Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

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interesting text on Military Criminal Investigations-
some quotes from this-
"A homicidal stab wound often penetrates a
victim's clothing. For this reason investigators
must exercise special care when removing and
checking victim's clothing."
12-115-
"Strangulation is a fairly common form of suicide but it is a RARE form of homicide.
Strangulation by a garrote or rope or wire is
sometimes used in homicidal strangulation but
it is not seen very often"
some good reading if you have time and the stomach.
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-13.pdf
 
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Yeah that’s true now that I think about it. I’m sure LE was able to determine which type of spatter was involved. Like I think the high velocity spray pattern is usually form blunt force versus other kinds from stabbing. Anyway I can’t even think about it bc it makes me sick when I think of FD. Such a scrawny punk, hope he gets smacked around a little in the prison yard. MOO.

I have done quite a bit of work in jails (and a little in prisons). I'd say that it's going to be FD's personality and attitude that get him in a world of trouble while incarcerated. He's exactly the kind of person that guards can't stand. Most of my work in jails has been in creating training for new guards (all of them are uniformed LE where I work - it's always their first assignment). Guards learn to be patient with everything except a narcissistic sociopath like this guy. They are just able to get under everyone's skin (in the same way they can get a lover to be totally charmed by them, they can inspire true hatred quickly).

The inmates will be mostly garden variety antisocial personalities, but it will be his cockiness/narcissism etc. that do him in (perhaps literally). He won't have a team to play on, he won't have anyone to manipulate. The other prisoners will be mostly hardcore manipulators themselves. This is reminding me why I don't do the prison work any more.

I'm sure LE has excellent spatter analysis. They just don't have the weapon and they don't have the body. Personally, I think they have enough to convict or would have enough in many jurisdictions. I am biting my tongue, so as not to mention the California jurisdictions that would probably only convict him of interfering with a crime scene or some such nonsense.
 
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No specific costs by activity yet for this case but as of a couple weeks ago the overall cost of the investigation was $600,000 and climbing I believe. MOO
And if they found no pieces of JD in that landfill maybe they will award one of those cops the pleasure of cuffing him. They must be steamed after spending 3 weeks in there.
MOO.
 
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Just putting this out there...what if the doctored plates were for the Toyota Tacoma, with the thought at the time being if it was spotted on CCTV while say, MT was dropping FD off at WL, the connection wouldn't have been made? She then drove it to the park and waited for him to arrive with the Suburban. It would have went under the radar and not have been traced to his his employee of all people. You have to think way back, to FD and MT's planning stages, before we knew of the plates existence or even that he/they had PG's truck that day. Just because the AW doesn't specifically say anything about the Toyota Tacoma being seen near JD's house, doesn't mean it wasn't and could be coming in the next AW. The pre-planning of this was thought out and calculated, WL was the turning point. Whatever happened there changed everything. As far as the Oddyessy of Stupidity down Albany Avenue and carelessly disposing of evidence, I've heard when people do something questionable that makes them nervous, squirm, or afraid of being caught they just want to be done with it ASAP, to just put it out of sight and out of mind as quickly as possible, and to have nothing around that reminds them. This is huge in intimacy killings. They didn't think of their stupid moves or think in that neighborhood it would ever be connected back to them. Did whatever happened at WL and all the blood that really wasn't supposed to be part of it make them want to get rid of it all the quicker? Did they try to get back on plan with the "attacked while jogging and the Suburban at park" staging but were never quite able to pull it all back together? Just some thoughts I am having...moo.
 
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Didn't JD have a phone call from a friend that last morning? What time was that call if anyone remembers.
 
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All good questions which I have no answers for!
I think we will learn that there was copious amounts of blood in the garage.
We know that his DNA was mixed with her blood on the kitchen faucet.
Does LE have more than that they have not yet revealed?
IMO this was a passionate rage killing. Up close and personal.
To your point about blood loss I seem to recall an interview where a professional estimated blood loss to be around 3 liters (most bodies have 5 liters I believe) based on the 1st AW vague statement of violent act and splatter and then the info about bloody items found on Albany etc. I'm not seeing someone survive the loss of this amt of blood.

Does anyone?

The State Police spokesperson yesterday spoke of JD entirely and sadly in the past tense.

Flash forward though to what is going on in Pattisville and the upcoming NBC interview and FD is now going to claim that JD is "ALIVE".

Seems entirely improbable and a cold and calculated move to taint the jury pool further IMO. Originally I was hoping the gag would be imposed on Monday such that the airing would be delayed. But then someone posted that no, the better idea is to play the interview out such that it can seen in court in all its technicolor glory down the line! Totally agree!

Can you imagine the State doing a cross examination of FD (don't think he will ever take the stand but would love to hear his explanation) sometime in the distant future:

ATTY: Mr Dulos, at the time you did the Dateline interview in 9/19 did you know your wife to be deceased?

FD: I'm not sure how to answer that question your Honor?

Judge: Mr Dulos, its a simple yes or no question.

FD: I'm not sure.

Judge: Mr Dulos, the only acceptable answers here are yes and no.

FD: I am invoking my 5th amendment right to self incrimination.

MOO
 
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Didn't JD have a phone call from a friend that last morning? What time was that call if anyone remembers.
From MSM and AWs I don't think we have specific answers to this other than the stmt that the friends and GF were concerned that JD missed the appts on the 24th and didn't make it back to GF apt by end of day.

Many DV victims have check in procedures with friends etc. so many here believe that JD frequently checked in with friends via text and they didn't hear back from her all day.

We have also thought that the nanny would be in contact with JD all day too via text and phone and she no doubt heard nothing from JD as well. MOO
 
  • #1,088
I'm with you on this theory! MOO

What my search history will include..Sheesh...he could not have stabbed her as she would have left her entire body’s worth of blood on that garage floor says google...my search history..ugh..unless he prepared a plastic "Dexter" kill area, which I no way believe..

I could not get thru the readings about how fast the blood would run out of a person, it was too much...but FD no way had time to clean up a stabbing mess, without blood being every.where...he would have been arrested for murder by now if he stabbed her IMHO..
 
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IMO he was the source" for the Daily Mail article or at least one of the sources. You can tell the whole lot of them are dazed and confused by these latest revelations. The comment about how outrageous it is that FD "doesn't even know" where is children are attending school and "he has a right to know" is classic NP. You don't know where your kids are, dude, because you are a danger to them!

I did chuckle when the source said all of FD's friends are visiting him daily to show their support. Really? FD has friends? That aren't on his payroll? Let me call the BS card on that one. From all reports, FD wasn't likable before he murdered Jennifer, so it is doubtful anyone (other than a death row groupie) is knocking down his door to befriend him.

Oh, and the comment that the money was all gone brought a big smile to my face. I hope this case bankrupts every single person who sucked from the Farber's trough courtesy of FD!

S/Hold on! Are you saying that people are not queuing up to be a FoBro? Get out I would think he could be a great BFF.
 
  • #1,090
interesting text on Military Criminal Investigations-
some quotes from this-
"A homicidal stab wound often penetrates a
victim's clothing. For this reason investigators
must exercise special care when removing and
checking victim's clothing."
12-115-
"Strangulation is a fairly common form of suicide but it is a RARE form of homicide.
Strangulation by a garrote or rope or wire is
sometimes used in homicidal strangulation but
it is not seen very often"
some good reading if you have time and the stomach.
https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm3-19-13.pdf
@enelram, very good article!

If you don't mind my asking are you thinking blunt object used in the garage?

Maybe something grabbed quickly that was accessible like a hammer or wrench?

But for some reason it seems to make sense that he had a knife that was easy to carry and light.

MOO
 
  • #1,091
RSBM:
Many psychologists are incompetent/frauds/Narcs. Just like most anybody can get a law degree, same holds for psychology, IMO. A degree alone means nothing. Book learning means nothing without an internal capacity to process a deeper meaning to what is really going on/being presented. Shallow or amoral people are not going to benefit from such learning or help others either. (Not all shallow people are amoral, just dumb. But I would say all amoral people are shallow). IME.
so right....
I'll never forget one of my first of many psych.
instructors told us people who get into studying psych. are all screwed up and they're trying to unravel their screwedupness. I think
he was right.
 
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I have done quite a bit of work in jails (and a little in prisons). I'd say that it's going to be FD's personality and attitude that get him in a world of trouble while incarcerated. He's exactly the kind of person that guards can't stand. Most of my work in jails has been in creating training for new guards (all of them are uniformed LE where I work - it's always their first assignment). Guards learn to be patient with everything except a narcissistic sociopath like this guy. They are just able to get under everyone's skin (in the same way they can get a lover to be totally charmed by them, they can inspire true hatred quickly).

The inmates will be mostly garden variety antisocial personalities, but it will be his cockiness/narcissism etc. that do him in (perhaps literally). He won't have a team to play on, he won't have anyone to manipulate. The other prisoners will be mostly hardcore manipulators themselves. This is reminding me why I don't do the prison work any more.

I'm sure LE has excellent spatter analysis. They just don't have the weapon and they don't have the body. Personally, I think they have enough to convict or would have enough in many jurisdictions. I am biting my tongue, so as not to mention the California jurisdictions that would probably only convict him of interfering with a crime scene or some such nonsense.
I think the stacking of charges is smart. i hope a couple more get tacked on because the jury will have to consider those charges and it will tell a tale that leads to murder conviction. And juries usually like to get the lesser charges out of the way first. They are going to be given a road map.
 
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If Bowman met with BOTH FD and MT, he needs to move on. He’s violating ethics rules if he continues to represent MT. Conflict of interest. Now if FD waited outside or waited in outer office, for MT to meet privately with MT, probably ok. .
MT's mother and father did not pay for this meeting with Bowman because it occurred on 5/31/19, before the first arrest court appearance on 6/3/19. The money trail will be investigated, even if it takes 5 or 10 years for GF's civil case, fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, bankruptcy and then professional conduct investigations (and if any coverups) to be completely cross referenced. MOO.
 
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Just speculation but here goes!

The search warrants are currently sealed and not available to the defense for another week or so. These seals can be extended but I would think that the State would have to give a good reason why to justify the extension. These arrest warrants show that the investigation is active and ongoing but its slow going. The latest arrest warrant deals with events from June and there are clear gaps in much of the information in the warrant so there is much that LE has been working on that needs to remain secret/sealed so the investigation can continue.

I also believe that as we saw in the MT warrant that she lied for 2 months to LE and was just starting to cooperate slightly as of 8/13/19. This is a recent development and she no doubt has much to share if she chooses to. But based on how I thought her Atty looked at her latest bail visit and the fact that he felt compelled to say that she should be presumed to be innocent (after saying that his personal policy is NEVER to speak to the press on active cases) told me that he has a very very rough row to hoe to get MT to cooperate with the State. My guess is that MT lied to her atty as well as the State and this has put Bowman in a very awkward position as its not easy to represent a liar who most likely is involved with the murder of JD. If MT is choosing to lie because her mother is telling her to do so to wait for a better deal, I would encourage MT to ditch her mom and listen to Atty Bowman, as otherwise she will lose custody of her daughter as she will be spending the next 20 years to life in prison. I also question whether Bowman can stand by MT after what has happened but we shall have to wait and see if he files to be excused from representing her.

This gets to my last guesses as to why more charges now.

The more charges the more potential prison time so if charges can be stacked it might make sense to do it as so far there is no JD body. Murder trials with circumstantial evidence are tricky operations and the State has to present a perfect case to get it right to win a murder conviction for FD and possibly MT. More charges give some leeway that if murder cannot be agreed to by the jury that a long sentence is in store for FD and MT for the other stacked charges.

Reading through the arrest warrants its clear that any number of other charges could have been brought by the State but they didn't. An easy example of this was MT lying to LE which is punishable by prison and yet she wasn't charged for it (YET and this is impt too because they can bring it at a later date if she doesn't stay on the straight and narrow IMO). But the arrest warrant is an official document and it clearly states she admitted to lying to LE multiple times over a 2 month period. Mmmm. Sucks to be MT right now!

The charges also documented in technicolor to Pattisville that the State knows where FD was on the 24th and what he did. No Case Norm has been coming up with off the wall theories for months now including that MT was going to be FD alibi. Well now, all this is off the table and Pattisville actually has to do some legal work to defend their client in court and their flimsy motions to dismiss will no longer fly IMO.

I'm sure there are many other ideas but I am sure it will become clearer as we move on to more charges at some point.

MOO MOO MOO
I was shocked but not surprised when I heard FD say he thought his wife was still alive. Of course, in the very same interview he used the past tense when referring to her. Oops, he forgot to stay on point with his Alibi Script! Can I again mention that pesky rash, and I don't mean the poison ivy rash, that pops up on his neck during every interview I have seen of him? That was a tell IMO. A second tell mentioned by another poster was his speech- very slow and controlled. He didn't want anything to slip, so he was trying to moderate tone and delivery. Polygraph operators see this all the time, but what the subjects of those exams do not understand is that good poly operators look for such signs as indicators that the subject of the exam is lying. He can control his speech, but he cannot control his body's physical response to his lies.

Allowing FD to continue on his publicity tour is one of the dumbest forced errors I have seen in awhile. Every single statement he makes is coming in at trial, and for him to say he thinks Jennifer is alive? Seriously? Dumb, dumb, dumb. If he truly thinks Jennifer is alive, why did he wash EE's truck without EE's knowledge, paying cash to do so? Why did he insist EE change out the seats? Why the Alibi Scripts? Why his refusal to cooperate with LE? It seems if he TRULY believed Jennifer was alive, he would be Johnny on the spot in assisting LE. After all, if he could actually prove that lie, he would have those kids he claims to love so dearly.

IMO, the novel Gone Girl is relevant to this case, however, just not in the way FD anticipated it would be. He read that book or saw that movie and said to himself, "That's the way I'm going to do it, make everyone believe my sorry wife abandoned our children to spite me. Everyone will feel sorry for me, hate her, and with the kids' trust money, MT and our happy family will ride off into the sunset." This certainly would explain him parking that truck where he did.

I believe he used the EE as his back-up insurance policy in case things did not go according to plan, which they clearly did not. FD had no idea all of his travels would be caught on video from the neighbors' cameras to the bus cameras to the cameras on Albany Avenue to the cameras at the ATM, and even the cameras at the carwash. He was so stupid he drew cash out of the ATM to hide his tracks and didn't even consider the cameras at the ATM! Don't even get me started on his ignorance about cell phone evidence. With that evidence not in the picture, EE could well have been considered a suspect.

Time and again, from his ill-conceived interviews to his sloppy mistakes throughout the commission of this crime, FD told on himself. This latest interview is nothing more than the same type of thinking that led FD to convince himself he could commit the perfect crime in the first place. The next time he is taken into custody, it will be for first degree murder IMO. He just wasn't the criminal mastermind he thought he was.
 
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And why in the heck would he go into the house? I mean, DNA on the faucet, really? Was't there a hose outside somewhere?
One possibility (of many) is Jennifer brought some Fotis DNA when she went in to wash up after a struggle had begun but hadn’t ended.
 
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@enelram, very good article!

If you don't mind my asking are you thinking blunt object used in the garage?

Maybe something grabbed quickly that was accessible like a hammer or wrench?

But for some reason it seems to make sense that he had a knife that was easy to carry and light.

MOO
I've looked and looked for a good description of the blood splatter/spray pattern and have seen nothing descriptive which would pinpoint
type of weapon used.
Blood splatter is a fascinating read if anyone
has time. Amazing what they can detect from this and it has become such a precise science today.
So to answer your question, I keep trying to fit
all the clues here but if there was a lot of blood
shown on floor it does lend itself to blunt force
trauma, IMO. Maybe hammer, ax, hatchet.
Also wonder if LE checked tires on Suburban for blood, like, did he also run her over after
bludgeoning her. I know it was a horrific
method whatever he used. He wouldn't do something half-way, IMO.
 
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Someone mentioned in one of the articles that they would convene a grand jury. If true , would that already have begun?
 
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One possibility (of many) is Jennifer brought some Fotis DNA when she went in to wash up after a struggle had begun but hadn’t ended.
IMO, I don't think that would be the case. FD would never let that happen. And the last thing on JD mind would be to wash up. If there was some break in the action, 911 call would be first thing she would have done. Not concerned about washing up after a struggle. MOO.
 
  • #1,099
I've looked and looked for a good description of the blood splatter/spray pattern and have seen nothing descriptive which would pinpoint
type of weapon used.
Blood splatter is a fascinating read if anyone
has time. Amazing what they can detect from this and it has become such a precise science today.
So to answer your question, I keep trying to fit
all the clues here but if there was a lot of blood
shown on floor it does lend itself to blunt force
trauma, IMO. Maybe hammer, ax, hatchet.
Also wonder if LE checked tires on Suburban for blood, like, did he also run her over after
bludgeoning her. I know it was a horrific
method whatever he used. He wouldn't do something half-way, IMO.
IMO, he would only have to hit an artery or two. She could have bled out in minutes. Blood, lots of blood.
 
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This is probably of no significance but is something I have been thinking/wondering about.... in the AW, EE mentioned something about thinking possibly that FD could have been water skiing on that particular day. I wonder if this has any weight to it - I am in no way questioning or doubting what EE said - but rather questioning of course FD's where abouts - for example, was FD possibly wearing his water skiing attire that day and/or were there other hints/signs/etc that he had been water skiing that day and/or was going to go water skiing that day. It might have just been a statement in passing by EE, but my point being, FD could've used water skiing as an excuse to be at or nearby the water to place/dispose of JD's body in the water. JMO, but I do still lean strongly towards dismemberment of her body and her being in the water.
 
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