Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #25

[Jmoose]

sorry if I am asking another already known Q, but has EE ever said what reason FD gave for borrowing the red truck?

I don’t think FD “borrowed” the red truck-it was more like “here, take my much larger Raptor to do what you need to do down in NC-much more heavy duty”, and then the red truck was supposed to stay put up in Farmington

 

[sds71]

215.00 09/16/2019 D OBJECTION TO MOTION

Re Forensic Inspection
http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=17740868

 

[Midwestmom2019]

There was a plant in Germany called Stinging Nettle that caused the same symptoms as PI. Maybe that is what is in your yard.

Thank you so much. First thing I’ll check.
And to think WS may have solved The Mystery in the Mulch. FANTASTIC. Thank you.
Just checked Wikipedia. Spot on. And to keep it within the thread, it can be used as food, 25% protein. Greeks use it in Hortopita (much like spanakopita, in place of spinach.)

 

[afitzy]

I can’t read 150 plus posts. I’m jumping ahead. If asked already, just shoot.
Us there a time line for MT?
Has the rental been pulled and forensically checked forensically?

@Midwestmom2019, I put together a skeleton TL for MT but pointless IMO w/o more info as there are too few datapoint. The AWs (other than Albany Ave trip and Red Truck cleaning incident) IMO are leaving info about MT scarce.

 

[afitzy]

You know, something just does not add up here at all. The town has the money as it is not a poor town, 2500 of the town’s residents signed their desire for these cameras, a major crime has occurred and cameras must have been so helpful, and the powers that be are ignoring this? Just from my eight years on a school board, I know that when officials are stonewalling on something in this way under this kind of pressure, there’s often a bigger reason being hidden. If ever you see a town coming out to protest a coach or teacher being let go and the school board is getting all kinds of heat and big crowds of angry citizens are there but the board is not backing down, you can be pretty sure that there’s big trouble behind the dismissal. In public schools, where I live at least, the board can’t discuss personnel issues like that in public and the person the whole crisis is over can stand there and say he or she has no idea what’s going on even if the person absolutely does and the board can say nothing. Follow the money? Follow the possible reasons for it not getting done? Something just seems very odd here. MOO.

@hopepforthebest, In general I agree with your statement completely but this issue of surveillance via cameras has been a longstanding one in NC IMO. IMO this is just NC being NC. NC has had folks like Moynihan as First Selectman for many years and if the Town had a Police Chief that had strong views or an independent will that person IMO would not last 2 minutes with the Police Commission/Selectman IMO. Status Quo is something IMO that the Town of NC does well and many people fight hard and at times 'dirty' and 'behind closed doors' to maintain the Status Quo. IMO this is what we are sadly seeing play out here.

The Town has a vested interest in maintaining the view that "we live in a safe town" and 'there is no emergency". Its a place where people leave their keys in their cars (many get stolen) and children walk around freely downtown and walk to school and area parks all the time. Meanwhile people continue to invest in expensive home security systems and increasingly are putting up gates to improve security.

The NCPD Chief simply tells residents to lock their doors and cars and arm their alarms. IMO this is NOT a viable security plan for a Town in this day and age but its what the Town Selectman want and its what they will go to the mat fighting to maintain. Other area towns, such as Greenwich and Darien, do not share the views of NC Town officials on cameras. I'm glad to see Mike Dinan cover the issue in his paper as he has seen this play out over a long period of time and so well knows the history and process this 'discussion' takes every time it is raised. I'm surprised there isn't more outrage by local voters and certainly from the folks that signed the petition. Perhaps we will see some change with the upcoming election in Town, but having watched this play out for many years, I sadly doubt anything will change. There is always a new "Moynihan" in NC!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

I downloaded and read the entire second arrest warrant as I am fairly new to this case. In some cases here, there is a person who keeps up and adds to a timeline when more information happens. Do we have one for this case that someone could bump? T i a

Yes, check the media thread for this case as there are some wonderful timelines there for reference.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

@Midwestmom2019, I put together a skeleton TL for MT but pointless IMO w/o more info as there are too few datapoint. The AWs (other than Albany Ave trip and Red Truck cleaning incident) IMO are leaving info about MT scarce.

I have a question. How does a lawyer defend a client if she will not cooperate with LE? She has already admitting to lying and withholding information. I mean, how does he help her?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

@hopepforthebest, In general I agree with your statement completely but this issue of surveillance via cameras has been a longstanding one in NC IMO. IMO this is just NC being NC. NC has had folks like Moynihan as First Selectman for many years and if the Town had a Police Chief that had strong views or an independent will that person IMO would not last 2 minutes with the Police Commission/Selectman IMO. Status Quo is something IMO that the Town of NC does well and many people fight hard and at times 'dirty' and 'behind closed doors' to maintain the Status Quo. IMO this is what we are sadly seeing play out here.

The Town has a vested interest in maintaining the view that "we live in a safe town" and 'there is no emergency". Its a place where people leave their keys in their cars (many get stolen) and children walk around freely downtown and walk to school and area parks all the time. Meanwhile people continue to invest in expensive home security systems and increasingly are putting up gates to improve security.

The NCPD Chief simply tells residents to lock their doors and cars and arm their alarms. IMO this is NOT a viable security plan for a Town in this day and age but its what the Town Selectman want and its what they will go to the mat fighting to maintain. Other area towns, such as Greenwich and Darien, do not share the views of NC Town officials on cameras. I'm glad to see Mike Dinan cover the issue in his paper as he has seen this play out over a long period of time and so well knows the history and process this 'discussion' takes every time it is raised. I'm surprised there isn't more outrage by local voters and certainly from the folks that signed the petition. Perhaps we will see some change with the upcoming election in Town, but having watched this play out for many years, I sadly doubt anything will change. There is always a new "Moynihan" in NC!

MOO

In other words, it’s all about the image. IMO.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Hmm.
Sepsis. 30-80% mortality rate. Dx by Dr. MWM.
Oh well. He dropped the medical coverage.

Oh how I wish he got it under his new ankle bracelet.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I embarrassed myself.

Sometimes we just can’t help it. It gets written and posted before we know it.

But as an aside, only those in our age group know where this was first used. Lol. Maturity has its benefits.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thanks for posting this. I've imposed a personal TO on discussing this topic of cameras in Waveny and CT because I am so profoundly disappointed in the NC First Selectman, NC Police Commission and NCPD Chief K. on the way that this entire issue of public safety and cameras has been handled in NC over the course of many years. This latest petition for cameras in Waveny is just one of similar efforts mounted over the years and sadly all have failed.

As I've posted previously NC has resisted cameras successfully via folks like Moynihan for years. There is always a Moynihan and I've been watching these Moynihans for many many years! Nothing changes on this topic ever!

IMO the burden of personal safety has been pushed on to homeowers who for the most part invest in home systems of varying sophistication. My sense of listening to folks like Moynihan and his predecessors along with the Police Commission for many years has been that this issue will simply be kicked down the trail and never be heard from again. NCPD Chief K. believes his only role in this personal security debate is to remind residents to 'lock their doors' and 'turn on their alarms'. Sorry, but I believe that government has a role and responsibility in maintaining the security of the town.

From the public dialog on this entire discussion it was clear to me a least that the First Selectman is not in a position to direct the NCPD to do anything as he originally put this task of cameras in Waveny into the NCPD hands. Nothing happened and it appeared that the Police Commission (3 people so far as I know) directed NCPD Chief K. to simply do nothing and let the Parks and Rec People do something (or attempt to do something) that was clearly not in their purview and about which they had zero expertise. NCPD Chief K. did what he usually does on these discussions which is "dodge and weave" and "hide under his desk". This all happend after the issue was discussed by the people that created the petition in a forum with the Selectman. Who runs NC? To me, the answer is at present unclear. Do the voices of citizens matter or will a Moynihan always be present to shut down change? IDK.

I'm glad this camera issue is playing out in a public way and that Mike Dinan has written a very comprehensive article about the topic. The other reason I am glad that a much broader audience is seeing this entire situation play out is because it IMO brilliantly shows how things do and don't happen in NC. To see the NCPD Chief K. hiding under his desk for the entirety of this debate about cameras has been hard to watch, but its sadly typical for the way things go on this topic in CT. I won't even go into listing the projects that have been green lighted in the most recent budget as if people could see the list vs thinking about the valuable data provided by cameras in town and in the parks it becomes crystal clear where the priorities of the Town Govt. lie. NC by any standard is a wealthy town so for Moynihan to talk about budgets and 'extraordinary expenses' simply IMO simply pushes credulity.

IMO JD and the Farber family were simply lucky that buscams were in place and that the alleged crime took place when the buses were on the roads. We don't know if JD had a full camera system at Welles and if she did was it activated on the 24th/missing date. A townwide security plan IMO built on 'luck' of having buscams doesn't sound too safe or proactive to me and I'm surprised that the 2,500 signatures that were on the petition didn't seem to mean much to the First Selectman, NCPD Chief K and the Police Commission.

Its all IMO hugely disappointing, but IMO its also just business as usual in NC. I'm just glad that outsiders are seeing how a wealthy town that has one of the largest budgets per capita chooses to allocate its tax dollars.

PS. This will be my last post on this topic as I am so profoundly disappointed in a town that I care about a great deal but I realize that nothing will ever change so long as people like Moynihan believe there is 'no emergency' and the First Selectman is powerless to control the various components of government in the Town.

MOO

Makes me think of the Lueck case. Found Deceased - UT - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #19 *ARREST*

She went to a public park where there were signs that they were under video surveillance. And then after she was abducted and later killed, they had to admit to the public that those signs were fake. It was just a deterrent and they were not even hooked up and they knew it.

That to me is even worse for a city to knowingly do, but after talking with somebody who is a city planner in another major metropolitan area, he said that more than MANY are fake! I think that's just awful. People believing that they are being surveilled and it is more safe are being misled.

 

[citygirl]

Yes, check the media thread for this case as there are some wonderful timelines there for reference.

Someone brought up revisiting 585 Deercliff Rd as possibly being the place he could have hidden evidence or a place he may have taken JD's body.
I knew I had seen pics of the rundown house and couldn't find them, thus searched through the media thread and found them!
Don't know how to repost them on this thread though.
Two posts from Oviedo with great pics.
Media thread,page 22, posts #427 and 428
These pics were taken since Jennifer went missing.

 

[bubby girl]

215.00 09/16/2019 D OBJECTION TO MOTION

Re Forensic Inspection
http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=17740868

They better not get away with this..

 

[Southernsnooper]

Hello - I shall be leaving on a Holiday to California!! And won't be around WS for at least 2 weeks (9/18 thru 10/2). So am going to post the hearing/trial that is coming up this week while I am gone. Please keep 'good' notes while I'm gone! LOL! I will definitely be way behind on all my cases I'm following.... but will try & peek in mid-way thru my vacation.

Friday, Sept. 20th:
*Pretrial & Arraignment Hearing (new charges) (@ 10am ET) – CT – Jennifer Farber Dulos (50) (May 24, 2019, New Canaan) – Only for *Michelle Tronconis (44) (Dulos’ GF) arrested & charged (6/1/19) & arraigned (6/3/19) with tampering with or fabricating physical evidence & hindering prosecution. Plead not guilty. $500K bond. Posted bond (6/3/19). Bond conditions on any bond release. Must be posted at courthouse, passport must be surrendered & must submit to GPS monitoring.
*Charged (9/5/19) with tampering with evidence involving the borrowed car from work colleague. $100K bond. Posted bond (9/5/19).
Court info from 6/3/19 to 6/28/19 reference post #151 here:
Silver Alert - CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #12 *ARRESTS*
6/28/19: Next motions hearing 7/18. 7/18/19: State says the day after Troconis went to New York, she was back in CT without telling the state. Defendant says that was because her GPS monitoring device needed to be looked at and there will be no further issues with it. She will be staying in CT. White also agreed to another request in the motion that Dulos be barred from contacting Troconis in any way, including through a third-party. The request by Bowman followed a motion by Dulos’ attorney, Norm Pattis, requesting that the pair be allowed to see one another. Continued to Aug. 19.
8/19/19 Update: Judge continues hearing to 9/20.
9/5/19 Update: On Thursday (9/5/19), Troconis turned herself in at the state police barracks in Bridgeport. Troconis was also charged with tampering with evidence and released after posting $100K bond. Arraignment for new charges on 9/20.
*Fotis Dulos (51) – Next Motions hearing on 10/4.

Thank you and have a great trip!!!

 

[oceancalling]

They better not get away with this..

"The defendants have provided substantial information, all of which is based on fraud and lies..." is what this pleading should read. It is interesting that, even now, Dulos is acting like Fore is some huge Fortune 500 with lots and lots of employees, documents, business ,etc. In fact, he was no actual general contractor, he was just playing at being one.

Even in the best of days, this was a penny ante one man show. It wouldn't take a good forensic accountant much time to figure out what Dulos was up to. Companies are routinely required to provide this type of discovery in civil litigation when it is claimed funds were being siphoned off improperly. I am sure LE has already obtained this information anyway, so Dulos is not going to be able to keep it hidden from scrutiny. This is one more in a long line of pleadings designed to delay the inevitable.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It says a lot to me that he has such a bad case on his hands and wrists, tells me he may have been digging or dragging something through the poison ivy which was collecting the oils on its surface and then transferred to his hands when he touched it.

*makes call to Arpad Vass to be on standby, and other colleagues that are well known forensic biologists*

 

[nina318]

215.00 09/16/2019 D OBJECTION TO MOTION

Re Forensic Inspection
http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=17740868

Thanks for posting! They said he has done nothing "inappropriate" with his business expenses? His entire financial accounting system appears "inappropriate", IMO. Along with other fancy financial tricks, he admitted he "reimbursed" himself in advance for business expenses. I find this "inappropriate". I hope GF's motion is not denied. MOO!

 

[SkylarSid]

"The defendants have provided substantial information, all of which is based on fraud and lies..." is what this pleading should read. It is interesting that, even now, Dulos is acting like Fore is some huge Fortune 500 with lots and lots of employees, documents, business ,etc. In fact, he was no actual general contractor, he was just playing at being one.

Even in the best of days, this was a penny ante one man show. It wouldn't take a good forensic accountant much time to figure out what Dulos was up to. Companies are routinely required to provide this type of discovery in civil litigation when it is claimed funds were being siphoned off improperly. I am sure LE has already obtained this information anyway, so Dulos is not going to be able to keep it hidden from scrutiny. This is one more in a long line of pleadings designed to delay the inevitable.

The objection states there was no promissory note for the loan to FD??? Wasn’t the loan agreement between HF and FD posted some time ago?

 

[nina318]

The objection states there was no promissory note for the loan to FD??? Wasn’t the loan agreement between HF and FD posted some time ago?

FD also claimed HF's loan as a liability on his tax returns, until he found a shady accountant to transfer it into equity. MOO!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

With MT rolling-over, it'll come out as to whether FD arrived back for lunch with small bags, or big bags. If just small bags, IMO he likely took a side trip between Fairfield and Farmington.

Speaking of the bags, what significance is there in MT admitting to being the one to have purchased them in AW2?