NO excuse - but he hadn't really seen anything, nor did he KNOW there was blood on the seats. Thankfully, he did save the seats (he didn't have to do so) and he did come forward. He also lost his income, or quit, apparently. I don't see how he actually knowingly hid evidence (but I'm not in LE). I'm just not seeing how he's near the level of criminality of MT, who has yet to come even close to clean, MOO.

But yes, he should have spoken up immediately.

 

[Gardenista]

Then I recommend you listen to his wife and his lawyer publicly speak about the toll this tragedy has taken on he and his family. You are entitled to your point of view, but I see no evidence that EE was in any way knowingly involved in this murder. IMO, this is blaming an innocent person for what FD did, like FD's lawyer would have us do. He is already throwing blame on this poor man, quite unfairly IMO. I will not assist him in doing so.

Do you have a link for this? I'd google it, but I can't remember the guy's name.

 

[Jen3135]

RE: EE

I think that as obvious as it is now, looking back at these events - it had to seem surreal to EE while in the midst of it all - and he had to sometimes ask himself "is this really happening?"

I know I would. Then add in he was possibly being framed, his truck was involved in the crime, perhaps he had been treated unfairly or had a bad experience with LE in the past, was scared of Fotis (or afraid for his family), losing his income, I could understand initial hesitation to run to the police.

Still: he trusted his gut (stood firm when asked to leave truck behind for the weekend, saved the seats against FD orders) and was completely honest and forthcoming with information when questioned by LE.

I don't see where he did anything wrong..

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I have ALWAYS said these things are my opinion, based only on what has happened to my family while living here. I grew up in a city with a nationally-known gang problem and have lived in several places across the country...I have never seen or experienced the things I have in and around Hartford before (Albany Avenue, Park Street, and the Flatbush Walmart make the gang bangers in my hometown look like creampuffs). I saw Eddie Perez is running for Mayor of Hartford again...wtf? A convicted felon? That's how it's done here. New Haven, Bridgeport (who's current mayor is also a convicted felon), Stanford aren't much better. For people such as myself, daily life and the most simplest tasks are exhausting. Going to the grocery store? Shouldn't be a stressful thing right? Not until you realize you have to watch the price every single item in your basket rings up because inevitably you will be over charged multiple times. You wanted milk, bread, and meat that the date wasn't changed on and isn't rotten? Guess you'll have to waste gas heading back to the store to return it and face the stare down from the employees because this is not something the haves would do, they would just buy more. Another thoughtless task should be the ability to drive your family to and from where they need to be without worrying about losing your insurance because you have been in 3 hit and run accidents in 2 years, which has destroyed your record due to no fault of your own. I haven't even mentioned the near deaths of two of my children in utero and at birth due to neglect/bad treatment at the hospitals. I have watched life here destroy the smartest man I have ever known. Three college degrees including a Ph.D (that he can't pay on the loans it took to get), brought here for a state job that he makes a $1,000 a year above the cut-off for foodstamps, can't provide for his family, has been taken advantage of more times than I can count, and just got tired of explaining to his kids why our family can never buy anything, yet those around them have everything because it either comes out of their dad's paycheck, it's gotten by illegal means, or they are independently wealthy...he snapped from trying to hold it all together for so long and always failing. Being warm in the winter? Thinking you deserve heat? Well, that's an extravagance. You see, his $59,000 annual salary from the state is too high to qualify for heat assistance and we don't do illegal things to get money, so we keep our heat on just enough for the pipes not to freeze and we freeze ourselves. Maybe experiences like mine are why more people move out of CT every year than move in. My family and I should have been everything this state wanted in prospective residents it draws...educated, young, no criminal records, etc. but the taxes, high cost of living and crime rates, and daily shinanigans makes a life here unsustainable if you are not a crook or from money. I would never have believed someone telling me one of the richest states in the nation had so much poverty before arriving here and seeing it with my own eyes...living it really. I never watched, understood or thought the show Seinfeld was funny before living here. Each and every episode makes sense (thinking of "We're living in a society" here) as I have now experienced all of those things at one time or another. Even Stephen King makes references in his novels about the New England butchers putting their thumb on the scale to make your purchase weigh more. Didn't someone say there is always truth in there somewhere? I can't state clearly enough this is my opinion only and it is not meant to frustrate anyone. I am glad CT is not like this for everyone.

Your detailed experiences in CT are a cause for serious thought. Maybe for discussion but I suppose not on this public thread. Keeping this in line with FD and MT, is what I believe you’re trying to show. How it ties together.
We left the “north” rust belt for many of the same reasons you describe in CT. Moving to the southern part of the USA reduced or eliminated much of the ugliness/attitudes/experiences that you describe.
You and I have seen both sides of the story. Experienced both sides of the trauma. Feel the differences.
I remember keeping the heat on at 66-68 degrees bc of the cost. I don’t need to leave AC on at 80 degrees bc of cost. And gas was and still is much cheaper to use than electric power.
But crime is our focus on WS. What leads to crime? How did FD come to this point in his life?
Major cities are murder per diem centers at unbelievable numbers. And LE can’t stop it. Why not? Bc certain people are favored to the EXTREME not just as a favor? Smollett comes to mind. Special prosecutor appointed. Great. I guess some judges still stand up and do the right thing.
IMOO problems appear to be centered in major population areas. Maybe not. Maybe the problems are exposed more in those areas. Don’t know. But it’s different in different areas of the country. No doubt.
There is no need to continue with more examples.
Just so everyone knows, the buck has to stop somewhere. Right? But I believe we must start the changes needed. We, the People. Bringing up the problems for discussion is the first step. Admitting to the problem.
And I commend you for doing just that.
Best of luck wherever the winds send you.

 

[sds71]

Video Cameras are everywhere — and investigators are using them extensively in the case they are building against Fotis Dulos
The video putting the truck on Lapham Road came from the inside of a school bus, with the truck clearly visible through a folding school bus door. State police also used cameras at two gas stations on the Merritt Parkway, security video from a municipal bus company in Derby and residential security cameras in Farmington and New Canaan to track the path of the truck.

But tracking the truck and putting Dulos in it are not the same thing. Experts said proving Dulos was driving the truck will, obviously, be a burden for the state because none of the video shows clearly who is driving the red Toyota.

“A jury is going to be shown a dramatic story of this truck making a journey that led to the death of this woman,” Wandt said. “A district attorney can take them step by step with this truck, and that will be very powerful evidence.”

 

[MDATCA]

Love the stringy hair comment!

Imo she is very tomboyish in her looks and styling She was definently out of place in the suburbs of CT. Before I saw her pic I imagined the stereotypical younger other woman and was surprised that she wasn't a looker. JF was way more attractive IMO. I also think she Carrie's herself and does less maintenance than Fo.

 

[MDATCA]

I have a quick question. Right before the second AW was released, @sds71 posted some new court records that had just become available. I was thinking one of them was a ruling denying FD's emergency motion to get custody or some such thing. I can't find anything about it because it didn't get discussed with all the breaking news.

Does anyone else remember this or was I dreaming?

He requested school and medical records and before that he requested the 2 older boys have their own atty to make their wishes known.

 

[MDATCA]

I have ALWAYS said these things are my opinion, based only on what has happened to my family while living here. I grew up in a city with a nationally-known gang problem and have lived in several places across the country...I have never seen or experienced the things I have in and around Hartford before (Albany Avenue, Park Street, and the Flatbush Walmart make the gang bangers in my hometown look like creampuffs). I saw Eddie Perez is running for Mayor of Hartford again...wtf? A convicted felon? That's how it's done here. New Haven, Bridgeport (who's current mayor is also a convicted felon), Stanford aren't much better. For people such as myself, daily life and the most simplest tasks are exhausting. Going to the grocery store? Shouldn't be a stressful thing right? Not until you realize you have to watch the price every single item in your basket rings up because inevitably you will be over charged multiple times. You wanted milk, bread, and meat that the date wasn't changed on and isn't rotten? Guess you'll have to waste gas heading back to the store to return it and face the stare down from the employees because this is not something the haves would do, they would just buy more. Another thoughtless task should be the ability to drive your family to and from where they need to be without worrying about losing your insurance because you have been in 3 hit and run accidents in 2 years, which has destroyed your record due to no fault of your own. I haven't even mentioned the near deaths of two of my children in utero and at birth due to neglect/bad treatment at the hospitals. I have watched life here destroy the smartest man I have ever known. Three college degrees including a Ph.D (that he can't pay on the loans it took to get), brought here for a state job that he makes a $1,000 a year above the cut-off for foodstamps, can't provide for his family, has been taken advantage of more times than I can count, and just got tired of explaining to his kids why our family can never buy anything, yet those around them have everything because it either comes out of their dad's paycheck, it's gotten by illegal means, or they are independently wealthy...he snapped from trying to hold it all together for so long and always failing. Being warm in the winter? Thinking you deserve heat? Well, that's an extravagance. You see, his $59,000 annual salary from the state is too high to qualify for heat assistance and we don't do illegal things to get money, so we keep our heat on just enough for the pipes not to freeze and we freeze ourselves. Maybe experiences like mine are why more people move out of CT every year than move in. My family and I should have been everything this state wanted in prospective residents it draws...educated, young, no criminal records, etc. but the taxes, high cost of living and crime rates, and daily shinanigans makes a life here unsustainable if you are not a crook or from money. I would never have believed someone telling me one of the richest states in the nation had so much poverty before arriving here and seeing it with my own eyes...living it really. I never watched, understood or thought the show Seinfeld was funny before living here. Each and every episode makes sense (thinking of "We're living in a society" here) as I have now experienced all of those things at one time or another. Even Stephen King makes references in his novels about the New England butchers putting their thumb on the scale to make your purchase weigh more. Didn't someone say there is always truth in these tales/lies somewhere? I can't state clearly enough this is my opinion only and it is not meant to frustrate anyone. I am glad CT is not like this for everyone.

We felt the same about NY and I am talking about the western NY area not even the city.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Wasn't there supposed to be some skiing show she hosted for CNN? I wonder if you can watch any of it on YouTube?

Even if there was, I doubt she ad-libbed it, and instead probably read off cue cards, so I don't know how useful it would be for fluency.

We felt the same about NY and I am talking about the western NY area not even the city.

Doesn't that area (western NY) encompass Utica, which is, in the words of my father (born and raised Buffalo suburbs), "an old Mafia town"? If so, maybe you can't blame the good people for being a little nervy, as the bad people are/were pretty bad:

The Final Days Of The Mafia In Upstate New York: Utica Mob Murder Timeline (1970-1990) - The Gangster Report

 

[thekirbyfamily]

Your detailed experiences in CT are a cause for serious thought. Maybe for discussion but I suppose not on this public thread. Keeping this in line with FD and MT, is what I believe you’re trying to show. How it ties together.
We left the “north” rust belt for many of the same reasons you describe in CT. Moving to the southern part of the USA reduced or eliminated much of the ugliness/attitudes/experiences that you describe.
You and I have seen both sides of the story. Experienced both sides of the trauma. Feel the differences.
I remember keeping the heat on at 66-68 degrees bc of the cost. I don’t need to leave AC on at 80 degrees bc of cost. And gas was and still is much cheaper to use than electric power.
But crime is our focus on WS. What leads to crime? How did FD come to this point in his life?
Major cities are murder per diem centers at unbelievable numbers. And LE can’t stop it. Why not? Bc certain people are favored to the EXTREME not just as a favor? Smollett comes to mind. Special prosecutor appointed. Great. I guess some judges still stand up and do the right thing.
IMOO problems appear to be centered in major population areas. Maybe not. Maybe the problems are exposed more in those areas. Don’t know. But it’s different in different areas of the country. No doubt.
There is no need to continue with more examples.
Just so everyone knows, the buck has to stop somewhere. Right? But I believe we must start the changes needed. We, the People. Bringing up the problems for discussion is the first step. Admitting to the problem.
And I commend you for doing just that.
Best of luck wherever the winds send you.

Understood. I won't comment, respond, or defend myself again over life here in CT.

Just so it's noted, it wasn't about keeping it in line with FD and MT, it was more about defending PG and his working class life because a lot of unkind/snobbish things had been said.

 

[littlegreen]

I have ALWAYS said these things are my opinion, based only on what has happened to my family while living here. I grew up in a city with a nationally-known gang problem and have lived in several places across the country...I have never seen or experienced the things I have in and around Hartford before (Albany Avenue, Park Street, and the Flatbush Walmart make the gang bangers in my hometown look like creampuffs). I saw Eddie Perez is running for Mayor of Hartford again...wtf? A convicted felon? That's how it's done here. New Haven, Bridgeport (who's current mayor is also a convicted felon), Stanford aren't much better. For people such as myself, daily life and the most simplest tasks are exhausting. Going to the grocery store? Shouldn't be a stressful thing right? Not until you realize you have to watch the price every single item in your basket rings up because inevitably you will be over charged multiple times. You wanted milk, bread, and meat that the date wasn't changed on and isn't rotten? Guess you'll have to waste gas heading back to the store to return it and face the stare down from the employees because this is not something the haves would do, they would just buy more. Another thoughtless task should be the ability to drive your family to and from where they need to be without worrying about losing your insurance because you have been in 3 hit and run accidents in 2 years, which has destroyed your record due to no fault of your own. I haven't even mentioned the near deaths of two of my children in utero and at birth due to neglect/bad treatment at the hospitals. I have watched life here destroy the smartest man I have ever known. Three college degrees including a Ph.D (that he can't pay on the loans it took to get), brought here for a state job that he makes a $1,000 a year above the cut-off for foodstamps, can't provide for his family, has been taken advantage of more times than I can count, and just got tired of explaining to his kids why our family can never buy anything, yet those around them have everything because it either comes out of their dad's paycheck, it's gotten by illegal means, or they are independently wealthy...he snapped from trying to hold it all together for so long and always failing. Being warm in the winter? Thinking you deserve heat? Well, that's an extravagance. You see, his $59,000 annual salary from the state is too high to qualify for heat assistance and we don't do illegal things to get money, so we keep our heat on just enough for the pipes not to freeze and we freeze ourselves. Maybe experiences like mine are why more people move out of CT every year than move in. My family and I should have been everything this state wanted in prospective residents it draws...educated, young, no criminal records, etc. but the taxes, high cost of living and crime rates, and daily shinanigans makes a life here unsustainable if you are not a crook or from money. I would never have believed someone telling me one of the richest states in the nation had so much poverty before arriving here and seeing it with my own eyes...living it really. I never watched, understood or thought the show Seinfeld was funny before living here. Each and every episode makes sense (thinking of "We're living in a society" here) as I have now experienced all of those things at one time or another. Even Stephen King makes references in his novels about the New England butchers putting their thumb on the scale to make your purchase weigh more. Didn't someone say there is always truth in these tales/lies somewhere? I can't state clearly enough this is my opinion only and it is not meant to frustrate anyone. I am glad CT is not like this for everyone.

I am young in Connecticut and I can second all of these things. I am receiving my terminal degree from Yale this May and won’t even be able to afford to stay here and use it because it’s such a hard place to live.

New York State has an initiative to keep recent grads in the area to diversify the economy. CT need something like this.

 

[spaz1959]

Understood. I won't comment, respond, or defend myself again over life here in CT.

Just so it's noted, it wasn't about keeping it in line with FD and MT, it was more about defending PG and his working class life because a lot of unkind/snobbish things had been said.

I understood that to be what you are saying.

 

[waldojabba]

If I had been around someone a lot who was being looked at related to killing someone, I would ask my attorney as a heads up if there was any way I’d get dragged into it even though I had nothing to do with it because anything is possible in this world. This does NOT mean that I think MT was innocent. MOO.

I am not sure we know her status as to whether she is an American citizen? She could have overstayed her temporary visa or something along those lines and needed to get in front of that issue.

 

[pandaknows]

IMHO a lawyer’s reputation does not rest upon the type of client they represent. It rests upon how they can assist the client for the best outcome, given the facts presented to the lawyer from all sources, about the client and the situation they are facing.

Love your take on how to even begin unravelling a complex ethical dilemma - faced by attorneys meeting clients every day, IMO. I would add that if Bowman made a clear statement, eye to eye, to every person involved in this case from the first contact he had with anyone related to this case: "I represent MT and my job is look after her best interests, regardless of who is footing the bill", Bowman should be all right. Nothing in the AW's or court documents indicate to the contrary. MOO.

 

[CTGrammy]

I think if LE believed they needed an interpreter they would have used one.

I do think she was saying that the body of Jennifer was in the Tacoma because of the evidence that was provided her, but I thought she was just being coy.
Instead of stating that she knew it for a fact, she phrased it in such a way as to suggest she assumes it's true because LE found her blood there.

It's just a way of avoiding the question and not directly admitting to it.
I think she understands just fine. Imo

Exactly. That is how I understood as well.

I also think that her 'short and exasperated' comment about taking EE's keys was because she was frustrated and irritated with the questions and said 'I took the keys, I just took the keys' because she did not want to say that FO Told her to take the keys.

I have No Doubt that FO Told MT to take those keys and leave 80MS Before FO returns with EE.

MT is Still Protecting FO and saying as little as possible.

MT has not given up anything of substance.

IMO, Identifying herself and FO in pictures, where it is Obvious that it is FO and MT, is Not Cooperating with LE in my definition of Cooperating.

IMO.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I think if LE believed they needed an interpreter they would have used one.

I do think she was saying that the body of Jennifer was in the Tacoma because of the evidence that was provided her, but I thought she was just being coy.
Instead of stating that she knew it for a fact, she phrased it in such a way as to suggest she assumes it's true because LE found her blood there.

It's just a way of avoiding the question and not directly admitting to it.
I think she understands just fine. Imo

Yeah, I'm with you. I too thought that statement was the equivalent of "since you are telling me that you found Jennifer's blood inside the door, I would assume that the blood was transferred directly from her body." I would even call it a slightly sarcastic rendering.

 

[afitzy]

The question I would like to return to is afitzy's discussion of blood loss. Has information about the amount of estimated blood loss been disclosed? Clearly, there was blood in the garage, enough to be observed by LE and we know about the very bloody pillow. Is it thought that most of the blood loss occurred in Jennifer's garage? If not, it would seem there is a lot of unaccounted for blood. There have been references to blood in other locations and it seems those locations are important. It seems LE has been vague about this.

After trying and failing to complete any meaningful timeline for MT, I am now back on thinking about blood loss as I agree with @oceancalling that its an interesting line of inquiry. There haven't been that many references to amounts of blood by LE in the AW's but there have been numerous references to blood in general. We know that the avg human body has roughly 5 litres of blood. So, how much blood can we account for based on the very limited info that we have from MSM and LE AW documents? Will be heading over to the media thread and reading and posting on this topic to try and make an estimate.

Given that FD/FO is now speaking to Dateline/NBC about the fact that he had 'nothing to do with the disappearance' and 'believes that JD is alive', there seems to be a total disconnect in the narrative of the case between Pattisville/AKA Fantasy Island IMO and CT State Police that as of Friday were speaking of JD in the 'past tense'.

MOO

 

[waldojabba]

Wasn't there supposed to be some skiing show she hosted for CNN? I wonder if you can watch any of it on YouTube?

I think it was ESPN “SnowTime” 2004 maybe - I believe it only lasted a few months.