Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #21

[oviedo]

I have had a particular thought since we first learned about EE.

EE spoke informally with LE before FO/MT arrest and then formally on June 2. Then spoke informally again on June 6 at the time of the EE red truck search warrant.

IMO, All Without legal representation, since EE had Nothing to Hide.

We know by June 14, that EE not only had an Attorney, but had a Quality Attorney.

I am thinking that after LE found that EE's red truck was used in the commission of a crime among other evidence found by LE, that perhaps LE explained Everything to EE and Highly Suggested that he obtain Legal Representation Immediately.

Perhaps, LE even assisted in helping EE find Quality Legal Representation and perhaps it is pro bono.

Not because he was in any way culpable, but because LE could see the writing on the wall and that EE was possibly being Set Up or at the very least was going to be alluded to as being a possible suspect by NP/FO.

Guess What?

That is EXACTLY what happened when NP said that EE was a 'Handy Man With Something to Hide' after FO was arrested the second time.

Being represented by an attorney can in no way be construed as being culpable in a crime.

LE most likely expected that EE would be thrown under the bus by NP/FO, and he was.

EE Absolutely Needs to be Protected by Legal Representation against False Allegations made by NP/FO.

Well Played LE and EE.

All IMO.

Very well put! I’m curious if they shared their thoughts about her status with him after processing JDs garage ? JMO

 

[BellaVita]

It is interesting to me that EE lives in Simsbury, Ct. I live in another town contiguous to Hartford and we all consider Simsbury one of the more wealthy towns. Along with Avon, Farmington, Glastonbury ( across the Connecticut River).

It has been somewhat odd to me that so many posters automatically equate being an immigrant with poverty and inability to navigate their surroundings. It's stereotyping, IMO. And distasteful. MOO.

 

[dkryder]

yeah, i can actually see this guy FD turning on MT at some point trying to convince people that she did it and all he did was help with cleanup because MT said she would blame him if he did not. these two are like a high society east coast version of the nurse and cowboy in Colorado. except FD blabs more.

 

[citygirl]

Here is what I think IMO is going on with MT and her lies. Basically I agree with @afitzy that the reason for the lies is that she’s trying to avoid incriminating herself for murder, and she’s playing cat and mouse here as LE pulls out more evidence on her, she’s giving just the minimum she has to.

MT first interview was on 6/2 in NC jail the day after she and FD were arrested. MT was no doubt in terrible shape since LE arrived at Residence Inn around 11:30pm on the 1st and then MT was driven down to NC and booked in, and then I’m sure nice and comfy in her bed in the jail. I’m sure she was in great form the next day.
Nonetheless it appears that in the interview with Bowman present on 6/2 she just repeated the alibi script. LE didn’t have the alibi script yet (according to AW they picked that up on 6/3) but they had enough evidence to see through her alibis and story that it was inconsistent. (I guess MT should have kept the script in her pocket at all times to refer to, in her state that day she probably flubbed some of the details. Even if she got it spot on it was obviously a crappy alibi plan anyway).
I’m sure Bowman had been privy to some of the alibi details based on her meeting with him earlier in the week, but I imagine he was not impressed by the terrible performance with LE poking holes in her story that day at the jail.

On 6/3 according to the AW, LE finds the alibi script at 4JC. This triggers them to get MT back in for more questioning. In the meantime MT has bailed out and no doubt Bowman is trying to get MT to clean up her act, and to tell the truth to LE, or at least to him! Bowman is also likely educating MT on the severity of the consequences she’s facing.

So MT and Bowman do the 2nd interview with LE on 6/6, this is the one that was highly publicized in MSM. According to AW, at this second interview MT comes clean that she can’t alibi FD between 8am and 1pm. Apparently though (Deducing from times in AW) she still sticks to the shower scene in this interview, happening between 6:40am and 8am (presumably when she left to take her daughter to school. School starts at 8:15 and it’s 20 minute drive.) she’s also shown the alibi notes in this interview and admits to writing them out.
Does Bowman believe at this time that MT is lying? Clearly MT has ponied up a lot more at this point, and Bowman had likely made the stakes clear to her. But her performance in this interview also sounds quite miserable from the AW, given that she tells LE the alibi script was just to help them “remember” what they had done. Later LE can poke holes in the alibi script.

In the meantime, Bowman advises MT to stay away from FD (possible that family members of FD and MT were ferrying info and plans to patch up the alibi and stay consistent) and petitions to send her out of state to NY. As we saw this didn’t work out and she was back in CT out and about socializing.

By the 3rd interview on 8/13, LE has figured out the red truck involvement and also likely has the whole afternoon timeline based on MT phone records, AW states that FD called MT to bring the red truck keys back to EE that afternoon, etc. And LE have her movements on video and phone records of the car wash and bank withdrawal.
At this point, Bowman likely instructs MT it’s her last chance and she has to admit she was lying before. She does that and comes clean (sorry for the terrible irresistible pun) about not actually lathering up with FD that morning (I know, ew!!) and about the urgent need to haul out garbage bags and rags to clean a coffee spill off EEs filthy beater truck seat before anyone can get the holiday weekend started (sorry EE, but you yourself said you rarely clean your 18 year old truck).
But MTs still hedging around in this 3rd interview and being “coy” as someone generously put it previously, about why they went to clean the truck and whether she followed FD there or he just phoned her up out of the blue to come get him- this is where she’s still lying to cover up her own role in it. She knew full well why the truck was being cleaned and was full well involved in taking it to the car wash and paying for it, and it wasn’t to get that coffee spill out. (A $250 coffee spill, huh?).

Given this consistent lying through all these interviews, to LE and almost certainly to Bowman as well, IMO MT knew about the plan to get rid of JD and knew what had happened that day. Her continued reticence to be truthful and up front regarding the evidence LE does have and show her indicates she still has something to hide. IMO Bowman has a tough job and MT is making it even tougher. MOO.

MOO on everything here.

I just reread the AW for the third time.
Totally agree with everything you have said.
IMO, she is still being uncooperative and I think @afitzy is right when she says LE ain't gonna play much longer.
It will be interesting to see if Mr. Bowman stays on the case.
MOO.

 

[Ruminations]

I am sorry, but Do What? Surely, I misunderstand your post.

Are you saying that JF would say to FO 'oh, wait a minute killing me, because I have to go inside and clean up a bit and then you can continue killing me'?

IF that were an option, I would have thought the first order of business would be to Get Out and Run For Her Life.

IMO.

Once again, it is only one possibility of many. All of us are climbing into the heads of people we don’t know-

I think you do understand my post but disagree. You don’t see my proposed scenario happening.

But, on my trips into Jennifer’s head, she was terrified of Fotis, but also had the ability to use her quiet disposition to calm him.

One way I imagine it is like this. Even when her brain said run like hell, her heart sometimes said, it will be different with children- it will be different with girls- he lost his mother, of course he’s edgy - his business isn’t doing well, that’s why his edgy - my mother isn’t on board with these low interest loans and my father died - that’s why he’s edgy.

Even at the ambush point, I don’t see Fotis just hopping in like it’s a boxing arena and the bell rang. I see him sweet talking her, and possibly trying to get her to leave with him alive so he could do the deed somewhere else, making kidnapping/stranger assault more likely. Like pulling the knife just to tell her not to call 911 or anything- then begging her with his best saucer-shaped eyes to believe he now sees how good she has been to him, how Michi was just using him, how for the kids he will do better with the therapy and he hopes to get back together again....whatever BS comes to mind.

Of course, at the first moment something doesn’t go his way he acts out impulsively - and causes a bleed. Like he hits her and her mouth is bleeding. He instantly turns himself into the victim- how much trouble he is going to be in. She washes up her face in the kitchen while he is calling in after her- so sorry Jenny- I can’t believe this happened- all I wanted to do was start again - even if you won’t come back - we can at least do this decently- blah blah

Jennifer thinks and says no, and assertively walks with her head held high planning to get into her car and drive away...and Fotis responds impulsively, violently, fatally.

(And once again, is the victim. Look what she made me do.)

I wasn’t there. It is a theory. I have some familiarity with DV, and I stand by my assertion that it is a viable theory.

With a moo moo here, and a moo moo there...

Peace, Ruminations

 

[Rosiebones]

It has been somewhat odd to me that so many posters automatically equate being an immigrant with poverty and inability to navigate their surroundings. It's stereotyping, IMO. And distasteful. MOO.

I surely didn't mean that at all. I just live here and was expressing a point of view as a local. The area down along New Caanan and Westbrook is called the Gold Coast. No judgement intended.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I have entertained this chain of events also but have two concerns.
1. The plates were so crudely doctored that I wonder if he would have risked them being notice close up by a dump attendant. Being caught by a camera on a highway might not have been as great a risk.
2. If he left Welles immediately after the bloody murder and clean up, how could he have risked being seen up close with blood all over himself and his clothes? He would have had to get out of the car to discard the bag/s.

He may have done this and lucked out but it is quite a risk to take. What are the open hours of the transfer station

He could have worn some sort of vinyl jumpsuit and booties over his clothing and then simply took them off and into the trash bags. I take it there were no cameras at the dump facility.

 

[citygirl]

COMPLETELY agree with this assessment. If she were not so heavily involved with "something to hide" she'd have given him up by now - particularly since she has her daughter - that's got to be #1 on her list, creepy as she is.
moo

I can't get my head around having a young daughter and being involved with all this. What was she thinking and where are her priorities?
MOO.

 

[nina318]

yeah, i can actually see this guy FD turning on MT at some point trying to convince people that she did it and all he did was help with cleanup because MT said she would blame him if he did not. these two are like a high society east coast version of the nurse and cowboy in Colorado. except FD blabs more.

Well - NP did say in a radio interview after the second arrest that MT is now the "enemy" and they will be "digging into" her. FD's true love and "alibi" has become the "lying lover". MOO!

 

[BellaVita]

I surely didn't mean that at all. I just live here and was expressing a point of view as a local. The area down along New Caanan and Westbrook is called the Gold Coast. No judgement intended.

I don't mean what you posted. I understood your post perfectly.

 

[Mimi in London]

i didn't get this before, bowman was talking to her, and she had no acknowledgement of him talking..

don't recall seeing this link before..need a laugh here, the female reporter kept pronouncing fotis' name as 'foteese'.. LMAO now....

the footage of MT trying to close the hotel door has been on several news feeds..since i don't recall reading it here before- thought it was funny that door wouldn't close as hard as she was trying..heehee

I found this segment amusing, too.

And in the clip of MT, Mom and the Attorney, it’s clear who is Boss. There must be a whole host of research out there about the effect of overbearing mothers on their offspring.

Eta link Exclusive: State's Attorney, Investigators Meet With Woman Charged In Missing Conn. Mom Case

 

[Jmoose]

The Bowman meeting actually made sense and I was surprised she was on the ball and got assistance before her was tossed in jail! My guess is that Mamma A. was behind this proactive move! We don't know how much she told Mamma A.

MT and FD knew that they were being looked at for the disappearance/murder of JD starting the day after JD disappeared IMO which was the 25th.

We don't know exactly what MT has done etc. but so far in my mind it looks like she was 'all in' from the beginning of the murder plot and actively participated in the coverup via the 'alibi scripts' and EE truck games. She knew she was legally at risk so went to Bowman to plan and discuss her options.

I sincerely hope that MT simply received the advice to 'say nothing' and that her atty was not part of any of the subsequent plans that we saw in the 2 months of MT lying to investigators as that would be disasterous to all involved. I also hope that Bowman and his client weren't trying to 'game' the system and simply got caught in their 'games' with LE as LE was meticulous in their follow up on the MT answers given/not given in the 2 meetings before 8/13 IMO.

IMO also there is NO WAY that the most recent charge for MT isn't devastating for MT and Atty Bowman. That MT AW was quite clear in its proof for the additional charges IMO but was also quite clear that NUMEROUS other crimes had been committed by MT FOR WHICH SHE HAS NOT YET BEEN CHARGED. The message to me on the MT AW was that the State was saying to BOWMAN an MT, "Don't you dare waste our time any further and NO MORE LYING". I think I counted at least 3 other crimes that MT could have been charged with that she wasn't charged with in the latest AW. As @MassGuy has said, MT is toast and IMO rightfully so as she is a murderer.

Who knows what was discussed with Bowman early on. It could have been as simple a BS story you have to help us because my boyfriend is being targeted by the NCPD in the disappearance of his STBX and we/I don't know what to do. This BS story probably fell away shortly when the substance of what was going to be charged was known from NCPD. MT would have asked Bowman how to respond to LE questions and whether she should submit for DNA testing voluntarily or wait for warrant.

Most likely Bowman also picked up the phone and called NCPD or perhaps State Police to try and get some info about charges. Then Bowman would have orchestrated the bail hearing and arranged bond. MT had a much smoother bonding process vs FD and this must have been because her family got the money to CT quickly and she had Bowman lined up to assist.

MT also ended up in IMO "Taj Mahal Jail' in NC vs being placed in BPT. IMO she was treated with kid gloves vs FD. I also wonder if the State might have avoided 2 months of lying if they had placed in her BPT and delayed the bail hearing for as long as legally possible? IDK.

MOO

BBM-I think they would have gotten better results, faster, if they’d put her in a more appropriate jail. She might have thought of jail in NC as something she could do, standing on her head. Are there facilities for women in Bridgeport?

 

[Ruminations]

Thank you for catching that. I did not proof read my statement before posting. Yes. It was May 25th when FO was turned away by GF's Armed Security Guard.

I remember that FO went to GF's shortly after he left LE that Saturday afternoon.

Did we ever determine if FO took the GAL with him to GF's?

FO was due visitation that morning for the day. However, at 9:00 am, he was called by LE to come by the NC LE station. FO and original attorney arrived in NC that afternoon.

Otherwise, IMO, FO would have been on GF's Doorstep at 10:00 am that Saturday morning to Demand his children.

Love That Jersey Girl GF and her Armed Security Guard.

IMO.

I agree, except I imagine he thought there would not be a missing persons report yet, and he would appear at Jennifer’s house as if he didn’t know she wasn’t there.

(And Perhaps use the time to get more cleaning done.)

 

[sleuth66]

Here’s an important question for MT, so she admits to LE that

So I Googled 61 Sturbridge Hill, New Canaan today. Just wanted to know how many bathrooms. I'm sure all the sod was recently laid down. Well, well, well. Today, Sunday, September 8, 2019, is Open House by the realtor. Websleuther in the neighborhood? MOO.

I recall there was an open house there pretty early on in the case, July or first week of August latest. Maybe it was even in June actually, I remember thinking it a bit ghoulish to have an open house there so soon.

 

[citygirl]

Respect your POV on this and will post the stats to support the longstanding existence of "Two CTs" from a wealth perspective. I agree these wealth gaps are a nationwide issue but its quite stark in CT. Not sure which part of the State of CT you live in but when you look at macro economic stats the data is quite grim IMO.

Industry has been fleeing CT for years due to taxes and regulation and frankly dysfunction in Hartford govt. More people have left CT each year than move in and this stat has been consistent over 20 years. CT has one of the highest personal tax burdens in the country, housing is expensive, young people cannot afford to move into the state and real estate values have posted 'real' and 'actual' declining stats for over 20 years as well.

Poverty is alive and well in Fairfield County if that is the part of the State you are from. The stats on the number of children in Fairfield County going to school each day hungry are staggering IMO given the areas wealth. As I said previously in a much earlier thread, under the veneer of weath in Fairfield County lies much poverty. The local Food Bank in Stamford routinely asks for donations because they have been hit hard with increasing demand for assistance.

As the @thekirbyfamily so clearly explained, the issue in CT is not only is there a large group of folks that qualify for govt asst but because things are so expensive that people that work but don't qualify can't afford to feed their families, pay rent and heat their apts or houses. Sounds crazy but its totally true. The food bank I'm talking about did a rough survey of their typical customer and that person had an avg salary w/i the household of $40-$50,000. Let that sink in because in my book that is pretty incredible as in most parts of the country you would be ok with a couple of kids, house, dog and that household income. But in Fairfield County that salary means you will struggle and stuggle big time. There are many local families that go to area church dinners and soup kitchens because its cheaper than actually cooking hot meals for their families.

Yes, this is happening in Fairfield County where in places like NC the avg house costs $1.2 million and has taxes of over $22,000/yr. and the avg car costs $30,000 etc.

IMO most people don't see this because it doesn't hit you in the face as on the surface most people are making it from pt a to pt b and their children look well fed and clothed. But scratch the surface and the stories you will hear IMO are incredible. Many are stuggling to hang on and for so many the struggle simply becomes too much and they leave.

I have heard so many stories similar to @thekirbyfamily to absolutely believe what she is saying and its heartbreaking when bad things happen to good hardworking people. We had local teacher that made a good salary but had huge student debt from a masters degree she got before joining the school district. She struggled to buy a car and find housing and pay the student loans. If the district didn't help her in her early days of employment she wouldn't have been able to come to teach in CT.

MOO MOO

This is so sad to read. I left the state 22 years ago in the late 90's. I remember in the late 70's and 80's going to dinner in Hartford. Going to the Bushnell . Fireworks downtown gazing at the gold dome of the capitol. The Hartford Whalers!
It was a wonderful place to raise children.
Amazed at the poverty level in Fairfield County.
Isn't it one of the wealthiest counties in the nation?
MOO.

 

[citygirl]

I am not an attorney, but if I were NP I would try to stop Dateline from running that interview tomorrow night. It was recorded before the second arrest. IMO, it will not help his case one bit. The last one was a disaster - he appeared cold, rigid, and calculating. And that smirk, which I am now thinking may be an involuntary reaction to being anxious or nervous.

Although, I did read that JD's family spokesperson was interviewed. It should be interesting. MOO!

Family spokeswoman is a class act. I may just watch it if she is on.MOO.

 

[afitzy]

While I agree with what you're saying BUT
how do you explain that her bail amount in the
second Arrest is 1/5th of his?
why were LE so lenient? Do they know that she was a reluctant participant? Are they trying to be semi-sympathetic to her at this point? Did Bowman or his reputation talk them down? Or is she simply not considered a
high flight risk? Scratchin' my head.

Can't disagree. Didn't get it either.

Perhaps they are using the old 'carrot and stick' routine as perhaps based on who she is she is saying I'm willing to help but you need to give me something NOW!

Only thing I could think of as if her frame of reference is the system of Venezuela then the State of CT and Atty Bowman have quite a long road ahead of them with MT. The other thing I keep thinking about is that working with liars and cheats is an art and sometimes you get it right but other times it just can't work.

Given her background both personally and her mother as a convicted felon with alot of experience with the US legal system, I really wonder if MT just might not be one of those cases that simply won't work. Those statements in the arrest warrant just keep kicking around my brain and I'm not convinced MT is someone the State can "work" to get a good result.

Can she give up an 'accomplice' in NC, can she find the JD body or parts or is she just willing to tell half truths and lies and thinks that she will game the system to the end? The State IMO believes she has something to share but you know they don't trust her further than they can see her and are looking everywhere for CCTV and digital evidence to support anything she says.

In a perfect world IMO MT would simply be loaded up with charges, tried and spend the rest of her sorry life in prison. Unfortunately for now the State has to try to 'work' her. I wish the State luck but I don't see Atty Bowman having much impact and for lack of a better description I just see MT as the equivalent of a 'hardened criminal' who will do and say anything to anyone so long as it serves her purposes. In short, AMORAL MONSTER.

Hope the tides turn on MT and some good information is shared but I am not sure she is up for any of it.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

If, in fact, LE did find evidence that JD's body did go through MIRA and therefore was not enough to collect and bury or cremate, is it possible that LE has told GF and there is an agreement that a memorial service would be postponed for awhile until the case is made?

No info on MIRA results other than an earlier statement from State Police Spokesperson saying the 3 weeks at MIRA 'were worth it'. We shall have to wait and see.

 

[sleuth66]

Respect your POV on this and will post the stats to support the longstanding existence of "Two CTs" from a wealth perspective. I agree these wealth gaps are a nationwide issue but its quite stark in CT. Not sure which part of the State of CT you live in but when you look at macro economic stats the data is quite grim IMO.

Industry has been fleeing CT for years due to taxes and regulation and frankly dysfunction in Hartford govt. More people have left CT each year than move in and this stat has been consistent over 20 years. CT has one of the highest personal tax burdens in the country, housing is expensive, young people cannot afford to move into the state and real estate values have posted 'real' and 'actual' declining stats for over 20 years as well.

Poverty is alive and well in Fairfield County if that is the part of the State you are from. The stats on the number of children in Fairfield County going to school each day hungry are staggering IMO given the areas wealth. As I said previously in a much earlier thread, under the veneer of weath in Fairfield County lies much poverty. The local Food Bank in Stamford routinely asks for donations because they have been hit hard with increasing demand for assistance.

As the @thekirbyfamily so clearly explained, the issue in CT is not only is there a large group of folks that qualify for govt asst but because things are so expensive that people that work but don't qualify can't afford to feed their families, pay rent and heat their apts or houses. Sounds crazy but its totally true. The food bank I'm talking about did a rough survey of their typical customer and that person had an avg salary w/i the household of $40-$50,000. Let that sink in because in my book that is pretty incredible as in most parts of the country you would be ok with a couple of kids, house, dog and that household income. But in Fairfield County that salary means you will struggle and stuggle big time. There are many local families that go to area church dinners and soup kitchens because its cheaper than actually cooking hot meals for their families.

Yes, this is happening in Fairfield County where in places like NC the avg house costs $1.2 million and has taxes of over $22,000/yr. and the avg car costs $30,000 etc.

IMO most people don't see this because it doesn't hit you in the face as on the surface most people are making it from pt a to pt b and their children look well fed and clothed. But scratch the surface and the stories you will hear IMO are incredible. Many are stuggling to hang on and for so many the struggle simply becomes too much and they leave.

I have heard so many stories similar to @thekirbyfamily to absolutely believe what she is saying and its heartbreaking when bad things happen to good hardworking people. We had local teacher that made a good salary but had huge student debt from a masters degree she got before joining the school district. She struggled to buy a car and find housing and pay the student loans. If the district didn't help her in her early days of employment she wouldn't have been able to come to teach in CT.

MOO MOO

I want to tie in another way how this whole discussion about wealth/poverty/“Gold coast” CT mentality directly plays into the FD murder of JD.

If you look at FDs narcissistic personality and his track record, he was always striving to make the “step up” to Fairfield County- you see this in the ads and interviews for Fore that are always comparing to Fairfield County, you see this in the divorce papers where FD contends JD told the kids that smart people live in NC and your dad’s not that smart and thats why he chose Farmington. Paraphrasing here, and we know FD lied about what JD told the kids, but it shows what stands out to him.
FD could not stand it that JD not only escaped him with the kids and left him living in a house indebted to her mother, with a failing business to boot, but did so to live in NC of all places while he was left behind in Farmington.
You see, it’s FD that believes that smart people live in NC and stupid second class people live in Farmington (in 15000 ft2 mansions). Nobody in New Canaan is opining about Farmington and how much more their money could buy there.

 

[afitzy]

He could have worn some sort of vinyl jumpsuit and booties over his clothing and then simply took them off and into the trash bags. I take it there were no cameras at the dump facility.

We don't know what the camera situation is at the Transfer Station. NC has a long history of fighting cameras in public places and we are seeing this fight play out now where even getting 3 cameras in Waveny Park is getting pushback from the NCPD and certain Town Selectman even though over 2,500 signatures were provided in support of the cameras.

NC IMO is a conservative and old time kind of place where IMO many people bask in a false sense of safety and secuirty that is not consistent with the world around them.

IMO also they do this with many having state of the art security systems with full video and lights!

Have to stop typing or it will never end on this issue as I am beyond disgusted with the NC Police Board and NC Police Chief on his ongoing games with security issues in town and the cameras in particular! The First Selectman was quite clear with his directions to the NC Police on Waveny Camera and so far as I can see they did not comply with his directive regarding the Waveny cameras and they did this with the full support of the Police Board.

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO