Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #22

[Mimi in London]

I have just skimmed through the last few pages and think I am pretty much caught up, but forgive me if this has been discussed before.

I watched the Gray Hughes video last night. Agreed, it gives great visualization, and I am thankful he was caught on school bus video. Those videos are so important!

Anyway, I have always been certain that some type of disposal took place at 80 MS, however, now I am not so sure. The Tacoma appears to me to have only two doors and no cap on the back. Where would he have put her? It would have been so difficult to get her into the back seats, and the back of the truck was open (as far as I can tell). I can't imagine he drove with her in the passenger seat all of that way.

I am off to school now, but I would love to hear any of your thoughtful ideas about how this transport could have happened.

In a large tool bag? Like Cowboy Patrick Frazee did with Kelsey Berreth.
Moo

 

[oviedo]

In a large tool bag? Like Cowboy Patrick Frazee did with Kelsey Berreth.
Moo

or a water ski bag? do they make those?

 

[bubby girl]

I’m catching up
On se

Mmm. Almost through NP's hour of free publicity. Some observations: 1.Where is the mention of the EE's statements to LE? Had Dateline already finished the edit or was that particular evidence so conclusive of guilt that there was no longer a "mystery"? This is absolutely critical to the story! Shame on Dateline for not including it; 2.In addition to finding NP a barber, will someone tell the man to find a decent pair of shoes? 3. FD hasn't given many statements? Oh, please, he'll talk to whoever puts a microphone in front of his face (and of course, agrees not to ask him any hard questions); 4. No mention that the alibi has been blown apart of the Alibi Scripts??? Has Dateline not even read the latest AW or again, did it not fit the prearranged Mystery Script? The complete failure to mention the evidence in the 2d AWs in just plan bad reporting.

Finally, some of FD's comments were so very telling, including, "it was going to be an amicable divorce" "We just grew apart"and, of course," I don't owe Dr. Farber money." What about the affair, dude? I have nothing to hide? Seriously? Why did you refuse to talk to LE on the 25th and have failed to do so every single day since that time? Why did you tell the EE to change out and destroy the seats? Why did you rehearse the fake alibi with MT in front of the EE? Why did you pay in cash to have EE's truck detailed without EE's knowledge or consent? Why did create the false Alibi Script??? The list of "things" FD "has to hide" goes on and on!

And the way he kept referring to Jennifer in the past tense. "I wish she WERE here to sort these things out? And then he caught himself and tried to change his tenses. He used the past tense because he knows she is dead. So very, very telling, the smile, the eyes, the rash. Has anyone since Scott Powell given such a terrible interview? And, if I recall, didn't Mr. Powell also claim that his wife had left with the kids and he just wanted her to come back home?

The story ignored a whole lot of evidence that any good reporter would have included, but as a mentor once told me,"Good lawyers don't try their cases in the media. They try them in the courtroom." NP and his clown shoes have gotten their 15 minutes of fame. While NP is enjoying this free publicity, his client will pay for it for the rest of his life. And that will be the justice that Pattis claims he is seeking and that FD so clearly deserves.

i’m behind and sorry if this is asked already..I did not see the ‘show’, so hopefully will see it replayed..dying to know this- what is the rash u r referring to?

 

[BellaVita]

But once the jury was death qualified, which is only done in 1st degree murder cases where the State is seeking the death penalty, it didn't matter about the lessors IMO. In Florida, there is a 6 member jury in criminal cases EXCEPT in capital cases, where the defendant is entitled to a jury of 12. If you wonder what the difference is, ask 6 people to agree where to go to lunch and then ask 12 people that same question. It is obviously much harder to get 12 people to unanimity.

Had 2d been charged, it would have been an entirely different jury selection process and an entirely different jury. Anthony also would not have received so much free assistance from everyone from jury selection experts to psychologists to defend herself. The dynamics would have been radically different. MOO! MOO!

https://people.com/crime/how-casey-anthony-was-acquitted-jurors-explain-verdict/
" And we talked for a while, then it was 11-1 to acquit. And the guy who didn’t want to acquit basically looked at us and said, ‘Okay, whatever you all want.’ He knew he wasn’t going to convince us.”
Sickening. That's how easy it is for 12 sheep to agree on something. I agree about your take on dynamics, however I believe a death qualified jury is usually more prone to convict and then there is that lesser charge to fall back on. Very unusual people they bused over from Tampa. MOO.

 

[sds71]

The Disappearance of Jennifer
S2019 E9091909/09/19

 

[sleuth66]

There’s a very, very biased story in CNN today, highlighting only FD script from Dateline, and only mentioning the Albany Ave bags and not saying anything about details in the 2nd warrant. This is a pure FD PR piece. (MOO).
Missing Connecticut mom's husband said in an interview he 'had a beautiful life' prior to her disappearance - CNN

I wonder how much NP paid for this placement? (MOO). Here’s some text from NP’s PR agency (per his website) just to be clear on how he works. Make sure to read that last paragraph...

BBM:
“Elite Lawyer Management attorney publicists and law firm PR pros are highly credentialed former journalists adept at winning and managing media attention for attorneys, law firms, and their clients.

While most law firms issue press releases and self-aggrandizing media pitches and wonder why they get nominal coverage, our media experts win vastly more media placements with timely, well-packaged stories offered with a high authority legal commentator as the narrative’s voice.

Legal professionals who are constantly in the news are certainly more visible but more important, they are appropriately perceived as highly credible thought leaders in their specialties and thus more valuable to existing clients and prospective ones.”
Elite Lawyer Management: Law Firm PR & Lawyer Talent Booking

This post MOO.

 

[Chicago54]

Couple of other things:
1. JDs phone. It was pinging along with her vehicle when it was driven away from her residence at approximately at 10:25 am. When was it turned off? On Lapham Road where her Chevy Suburban was abandoned?
2. What occurred between 10:25 and 11:12 am? Apart from transferring JD body and other items from Chevy to Tacoma?
3. Was anything of forensic value obtained from inside the Suburban?
4. Did FD ever fill the Tacoma up with gas either on May 23 or May 24?

Admittedly I do not know this latest AW as well as I do for June 1st by heart. So if 1-4 are in there it is merely because I missed it. If y’all know please fill in. I dozed during the Dateline special.

Seems like the Dateline special was a doze-worthy event. I taped it, but now feel it’s not worth my time.

I still have some theories I’m floating on theses issues. I haven’t been able to ‘dis-clude’ them based on logic or LE statements on evidence.
1. JDs body was left within walking, carrying, or dragging on a car mat, distance from her home. Buried or sunk. In other words, she was not in Chevy, but clean-up items were.
2. JDs body and clean-up items were in Chevy, but body was disposed of before car reached Waveny. 47 mins allowed enough time. (I believe only 12 were needed for travel?) Phone may have been turned off immediately after leaving her home on WL
3. Blood was transferred into Tacoma by FD (and/or MT-haven’t ruled that out yet either- we need to see where it was found on seats) and clean-up items.

Hoping for another warrant and more dribs of info...

 

[enelram]

I concur re: the knife. Especially the part about LE not having spoken directly about it. The HC made it seem like they have spoken about it, and that’s one of the things that is driving me crazy about their reporting. If all a person did was read that paper, and haven’t been following along here, you’d assume LE thinks it’s the knife that killed her, but they’ve said no such thing yet. Like you, I don’t want to fully invest in that particular item (yet).

Can't read the HC so can you please tell us the
source attributed to the knife information?
Who, exactly, said it's the murder weapon?
Where is D. Altimari getting this information?
Does he say?
thanks-

 

[Mimi in London]

This to me looked like a solid, heavy duty case, maybe made of fiberglass, with hinges and a lock. Nothing but the best for Dulos. Easy to slide into a hole, water, a well, especially if filled with water and cement.

Too traceable though?
Moo

 

[Jmoose]

I shouldn’t, but...I just heard a guy on the radio call FD “Fetus Do-less”, and it made me laugh

 

[BellaVita]

I have just skimmed through the last few pages and think I am pretty much caught up, but forgive me if this has been discussed before.

I watched the Gray Hughes video last night. Agreed, it gives great visualization, and I am thankful he was caught on school bus video. Those videos are so important!

Anyway, I have always been certain that some type of disposal took place at 80 MS, however, now I am not so sure. The Tacoma appears to me to have only two doors and no cap on the back. Where would he have put her? It would have been so difficult to get her into the back seats, and the back of the truck was open (as far as I can tell). I can't imagine he drove with her in the passenger seat all of that way.

I am off to school now, but I would love to hear any of your thoughtful ideas about how this transport could have happened.

Are sure there are only 2 doors? I can't tell from looking at the photos. I have been saying I thought she would be in the bed of the truck and 2 doors makes that more likely. Also, the bed easier to clean up than upholstery. It would have been ludicrous on his part to put her in the front seat but then again....so many mistakes. Also, nowhere have I read where it is specified that the seats changed out were front or back seats. I tend to think it was front seats as the back would usually be a bench seat if the Tacoma is in fact only 2 doors.
Photo 2001 Toyota Double Cab back seats 4 door model:

2001 Toyota 2 door model:

2014 Porsche Cayenne back seats. IDK if that was the year of the Porsche in this case.

Can others see definitively if truck was 2 doors or 4? I also wonder if somebody else WAS spotting in the truck and FD got in on the passenger side. I remember NP saying LE was trying to develop an accomplice. How can LE get an accomplice if there has been no crime nor a main suspect/ringleader already identified? Also, is there still a possibility MT could have been on Lapham or is that ruled out?

 

[Chessman]

Tracing Fotis Dulos’ movements the day Jennifer Dulos vanished
The question on this is if he cleaned up the crime scene, how many bags of disposal are there? Not seen in the pick up on return trip?

If you have crime scene disposal clean up bags a pick up is not the best option.

How many bags were disposed of in Hartford? More than 30 stops, but we don't know how many bags.

 

[enelram]

sleuth66 posted this above taken from a lawyer's PR handbook. It's so accurate as keeping their face out in public satiates the
client's need to believe the atty. is actually
doing something but even more importantly
it's done to attract more future clients into
the pipeline. Some attorneys are masters at
playing to the public simply for future business.
ala jose Baez. He was considered a 'nobody'
here in Orlando, Fl. before CA trial. And he got
poor marks for his performance during the trial
by other attorneys of note. But man, he played to the public here and nationally. So he got
many new $$ cases very shortly thereafter.
So this PR can come back many times over for the atty's future pipeline of clients.
"Legal professionals who are constantly in the news are certainly more visible but more important, they are appropriately perceived as highly credible thought leaders in their specialties and thus more valuable to existing clients and prospective ones.”

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I need to watch that again as I thought he was professing his love for her publicly as she watched adoringly from the Avon hotel!

You are right. I just found the word interesting because, to me, it’s more like infatuation than saying “I love her”, or “I loved her” since he used the past tense. It rang of a fleeting but intense kind of condition to me and was just my own interpretation. In fact, it is: the dictionaries I consulted equate it with love although a more flowery phrase. I still feel it is an odd phrase but that’s just my take! Sorry to distract! MOO

 

[kimch33kim]

Are sure there are only 2 doors? I can't tell from looking at the photos. I have been saying I thought she would be in the bed of the truck and 2 doors makes that more likely. Also, the bed easier to clean up than upholstery. It would have been ludicrous on his part to put her in the front seat but then again....so many mistakes. Also, nowhere have I read where it is specified that the seats changed out were front or back seats. I tend to think it was front seats as the back would usually be a bench seat if the Tacoma is in fact only 2 doors.
Photo 2001 Toyota Double Cab back seats 4 door model:

2001 Toyota 2 door model:

2014 Porsche Cayenne back seats. IDK if that was the year of the Porsche in this case.

Can others see definitively if truck was 2 doors or 4? I also wonder if somebody else WAS spotting in the truck and FD got in on the passenger side. I remember NP saying LE was trying to develop an accomplice. How can LE get an accomplice if there has been no crime nor a main suspect/ringleader already identified? Also, is there still a possibility MT could have been on Lapham or is that ruled out?

PG truck is only two door you can check it with the vin . it doesn't seem like anyone is sitting on the passenger seat.

 

[enelram]

Are sure there are only 2 doors? I can't tell from looking at the photos. I have been saying I thought she would be in the bed of the truck and 2 doors makes that more likely. Also, the bed easier to clean up than upholstery. It would have been ludicrous on his part to put her in the front seat but then again....so many mistakes. Also, nowhere have I read where it is specified that the seats changed out were front or back seats. I tend to think it was front seats as the back would usually be a bench seat if the Tacoma is in fact only 2 doors.
Photo 2001 Toyota Double Cab back seats 4 door model:

2001 Toyota 2 door model:

2014 Porsche Cayenne back seats. IDK if that was the year of the Porsche in this case.

Can others see definitively if truck was 2 doors or 4? I also wonder if somebody else WAS spotting in the truck and FD got in on the passenger side. I remember NP saying LE was trying to develop an accomplice. How can LE get an accomplice if there has been no crime nor a main suspect/ringleader already identified? Also, is there still a possibility MT could have been on Lapham or is that ruled out?

great questions- LE hasn't said much about MT
on morning of 24th.
If blood was on inside of door of Tacoma, only two ways it got there....body inside truck or
from someone's clothes.
I think this should be someone's one job here
to ferret out the info on the seats, where body
was carried, how many doors on truck and if
he had an accomplice in NC.
There's some very, very important information
if someone can answer your questions, IMO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

He put himself into that mess; he can wallow in it. It’s insane that he is still so focused on how hard this is for him.

And not a mention of how hard this is for the kids? I didn’t see it so maybe I missed that but I doubt he mentioned them. Never mind; I wouldn’t trust he meant it even if he said it. MOO.

 

[enelram]

Are sure there are only 2 doors? I can't tell from looking at the photos. I have been saying I thought she would be in the bed of the truck and 2 doors makes that more likely. Also, the bed easier to clean up than upholstery. It would have been ludicrous on his part to put her in the front seat but then again....so many mistakes. Also, nowhere have I read where it is specified that the seats changed out were front or back seats. I tend to think it was front seats as the back would usually be a bench seat if the Tacoma is in fact only 2 doors.
Photo 2001 Toyota Double Cab back seats 4 door model:

2001 Toyota 2 door model:

2014 Porsche Cayenne back seats. IDK if that was the year of the Porsche in this case.

Can others see definitively if truck was 2 doors or 4? I also wonder if somebody else WAS spotting in the truck and FD got in on the passenger side. I remember NP saying LE was trying to develop an accomplice. How can LE get an accomplice if there has been no crime nor a main suspect/ringleader already identified? Also, is there still a possibility MT could have been on Lapham or is that ruled out?

I tend to think you're right. I think LE knows
somehow that body was in back of truck.
So if blood was inside on front seats and <modsnip - namecalling>
knew it, he must have been a bloody mess clothing wise. So where'd he change? Waveny?
And he changed near the open door opposite
traffic view and brushed agaist the door.

 

[LittleBitty]

PG truck is only two door you can check it with the vin . it doesn't seem like anyone is sitting on the passenger seat.

I think that it has a back seat/seats though. From the pictures on the AW and just googling the different 2001 models. It can be a two door but have a back seat. It looks like the cab is definitely longer than just a front seater from the AW pictures and that the bed is full of equipment (from pics on the day in question).

Just my two cents!

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.tow...-11e9-991d-536198256533/5d704b7b09ca8.pdf.pdf

 

[Jmoose]

Can't read the HC so can you please tell us the
source attributed to the knife information?
Who, exactly, said it's the murder weapon?
Where is D. Altimari getting this information?
Does he say?
thanks-

The article claims that “investigators” think it’s the murder weapon. He (D.Altimari) did not say specifically who he got the info from. But as far as I am concerned, esp. considering some of their other reporting, the HC is jumping the gun (or knife)-Nobody who is official at any police agency has publicly said so. It could be true, but it looks like it is not officially verified by any trust-worthy source. I think the source is “Fudge” saying they think it’s the murder weapon, rather than someone reliable saying it.