Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #24

[Southernsnooper]

These are AMAZING images, but I hope someone doesn't get in trouble for violating the gag order.

Photos from Dailymail...

You can see at this time his head was balding, jeans and boots...

Moo

 

[MassGuy]

A 2001 Tacoma no less. With Ford seats in it. It makes no sense when he claims to be broke and spends $250 on s heavy duty detail of someone else’s vehicle.

Ha! That detailing price probably comes close to rivaling the vehicle’s total value.

 

[10ofRods]

On a different topic:

How easy would it be for one man to get a barrel with a body in it, into the back of a truck? Seems super unwieldy. We always had a bunch of those barrels around (dad worked in the oil fields) but he used a lighter weight barrel even for grass. He rolled those things, he didn't lift them, and my dad was very strong. Of course, it was usually water that was inside (200 pounds, maybe? he never tried when it was full, it was for collecting rain water from the rain gutters).

 

[Southernsnooper]

Balding head photo by newcanaanite...

Moo

 

[MassGuy]

On a different topic:

How easy would it be for one man to get a barrel with a body in it, into the back of a truck? Seems super unwieldy. We always had a bunch of those barrels around (dad worked in the oil fields) but he used a lighter weight barrel even for grass. He rolled those things, he didn't lift them, and my dad was very strong. Of course, it was usually water that was inside (200 pounds, maybe? he never tried when it was full, it was for collecting rain water from the rain gutters).

Drew Peterson needed help. That would be awkward as hell to do by himself.

He’s fit though, and Jennifer was only 120 pounds.

It could be done though. He could lift it up, and use one of his knees to help.

ETA: The more I think about this, I actually think it would be quite easy.

 

[sun16]

According to AW2 (video surveillance) and MTs statements to LE the detailing occurred in the 29th of May and FD filled out the form in the lobby with no first and last name, MTs phone number and called the Tacoma a Sienna. FD Drive Tacoma and threw two items away at the wash. MT followed in the Yukon. It was in the afternoon that truck was paid for after going through ATM at People’s Bank United at 2:38 pm.

5/29?! Oh, I didn’t recall that, thanks. I would have thought he would have cleaned up the truck the day of the murder, but ... hmm.

 

[Alkali13]

I’m going to send you the stuff I can’t post instead of biting my lip

Can't post?

 

[Bulldogs2]

Drew Peterson needed help. That would be awkward as hell to do by himself.

He’s fit though, and Jennifer was only 120 pounds.

It could be done though. He could lift it up, and use one of his knees to help.

ETA: The more I think about this, I actually think it would be quite easy.

Agreed. I think he was alone and MT was waiting up in Farmington. I admittedly thought perhaps she didn't know what was going in at first but the more we see the more I think she was right smack in it.

 

[Jmoose]

It seems to me that putting her in a 55 gallon drum would really limit where he could put her and how he would get her there. He would have to transport her in the barrel in the back of a pick up truck and then whatever body of water he chose would have to be accessible by that truck.
And, if all that took place, the barrel would be rolled into the water and would remain near the shore which wouldn't be good.

Which makes me ask, are there any bridges that are lightly traveled in the area, that he could stop and throw her over regardless of what he had put her in? Whether it was a barrel, bag, tarp or rolling suitcase?

Well, it’s true, you absolutely wouldn’t want her to be near the shore; that isn’t hiding her. Honestly, where I am at right now, I don’t think this latest search will amount to anything; I still don’t think MT has given up the most desired information-the whereabouts of Jennifer (if she knows). I think it’s possible that LE got a bad tip. Still, I am hoping that they do find her, and soon.

 

[afitzy]

OC, again great inside info. I'm curious when
you mention strategy and being a tactician.
Are these things you were taught in law school
or just figured out in on the job training and
innate skills and smarts?
I'm always wondering where these guys learn
this or don't.
TIA

Agree. Law School IMO in general provides most with technical expertise, research and writing skills and a framework for analysis.

Strategy and tactics training in defense work IMO is a whole different level of skills. Some people I think learn from seeing how others tried and won cases. Other folks work with masters and learn by osmosis. Some learn through trial and error.

Lots of different paths to get really good but when you see a true master of defense world its a sight to behold IMO. The other thing that is so hard to quantify is the people part of the defense job. Its not enough to have solid tactics and strategy if you can't work the people, process and the system. The rumors of Pattis again butting heads with Colangelo (as they did long ago on a case and where Colangelo cleaned Pattis' clock BTW) is disturbing as it won't help his client most likely and could impact the way the case plays out.

Its hard to generalize but I do think that discipline both in thought and actions generally serves defenders well. Sadly I don't think we have seen much of either of these things from Pattisland.

To @oceancalling OP, which I loved BTW, with FO and Pattis its a bad matchup as there is simply 'no adult in the room' to keep the train on the track IMO.

Right now it seems like the Pattisville train ride with FD is running off the rails.

The Pattisville facial expressions, treatment of the Judge and demeanor inside and outside the courtroom in Norwalk to me were not only unprofessional but they were unproductive. Guy was clearly having a bad day for whatever reason but he simply wanted to drag the entire world down with him IMO. This is counterproductive and unprofessional IMO but we have seen it on an ongoing basis as it seems like Pattis has zero self control.

If I were his client (wouldn't happen BTW!) I would be afraid to see that lack of focus and discipline as most of the time he looks like a flailing drowning person. Perhaps Pattis simply has too much on his plate and not enough support staff? IDK.

In many respects Pattis seems to be a one trick pony in his dialog about helping the downtrodden, hated or misunderstood get justice. IMO, if there was any substance behind these statements he would keep his eye on the ball and focus on what is impt. Pattis IMO is kind of like a child that desparately needs their ADD medication but refuses to take it consistently and so is always running the risk of self destruction.

FD has a tough decision to make IMO as to whether to stick with Pattis after everything that has been seen play out over the past few months. For my money if I were about to be sitting with murder charges (as I expect will happen to FD in the near future), I would think long and hard about putting myself in the hands of Pattisville.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I cannot recall seeing anything like we have seen play out in this case in recent times. The system needs for FD to have solid representation in order to function and I'm actually quite concerned that he might not have it!

MOO MOO MOO MOO MOO

 

[Bulldogs2]

That’s him, his ears identify him. I’m not trying to be salty but they are a feature that’s unquestionable. MOO

I'm wondering what the employees at the car wash told police? I bet a mouthful.

 

[afitzy]

If they find her body, do they basically have FD nailed?
(Not trying to ask a stupid question, just wondering if they'd have to do a bunch of forensics to link the two/how it works...)

My guess is that if anything is found the forensics will take a long time to provide any answers. First they have to find something and then we anxiously wait! MOO

 

[enelram]

On a different topic:

How easy would it be for one man to get a barrel with a body in it, into the back of a truck? Seems super unwieldy. We always had a bunch of those barrels around (dad worked in the oil fields) but he used a lighter weight barrel even for grass. He rolled those things, he didn't lift them, and my dad was very strong. Of course, it was usually water that was inside (200 pounds, maybe? he never tried when it was full, it was for collecting rain water from the rain gutters).

not too hard, IMO. I've figured out to wield
120 lb. bales of hay into and out of a pickup bed by using leverage or rolling end to end.
Also I watched my son leverage a whole '93
Buick into the back of his pickup- it was missing a couple wheels and I needed to get it to a junkyard. think it was
either 1400 or 1800 lbs. Yes he's strong but my point is a 100 lb. person in a barrel is not that hard.

 

[CTGrammy]

If they call in an ear specialist
He’s toast
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Anyone notice the look that FO gave to the States Attorney Colangelo in the screen shot below?

FO had tried a couple of times to look Colangelo in the eye and I do not see where Colangelo reciprocated.

IMO.

 

[afitzy]

Regarding her medical bill/paperwork, he can't use it as evidence if he doesn't show the actual bill, can he? Then he would need to explain where he got it; I don't see how a jury can use that info without the actual document.

Edit: Happy birthday, @enelram!

Edit 2: Bolded topics for easier reading

Happy BDAY @enelram!

On the paperwork for the medical bills. Like the psych report I have to admit to being curious exactly how it came to be in the hands of FD.

Has No Case Norm shown a copy of the bill to the world or explained where it came from and to whom it was addessed?

Of course NOT!

To me this just seems like the stolen Family Court psych report all over again.

What I am very curious about is was perhaps this "medical bill" something that FD perhaps picked up at Welles either on the 22nd or better yet on the 24th?

Has the State requested a search warrant to take and examine the "medical bill" or has No Case Norm submitted the bill to the court as part of his motion for additional information about the invoice?

What is the address used on the bill?
Who is the bill addressed to?
Was FD tampering with mail that didn't belong to him because it wasn't addressed to him? Why is the State not investigating this as we are talking about private medical records of a missing/deceased person who is not here to act on her own behalf?
How did the bill come to be in the hands of FD?

IMO this entire situation is yet another wild goose chase by Pattisville but I do hope the State checks out whether FD was authorized to open this letter. If this letter is at all tainted then please charge FD and Pattis for mail tampering or whatever charges might be appropriate.

MOO

 

[merrymary]

Anyone notice the look that FO gave to the States Attorney Colangelo in the screen shot below?

FO had tried a couple of times to look Colangelo in the eye and I do not see where Colangelo reciprocated.

IMO.

Just saw the video for the first time. After listening to the Judge, I now see why the 3 musketeers don't look so happy.

 

[CuriousCat9]

I just watched it again and then again. It actually made me feel a bit queasy watching the video twice and writing about this entire topic is difficult as its a minefield.

But I thought about trying to understand on a very basic level what made me feel so uncomfortable about listening to the video, so here goes.

I have such mixed thoughts on why the State felt compelled to make this particular statement at this exact moment? And why now after months of silence from the State on the JD Case? Why not make a statement about the victim or even speak about the investigation? But no, that isn't what the State believed to be most important when it came to speak with the public after 2 months of virtual silence. Nope. The State felt it was important to speak to the public about 'disrespect' and 'pinning this crime on a person of color' as it relates to the JD case.

What purpose does the Foley statement serve? Is the statement about "disrespect" based on evidence found in the case or was the purpose of the statement to cynically prejudice potential jurors by fanning the flames of racism?

Race baiting in the Cambridge Dictionary is defined as, "the act of intentionally encouraging racism or anger about issue/s relating to race, often to get a political advantage". I hope this statement from Foley was not gratuitous race baiting and has some basis in fact using evidence found in the case investigation. But its honestly hard not to think otherwise. Really hope this is not race baiting, as Hartford and the State of CT don't need this ever IMO and certainly not now on this case.

I would like to give Foley the benefit of the doubt here but on the surface it appears that he tied a few facts together (why that neighborhood, no known ties, all minority neighborhood - all true, but are they connected or related to each other and how are they relevant to FD/MT? IDK but I hope Foley knows in great detail!) that we don't know if they are at all related to what FD and MT might have been thinking about, and drawn the conclusion that the disposal of evidence in Hartford was 'disrespectful'.

Foley is standing behind his statement 100% so we will have to see whether this trip down Albany by FD and MT was driven by factors that are truly 'disrespectful' and that this crime by FD and MT "was designed to pin it on a person of color"?

I just wish that this Foley comment and any associated evidence to support it had been presented in a court of law where I believe it appropriately belongs rather than at a press conference with zero context and the old school 'trust me I'm LE' bravado which IMO is patronizing to any thoughtful person listening that cares about all people.

I have no idea if anything being said by Foley in his statement was true as he gave a conclusion without supporting facts IMO. I just hope as a public spokesperson that he has facts to back up his statement relating to 'disrespect' and 'pinning this crime on a person of color' that these facts will be put forward in court at some point.

I would hope that LE was responsible in their statement about the event and that before calling it "disrespectful" that they had evidence from FD and/or MT to support that statement. Otherwise it seems to be fanning the flames of racial hatred and anger unnecessarily as the statements from Foley might simply not be based on fact.

IDK what to think but it made me personally very uncomfortable that Foley was asking me as somebody listening to him to trust him on this as he gave me no reason to as he provided zero in the way of information or context to make me at all comfortable trusting him.

This has been a strange WS case IMO as LE commentary has been minimal and I think we have only heard from the State Police 1 or 2 times through this entire case so far. Many on WS questioned why the trip down Albany happened and why might FD and MT picked Albany Avenue as a location to dispense with evidence in the JD case. Could the choice have been related to the racial makeup and been planned cynically by FD? Sure, many on WS believe this to be the case and its a personal opinion. I guess I hope the State Spokesperson to a higher standard than just his opinion and I hope his statements have alot of evidence to support them.

We have had none of the typical press conferences etc. that we routinely see in similar cases. So, we have no relationship with Foley (or even NCPD Chief K. for that matter) as we don't know him and he hasn't been with us all as we make our way through the public information on the case because Justice for Jennifer is important to us in some way. We really have had no relationship with any member of the State's Team even though we saw them working very hard under very difficult conditions to do their jobs.

Yet we now see a State Police Spokesperson asking us to believe with no stated proof, that the trip down Albany was "disrespectful" and "designed to pin this crime on a person of color".

Maybe Foley is correct but I will wait for the evidence to be presented in court to support his statements before believing that the trip down Albany Ave was racially motivated.

MOO

I’m jumping a few pages ahead to reply to this so ignore if it’s already been hashed about.

When I heard Foley talk about the racial makeup of the Albany Ave. area community I thought he was trying to maybe make residents angry so they’d be more likely to come forward with information. Some of them may be on LE radar for drug related crimes, etc., such as whoever is associated with Fudge re the knife. MOO

Whenever I read or hear anything coming from LE or even the prosecutor, I’m wondering if they are trying to elicit a response from someone.

It may be that he’s made racist remarks and it may come up at trial if so. I’m just guessing about all of this so...

ETA: Looks like this has already been discussed. Going to catch up before posting In the future.

 

[Megnut]

No doubt FD would have washed the truck, swapped the seats, crashed the truck if he had to, that very first day, except the guy wanted his truck back. They tried to stall him, the gf taking the key . FD had to be sweating that moment.... dare to risk raising suspicion by not handing the truck over, but knowing what he knew was in the truck or let the truck go and hope to concoct another nonchalant reason to have the truck so he could sterilize it. MOO. It's time for the gf to turn. The fairytale isn't very fairy-taley anymore.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

On a different topic:

How easy would it be for one man to get a barrel with a body in it, into the back of a truck? Seems super unwieldy. We always had a bunch of those barrels around (dad worked in the oil fields) but he used a lighter weight barrel even for grass. He rolled those things, he didn't lift them, and my dad was very strong. Of course, it was usually water that was inside (200 pounds, maybe? he never tried when it was full, it was for collecting rain water from the rain gutters).

I think it's doable. I've seen people roll 55 gallon barrels weighing a few hundred pounds up a ramp onto the back of their pickup truck alone, they just have to have a long enough ramp to reduce the slope, and a rolling start and some muscle. If JD weighed 120 pounds, and her body was able to be fit into a smaller barrel (30 gallon), it would have been even easier, IMO. Most often, however, I've seen people use a forklift or mini-forklift to lift barrels and move them around when they're full. MOO.

 

[hivee]

Anyone notice the look that FO gave to the States Attorney Colangelo in the screen shot below?

FO had tried a couple of times to look Colangelo in the eye and I do not see where Colangelo reciprocated.

IMO.

omg wow
Trying to intimidate him?