Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #25

[Jmoose]

Maybe she is holding worry beads which are popular in Greek and Turkish culture?

What is it with the three women involved with FD (JD, MT and first wife) all becoming Greek-ified? Don’t any of them have their own important cultures and families? First wife married him in Greece-FD probably sold that to her as a Destination Wedding, but the truth likely is that he would only have married her there, but nowhere else. We saw what happened with JD-kids could only have Greek names and Greek holidays-and now MT and the possibility that she wears a wedding ring on her right hand, in the Greek fashion, as well as possibly sporting a Greek pendant and worry beads. What is it with this guy? He can’t let his women be what they are? And are they ever malleable, it seems!

 

[Megnut]

In all of her blogging, did Jennifer ever share anything about IVF? 5 children after about 40 ... two sets of twins-- MOO -- pure speculation on my part but is it possible there were frozen embryos in storage, that she would feel the need to protect? He already defiled their marital bed. Seems like this would come out in their divorce documents but we know there were custody disputes. We know she was doctoring....

I pray that her last images that morning were the beloved faces of her children.... and not his face. Oh, the horror.


MOO MOO MOO

 

[aaron44]

Yes, I believe that 12 am is incorrect...FD went to NY in the afternoon on the 25th. So my guess is between 12pm and 1 pmish as I don't think it was picked up by the NYP until that evening and then other papers picked it up the following day if I recall.

Yes, I agree that it 12am is incorrect. But wouldn't if have to be later in the afternoon on the 25th as didn't he show up at the NCPD at 2:47pm that day with his Attorney after being called earlier that morning at 9:00am. MOO

 

[oceancalling]

Yes but it doesn't look like she's telling everything. Or telling the total truth.

I do believe there's a lot going on behind the scenes. There always is. However, you don't charge a co-defendant with additional charges when you're in the middle of negotiations unless they aren't going anywhere. And if they're not going anywhere, they've broken down.

I know that from first hand experience when it comes to things like family law contempt or sanctions actions.

I don't file anything when we are in the middle of working things out. And nor does opposing counsel. It defeats the purpose.

An example is I've been negotiating recently for a client who faced contempt for failure to pay support. They filed one and we got them to take it off calendar or it would be dismissed due to a technicality (no time waiver and t was continued without our consent).

So after that we have been negotiating in order to forestall another contempt and to modify support which is vastly higher than my client can pay. We made an offer for back pay and ongoing support. They came back with a grand more in on going support. Which is way too high. We said no, too high. They immediately filed a new contempt action.

That doesn't happen when things are being worked out. Not in my world.

It operates differently in criminal cases simply because of how the system is designed. A family practitioner, does not have the power to file criminal charges, to negotiate criminal charges, to agree or oppose pretrial release and even to drop charges. No one is going to prison for life in a civil case.

A criminal prosecution is a completely different world, and one that doesn't often seem to make sense to most people. For better or worse, there is the view among most experienced prosecutors that live/eyewitness/accomplice witnesses are important in a criminal case. So-called circumstantial evidence is viewed as less than adequate, even when it seems more than sufficient to convict.

I have actually observed a co-defendant plead guilty during joint jury selection, become a state witness, lie to LE, get the deal jerked, get another (worse) deal and THEN truthfully testify against their co-defendant at trial. The co-defendant turned witness received probation, and the case was a first degree murder prosecution. It happens.

However LE gets there, IMO its first priority is solving this murder. I do not think MT is fooling anyone, and she isn't going to get a Get Out of Jail Free card, but I will repeat the old prosecutor adage, "If you want to convict the Devil, you've got to find your witnesses in He**."

 

[oceancalling]

If MT told LE that she knows where JD’s body is but wants immunity from prosecution for her involvement, do you think they’d do it? Since LE has evidence that FD murdered JD and has no other evidence of MT’s involvement other than the tampering charge, with JDks body they could charge him with 1st degree murder.

No. IMO she is not going to get a complete walk and that may be part of the hang up. She may not want to tell on herself herself without a negotiated plea in place and Coangelo may not be willing to make the kind of offer she wants. These negotiations require skill on the part of both the State and the defense.

 

[gitana1]

It operates differently in criminal cases simply because of how the system is designed. A family practitioner, does not have the power to file criminal charges, to negotiate criminal charges, to agree or oppose pretrial release and even to drop charges. No one is going to prison for life in a civil case.

A criminal prosecution is a completely different world, and one that doesn't often seem to make sense to most people. For better or worse, there is the view among most experienced prosecutors that live/eyewitness/accomplice witnesses are important in a criminal case. So-called circumstantial evidence is viewed as less than adequate, even when it seems more than sufficient to convict.

I have actually observed a co-defendant plead guilty during joint jury selection, become a state witness, lie to LE, get the deal jerked, get another (worse) deal and THEN truthfully testify against their co-defendant at trial. The co-defendant turned witness received probation, and the case was a first degree murder prosecution. It happens.

However LE gets there, IMO its first priority is solving this murder. I do not think MT is fooling anyone, and she isn't going to get a Get Out of Jail Free card, but I will repeat the old prosecutor adage, "If you want to convict the Devil, you've got to find your witnesses in He**."

It actually doesn't operate much differently. Negotiation is negotiation and there are certain things you do and don't do and certain significance to actions taken.

My law partner is a criminal defense attorney. I've seen how this works both in decades of following these cases and in my personal, professional life.

The "world" of criminal prosecution makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Tink56]

she always sees him during the Summer
idk but i hope she stays there.
i know she was there two weeks ago

Maybe MT's mother and daughter are in Florida where the daughter might have enrolled in school??

 

[citygirl]

I never watch Dr.Phil but today's show was great.

 

[oceancalling]

It actually doesn't operate much differently. Negotiation is negotiation and there are certain things you do and don't do and certain significance to actions taken.

My law partner is a criminal defense attorney. I've seen how this works both in decades of following these cases and in my personal, professional life.

The "world" of criminal prosecution makes perfect sense to me.

I have litigated criminal cases for 40 years, in a number of states, including capital cases in state and federal court. I have been on both sides of the table, and have participated in more debriefings than I can recount. My professional career also includes interviewing precisely the type of witness MT has shown herself to be. This is the way it works, at least in my professional experience.

Of course, we will know the answer to this question in due time.

 

[Alathea]

Exactly. If that were a gift from him (plausible, as it's jewelry, and it looks like the Greek cross) and she wore it, it's a sign to him.

Here's my theory: As far as FD knows, she's giving up info on him/blaming it all on him. Perhaps she considered that, and then reconsidered. So she gave LE a "tip," pretending to offer something to them that caused a search of the reservoir again recently - she figured it might take a while, but it came up empty, quickly, and LE said "you're just playing with us. We're done with this." Hence her sadface.

She wore the gift from FD (my supposition, not given fact) and signaled him with her hands at least 4 times - knowing photos were taken of her in court, and outside.

This was not a signal to her daughter - she can text/call/video chat with her daughter. She's NOT, however, supposed to contact FD - so, how does she do it? Via the media.

Why would she do this hand symbol that indicates "peace" or "two/together"? To show she's in it with him, she's not giving up info on him, they are "in it together". Or perhaps they had prearranged a symbol as FD had prearranged words (e.g. "hardware") and alibis.

I think she knows she's in it deep and perhaps so deep that she CANNOT give up more info.

Is this insignificant? I don't think so. I think it's major that she didn't even TRY to hide it.

Again - take a look at the photos - other observant people noticed other times she went out of her way to make this exact symbol with her hands during this hearing:

From the SA:
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(All moo.)

edit: fixed "him" -> "her"

Or: "Let's go to Plan 2."
You KNOW they had to discuss this beforehand.

 

[katydid23]

Dr. Phil (Season 18 Episode 9) | The Disappearance of Jennifer Dulos

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[Alathea]

I have litigated criminal cases for 40 years, in a number of states, including capital cases in state and federal court. I have been on both sides of the table, and have participated in more debriefings than I can recount. My professional career also includes interviewing precisely the type of witness MT has shown herself to be. This is the way it works, at least in my professional experience.

Of course, we will know the answer to this question in due time.

We are lucky to have the expertise of lawyers on here. Thanks very much to both of you, and to all the others on here with whom I'm not yet familiar.

(Lawyers do have hearts, lol! )

 

[gitana1]

I have litigated criminal cases for 40 years, in a number of states, including capital cases in state and federal court. I have been on both sides of the table, and have participated in more debriefings than I can recount. My professional career also includes interviewing precisely the type of witness MT has shown herself to be. This is the way it works, at least in my professional experience.

Of course, we will know the answer to this question in due time.

Why don't you get verified? That would be super helpful!

In the meantime, as I said, I'm fully aware of how it works. My law partner is a criminal defense attorney. What you're saying isn't logical to me.

You're saying that the new charges don't indicate that negotiations have broken down. Of course they have. I don't actually think you even need to be an attorney to figure that out.

You don't punish someone you're working with who is continuing to cooperate. That makes no sense.

This is a clear pressure tactic that signifies she has not cooperated to the degree they need nor struck a deal.

And if you've litigated for that long in this field then you well know that what they do with a defendant/witness like MT is discuss various hypotheticals and what will happen based on what the subject is willing to divulge and testify to.

She's not sitting in a room incriminating herself without a deal. They're not stacking charges if they're in the middle of working out a deal. That erodes trust.

It just doesn't make sense, with respect.

Clearly, what she's said she would give is not sufficient and/or any plea deal they thought they had had at this point eroded due to whatever she said through counsel or even possibly in an interview, not going anywhere.

All we need to do is compare this case to the Kelsey Berreth one. That's an example of how a plea deal with a co-conspirator works.

 

[MemPat]

A ponzi scheme requires detailed record keeping. Who gets paid when, how much needed to cover next go round.

Ponzi schemes come and go in much the same way some businesses succeed and some fail depending on the skill of the owner/operator.

The most visible was the hugely successful one by Bernie Madoff where there were skilled accountants keeping the (fake) books.

From what I've read the world is full of less skilled people using this and similar techniques to scam people trying to up their return on investment.

All Ponzi schemes are doomed to fail and one of the reasons a dummy like FD would go under faster is that he was too lazy to work at it and too cocky to believe he could fail.

I don't know if his was a Ponzi or not but it's making more sense to me all the time that he could have multiple investors in Greece thinking they're going to hit the jackpot in American real estate!

Until Jennifer's father died FD had all those millions to prop up the scam so maybe that's why he never felt the need to keep good records....more cash was always coming as her father wouldn't fail to make life good for his grandchildren.

Once that pipeline of cash was cut off and desperation set in, no wonder FD got furious enough to commit murder!

 

[merrymary]

Why don't you get verified? That would be super helpful!

In the meantime, as I said, I'm fully aware of how it works. My law partner is a criminal defense attorney. What you're saying isn't logical to me.

You're saying that the new charges don't indicate that negotiations have broken down. Of course they have. I don't actually think you even need to be an attorney to figure that out.

You don't punish someone you're working with who is continuing to cooperate. That makes no sense.

This is a clear pressure tactic that signifies she has not cooperated to the degree they need nor struck a deal.

And if you've litigated for that long in this field then you well know that what they do with a defendant/witness like MT is discuss various hypotheticals and what will happen based on what the subject is willing to divulge and testify to.

She's not sitting in a room incriminating herself without a deal. They're not stacking charges if they're in the middle of working out a deal. That erodes trust.

It just doesn't make sense, with respect.

Clearly, what she's said she would give is not sufficient and/or any plea deal they thought they had had at this point eroded due to whatever she said through counsel or even possibly in an interview, not going anywhere.

All we need to do is compare this case to the Kelsey Berreth one. That's an example of how a plea deal with a co-conspirator works.

Yeah, and maybe the reason MT looks so distraught is she now realizes that FD could go the same route as Frazee: Patrick Frazee planning to blame girlfriend for Kelsey Berreth's murder Patrick Frazee planning to blame girlfriend for Kelsey Berreth's murder

 

[oceancalling]

Why don't you get verified? That would be super helpful!

In the meantime, as I said, I'm fully aware of how it works. My law partner is a criminal defense attorney. What you're saying isn't logical to me.

You're saying that the new charges don't indicate that negotiations have broken down. Of course they have. I don't actually think you even need to be an attorney to figure that out.

You don't punish someone you're working with who is continuing to cooperate. That makes no sense.

This is a clear pressure tactic that signifies she has not cooperated to the degree they need nor struck a deal.

And if you've litigated for that long in this field then you well know that what they do with a defendant/witness like MT is discuss various hypotheticals and what will happen based on what the subject is willing to divulge and testify to.

She's not sitting in a room incriminating herself without a deal. They're not stacking charges if they're in the middle of working out a deal. That erodes trust.

It just doesn't make sense, with respect.

Clearly, what she's said she would give is not sufficient and/or any plea deal they thought they had had at this point eroded due to whatever she said through counsel or even possibly in an interview, not going anywhere.

All we need to do is compare this case to the Kelsey Berreth one. That's an example of how a plea deal with a co-conspirator works.

I don't get verified because I am hoping not to get too attached to this forum. I feel like I am neglecting other matters when I come here and I have sworn I will step away once Dulos is arrested. This case has brought out the crusader in me (and many, many others). I am sharing my experiences because it is my foolish notion that maybe our collective wisdom can somehow help.

As I watch Dr. Phil, I feel somewhat comforted by the words of the criminologist. Whether or not we like it, MT can help LE, and herself. Her door to cooperation remains open IMO. I have to disagree with R.Kelly's lawyer, though, about the garage evidence. We know it contained evidence of a significant physical altercation, and that blood evidence in the garage matters.

One final comment, I happen to be torturing a cohort who is the smartest guy I have ever worked with by making him watch Dr. Phil with me. He knows zip bout the case, but he knows I have been semi-obsessed about it. He is mad at me for even questioning this investigation; says there is "no way" Dulos is going to get away with this murder.

He also said Dulos needs to get a new lawyer immediately. Letting Dulos talk to the press? Incompetent. Posing revenge suicide theories. Whaaaaaat?

 

[JillR]

What is it with the three women involved with FD (JD, MT and first wife) all becoming Greek-ified? Don’t any of them have their own important cultures and families? First wife married him in Greece-FD probably sold that to her as a Destination Wedding, but the truth likely is that he would only have married her there, but nowhere else. We saw what happened with JD-kids could only have Greek names and Greek holidays-and now MT and the possibility that she wears a wedding ring on her right hand, in the Greek fashion, as well as possibly sporting a Greek pendant and worry beads. What is it with this guy? He can’t let his women be what they are? And are they ever malleable, it seems!

Would someone post links on one post of all pics with MT fingers and the beads please? I’m reading the responses and I would love to view

 

[Hair of the Dog]

I really think that the normal business records, as we all think would be typical, do not actually exist; at least not in a QuickBooks type of way. His business is a sham in the sense that there is no way of knowing exactly how much these houses cost to build, so the final price to buyer would be considerably higher than first agreed upon. OR, it (FORE) is a racket in the true sense, where the supposed business is hardly more than a front for some other activity going on, where much more money is generated. In any event, I do not think FD is able to produce the books for the FORE group. I am still wondering how Susan Morin looked at whatever he cobbled together and said “sure, I can put my fanny in the fire and help you out.”

Their friend the loan officer could have helped FD get a loan with his fake financials by exploiting loopholes at the bank.....running interference at the underwriting level....giving him the cover page and certification from somebody else's audited financials that with a little creative doctoring and copying were submitted to lend authenticity to his.

MOO, MOO, MOO all the way to the bank!

 

[JillR]

I don't get verified because I am hoping not to get too attached to this forum. I feel like I am neglecting other matters when I come here and I have sworn I will step away once Dulos is arrested. This case has brought out the crusader in me (and many, many others). I am sharing my experiences because it is my foolish notion that maybe our collective wisdom can somehow help.

As I watch Dr. Phil, I feel somewhat comforted by the words of the criminologist. Whether or not we like it, MT can help LE, and herself. Her door to cooperation remains open IMO. I have to disagree with R.Kelly's lawyer, though, about the garage evidence. We know it contained evidence of a significant physical altercation, and that blood evidence in the garage matters.

One final comment, I happen to be torturing a cohort who is the smartest guy I have ever worked with by making him watch Dr. Phil with me. He knows zip bout the case, but he knows I have been semi-obsessed about it. He is mad at me for even questioning this investigation; says there is "no way" Dulos is going to get away with this murder.

He also said Dulos needs to get a new lawyer immediately. Letting Dulos talk to the press? Incompetent. Posing revenge suicide theories. Whaaaaaat?

Nancy Grace laughed loudly about the revenge suicide theory on Dr. Oz. She said I hope the FD team tkeep talking because it’s so absurd!

 

[MemPat]

Yes, this is usually farmed out to private companies. There are exceptions in states like Oregon, who do not have private bail bondsmen. The private company reports to whoever the sheriff has designated and this report should come quickly after noncompliance, especially in a serious case like this. It is. of course, forwarded to the State and the court.

The failure to keep the device charged 4 times, after warning, is not minor in any sense of the word, despite Pattis' usual "so what" response. Messing with those batteries will get defendants locked up, at least in places other than CT. It is also made crystal clear to all defendants who are given the privilege of pretrial release exactly what is required of them and I have never, ever seen a bad battery account for the failure of the device to keep a charge. With that happens, the defendant is called in the battery, or even the whole device replaced and that is the end of it. Dulos is definitely, 100 % , no doubt, testing the limits of this device and even Mr. Pattis must know this, despite his usual schtick.

Of course, Mr. Pattis is going to shake his head and say meh. To date, his client has suffered zero repercussions for his conduct. I may have to come up with a new phrase (and I bet the prosecutors in CT already have). What is the Pattis response?"Sir, your client has been found with a dead body in his trunk." Pattis."So what? What's the big deal? Is murder even illegal is this state? It wasn't murder, the victim shot herself and threw herself in the back of my client's car to get back at him. Revenge suicide! He loves his children. Bring it on! Where are the cameras! I want full exposure to rebut all the lies the prosecution isn't telling! Get my buddy Dave on the line. My client is being framed, those batteries deliberately went dead to spite my client."

The Pattis response will be the new label for making a molehill out of a mountain and vice versa as it benefits his client. Facts are, of course, irrelevant to the Pattis response.

I love that no matter how Pattis uses smoke and mirrors to make that evidence mountain appear to disappear, trial day comes and...Whoops! There it is!