Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #28

[afitzy]

Now I wonder if the state Supreme Court will put up with NP’s bad behavior?

Isn't the Atty. P disciplinary hearing in the Jones case coming up soon?

Here is DA's story about the situation with the Pattis disciplinary hearing:

Lawyer for Alex Jones faces possible censure for submitting false affidavit in Sandy Hook lawsuit

Interesting quotes from the article to 'explain the improperly signed affidavit"

“We were up against a strict timeline. Mr. Jones was in Texas. Two representatives of his were with me in Connecticut, one with power of attorney, the other an attorney and Mr. Jones swore to the truth of his statement,” Pattis said. [BBM - doesn't this sound like something a 5th grader would say when their homework dropped down a storm drain and they wanted to stay out playing rather than going home and redoing their homework or some other wacky excuse a 5th grader might come up with?]

“The Sandy Hook plaintiffs are doing all they can to leverage discovery issues to avoid a decision on the merits as to our motion to dismiss,” Pattis said. [BBM - OK, here comes the adversary, I'm under attack and the bombs are dropping, situation is dire and I have absolutely NO CHOICE but to do something unlawful - the CHOICE IS TAKEN AWAY FROM ME BY THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE OTHER PARTY]!

Chris Mattei, a lawyer for the families, said they had no position on the affidavit dispute.

“We believe that is an issue between you and his (Jones) attorney,” Mattei said.


I haven't been following this Jones case that closely but what immediately jumped out at me in this particular situation was that YET AGAIN Atty. P resorted to "WHATEVER WORKS" tactics and then turned around and blamed others (in this case the Sandy Hook plaintiffs) for creating a scenario where doing the legal and technically correct thing simply wasn't an option!

What I find so stunning in watching these 'Pattis events' play out it that external forces can simply push him to the point of doing things that are simply against the law and over and over there are no consequences for unlawful choices. In the Jones case it was allegedly filing a false affidavit and in the Dulos Family Court matter it was leaking a sealed draft psych report to the press because he was 'trying to avert a hit job by the press against his client'. We see this compulsive behaviour over and over and the lack of moral and ethical framework doesn't seem to exist to temper these impulses and IMO this is disturbing to see in a legal professional.

I really wonder if Atty. P. when he is in these moments where a decision must be made about doing something or doing the right thing, whether he is simply incapable of doing anything but whatever works to accomplish his goal at that particular moment? Scary to have the inability to make a clear cut choice on right or wrong decisions and not be able to control bad/unlawful impulses, but Atty. P I sense simply rolls the dice on these things and hopes to not be caught or called out.

Sadly IMO nothing about the Pattis behaviour will ever change if Judge's like Judge Heller don't call him out or report him or censure him or fine him or refer his behaviour to the CT Bar for review. Further none of the Atty's dealing with Pattis in the Family Court matter regarding the psych report appear to have reported him either. My recollection of the matter was that Atty. Dranginis was so 'exercised' by the matter that she personally went to go visit Pattis to address the situation about the psych report. But, so far as I have been able to figure out it doesn't appear she or any of her partners reported Atty. P either. Wonder why? Guess it simply looks like this is what is meant by 'professional courtesy' in the State of CT amongst members of the bar.

MOO MOO MOO

 

[afitzy]

The state Supreme Court has agreed to hear Fotis Dulos appeal of gag order by Stamford Judge. Oral arguments before the state's highest court will be in December.

Yes, HC wrote the following:

Connecticut Supreme Court grants emergency appeal on gag order in Fotis Dulos case

"Chief Justice Richard Robinson granted attorney Norm Pattis’ application to have the state’s highest court review the gag order put in place on Sept. 12 by Judge John Blawie. Pattis must now file a legal brief by Oct. 9. The state will have until Oct. 28 to respond and the hearing will be scheduled for sometime after Dec. 5."

 

[afitzy]

Any of them around here lately?

I think we saw one of the sisters at the second court appearance in Stamford.

 

[afitzy]

Is it a site where members can private message. For instance could Michelle or other members of the Troconis clan communicate with him? MOO

My guess is that a WhatsApp group chat or any of the encrypted options would be virtually untraceable by LE. Given FD less than impressive tech skills my guess would be that MT might have set it all up before the two were separated by the legal system.

The other question I have for the States Atty is why are MT and FD both permitted to be on social media while out on bail/bond and possibly following each other and/or communicating? Wouldn't such a circumstance be a violation of the no contact order? This would apply to very basic sites such as Facebook and Instagram that are not at all difficult to search.

MOO

 

[LosAngeles]

My guess is that a WhatsApp group chat or any of the encrypted options would be virtually untraceable by LE. Given FD less than impressive tech skills my guess would be that MT might have set it all up before the two were separated by the legal system. MOO

Agree. I have to hope that the “no contact” law enforcement team have tightened all controls to, at the very least, are notified if they are violated. Similar to the ankle bracelet monitor. Alerting Probation Officers of any movement outside of the state lines, low battery etc...violating the rules.

If impossible to control private portals, then guess what? LE better tighten those controls by taking away electronic devices that circumvent those orders that have no ability to monitored. IMO.

 

[MsJosie]

My guess is that a WhatsApp group chat or any of the encrypted options would be virtually untraceable by LE. Given FD less than impressive tech skills my guess would be that MT might have set it all up before the two were separated by the legal system.

The other question I have for the States Atty is why are MT and FD both permitted to be on social media while out on bail/bond and possibly following each other and/or communicating? Wouldn't such a circumstance be a violation of the no contact order? This would apply to very basic sites such as Facebook and Instagram that are not at all difficult to search.

MOO

and that is why with the violation of the gag order he needs to be in jail....moo

 

[1&2&3]

As I see it, FD got a lawyer that thinks and acts just like he does.

Laws have never meant anything to FD and it appears NP feels the same way! Both guys are use to doing pretty much what they want without any consequences.

Now NP is facing this upcoming disciplinary hearing. What are the odds that he will sail through it free and clear?

 

[1&2&3]

I am not real tech savory to know how this would work.

What would keep FD and MT from having burner phones to keep in contact with each other? Of course, these phones were purchased by other people, so they are not in FD or MT’s name.

From what Afitzy and LosAngeles stated above, there are numerous ways these two could be in contact. LE surely knows of these. It seems as if LE and/or the court system are very lax in CT. JMO.

 

[Tink56]

I am not real tech savory to know how this would work.

What would keep FD and MT from having burner phones to keep in contact with each other? Of course, these phones were purchased by other people, so they are not in FD or MT’s name.

From what Afitzy and LosAngeles stated above, there are numerous ways these two could be in contact. LE surely knows of these. It seems as if LE and/or the court system are very lax in CT. JMO.

TIA! I can't believe that anyone in LE thinks they have these two separated and are not in contact.

After the second arrest warrant, NP came out with his "lying lover" comment which quickly changed to his "the state can be a formidable opponent" and "MT will tell the truth at trial." I sincerely believe that a contact between FD and MT is responsible for that change. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if NP advised FD that MT CAN change her testimony at trial.

I don't know if LE is being naïve or if they have some kind of sting going on. I hope the latter is the case, but am afraid it may not be. Soooooo many ways around a no contact order, just ask your kids or grandkids. MOO

 

[dkryder]

as far as the two using unknown phones, LE does have a remedy if they care to wade into the possible legal mind field. it's known as a mobile stingray device. in active mode it acts like a cell tower. basically local phones connect and info from the phone is collected, the voice aspect is not. by using at location where target is the idea is that reoccurring numbers or even just IMSI info determines those devices are probably being used by the target then it's just a jump to other tech to record. i've read that u.s. govt. agencies as well as foreign govt use them quite a bit. fbi has also. current theory is some group, supposedly Israel, has been using those to monitor trump. fbi supposedly used one to gain infos on trumps one-time lawyer Michael Cohen. many times one reason fbi is brought into an investigation is due to that agency having ability to use this tech. MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I agree with you that FD has had a lifetime of covering up who and what he is and who knows what else is left to be uncovered. He even changed his name from Duolos to Dulos to create a new 'image' for his 'Coming to America' show after he left Athens!

I thought that the mask was 'ripped' off of FD as a human being, husband and father in family court and all we saw was one press release from a CT DV Group and a few comments from Carrie Luft after Atty P. viciously thrashed the missing/murdered victim JD in the press for months using many unfounded theories and many lies IMO. Even Judge Heller effectively called FD a liar and a dead beat dad to his 5 children but she never tossed him in jail or fined him so far as I am aware. Judge Heller also seemed to sit by as FD financial disclosure was never resolved in Family Court even though it was painfully obvious from reading the court testimony that FD and his then atty appeared to be creating financial disclosure statements from whole cloth IMO. But still the Press reporting was lukewarm and we see a smiling FD outside of Troop G after AW2 as if all is well and fine in CT.

We saw FD bemoaning the loss of his 'beautiful life with Michelle' in the Dateline interview, while never shedding a tear or even mentioning his missing and now presumed dead wife JD.

I was optimistic that FD as a deceptive thief and financial con artist/fraudster would be easily seen by the Press taking the time to read the documents in the GF Civil Case but I'm not even sure the press knows how to cover the financial aspects of the civil case.

We saw the 'friends' FD surrounded himself with in Farmington from the 'alibi witness' KM accused of spousal rape in his messy divorce, to GV, Sue Morin and MT of 'shady loan' fame, the "Greek Benefactor" sending cash to NY atty to fund the legal 'show' of Atty. P, to disbarred former atty Ford to Atty Murray and his equally messy divorce and on and on the slime ball express kept chugging out dirtbags and people who exploit the legal system to extract their pound of flesh. I probably should toss morally bankrupt and amoral MT into the mix of this group as she no doubt fit in perfectly, but so far we haven't seen any consequences for MT from the State of CT for her role in the FORE situation or the disappearance of JD beyond tampering and hindering.

Most days it seems like its a parallel universe where FD skates through the legal system in the State of CT with zero consequences as does his rag tag group of legal professionals.

Not sure why there never seems to be any consequences.

MOO

Well said, as always, @afitzy.

Decrying the situation as 'outrageous' doesn't even begin to cover it...

Serious harm to and the murder of Jennifer, a loving person and mom, daughter, friend, who was more than afraid for her life from the threat her husband posed to her, is more than plausible as a reason for her disappearance, and the actions and antics of the perpetrators and their enablers and lawyers and corrupt bystanders are simply unconscionable, IMO.

Just trying to sit tight and wait for AW#3 and murder charges and other charges for all involved in Jennifer's disappearance and murder.

She was not a pawn to be taken off the chessboard. Life is not a game to be played with winners and losers assigned by the fickle hand of fate. Bad people who do bad things to innocent people will pay for it. There's no turning the other cheek or getting a pass in this situation, and anyone who is naive enough to think so is subhuman, and therefore not even a part of the system of justice. Justice for Jennifer. It's coming, hard. MOO

 

[JillR]

Ok fine ,
You are probably right .

So, hmmm . We know LE has scoured every nook and cranny .

Bonfire:
ala Patrick Frazee - nope neighbors would have called fire dept , complained about smoke .

Dumped in an oil tank:
ala Chris Watts - Nope , no access .

Septic Tank : Ruled out.

Loud clang coming from Sturbridge : mystery

Poison Ivy : I think obtained on FD’s way into JD’s house . He didn’t wear some type of body Coverall , boots or gloves , probably wearing shorts to look like he was out for a run .

Might have a planted a weapon , change of clothes somewhere in side yard after b’day celebration.

Put body in Raptor Then what...

There just doesn’t seem To be that many locations to dispose of a body in such a short timeframe by 1 or 2 amateurs that still remain undetected .

How the heck is he/ they smarter than
all of us .. WTF

Moo

JD said he fantasized about seeking revenge on people who did him wrong. She mentioned the word “sick”. Everyone has to let their mind go to dark places. Think of movies he may have seen or areas that he knew of that were appealing to him. Maybe new development areas that are currently desolate.

 

[JillR]

the noise from the fore property overnight is puzzling. i know that home construction sites often have large dumpsters for construction waste. i also know many waste companies pick up those things [after leaving an empty] early mornings. so that's what i thought might be the noise. they are usually large roll-offs that are too heavy to move with something like a forklift. these sites also sometimes have a smaller dumpster for non-construction waste since rules are to not mix the two wastes. the smaller ones can be moved by a forklift. anyway, i see two possibilities. 1. [the most probable to me] FD knew the large dumpster [if it was in fact there] would be switched out since it was pick up day. and FD knew exactly where the empty would be placed. that ground was probably fairly loose due to grading prior to the build start. easy to dig in. so FD digs a hole overnight and places JD in it. waste company comes early morning and puts the empty over the burial spot. 2. same idea but FD moves small dumpster, digs hole, places body, covers hole, puts small dumpster over it. i'm not suggesting LE in that area are dimwits and i know they check IN dumpsters and AT dumps but would they have the forethought to check UNDER the dumpster? the ground under either of the dumpsters would normally appear broken & disturbed from the moving. the body decomposition odor might not be detectable if deep enough or body is in some container. so not too sure about dogs detecting it. maybe run some type of ground radar over the ground that the dumpsters were over that day? anyway, thanks for reading. as i've said i missed a large chunk of early discussion so if this theory has been discussed my apologies. MOO.

I would make sure LE was aware of these thoughts.

 

[JillR]

as far as the two using unknown phones, LE does have a remedy if they care to wade into the possible legal mind field. it's known as a mobile stingray device. in active mode it acts like a cell tower. basically local phones connect and info from the phone is collected, the voice aspect is not. by using at location where target is the idea is that reoccurring numbers or even just IMSI info determines those devices are probably being used by the target then it's just a jump to other tech to record. i've read that u.s. govt. agencies as well as foreign govt use them quite a bit. fbi has also. current theory is some group, supposedly Israel, has been using those to monitor trump. fbi supposedly used one to gain infos on trumps one-time lawyer Michael Cohen. many times one reason fbi is brought into an investigation is due to that agency having ability to use this tech. MOO

You have a lot to offer. THANK YOU!

 

[LosAngeles]

and that is why with the violation of the gag order he needs to be in jail....moo

Part of the challenge of enforcing a no-contact order in the digital age, IMO, is that technology frequently offers additional new ways to put humans in touch with one another, while the courts & LE are often slow to understand their implications. Typically, it's the "victim" that enforces the "no-contact" violation by contacting the court that her/his abuser has been contacting them. In this case, both FD & MT are eager to speak to one another, so, unfortunately, they will find multiple undetected platforms that will support that goal.

 

[Southernsnooper]

They can communicate undetected as simply as playing Words With Friends!

Or even playing video games you can communicate. All you need is that person’s code. Moo

 

[bubby girl]

I'm surprised FD's page is up again on that social media site because it had been inactive for a while. His friends are no longer
visible as they once were...can't imagine why!

IMO anyone around him his suspect as FD is a shady arrogant guy..I wouldn’t want to be listed/visible on any social media- get sleuthed and by LE too! It is a large web to untangle..

 

[Southernsnooper]

Isn't the Atty. P disciplinary hearing in the Jones case coming up soon?

Here is DA's story about the situation with the Pattis disciplinary hearing:

Lawyer for Alex Jones faces possible censure for submitting false affidavit in Sandy Hook lawsuit

Interesting quotes from the article to 'explain the improperly signed affidavit"

“We were up against a strict timeline. Mr. Jones was in Texas. Two representatives of his were with me in Connecticut, one with power of attorney, the other an attorney and Mr. Jones swore to the truth of his statement,” Pattis said. [BBM - doesn't this sound like something a 5th grader would say when their homework dropped down a storm drain and they wanted to stay out playing rather than going home and redoing their homework or some other wacky excuse a 5th grader might come up with?]

“The Sandy Hook plaintiffs are doing all they can to leverage discovery issues to avoid a decision on the merits as to our motion to dismiss,” Pattis said. [BBM - OK, here comes the adversary, I'm under attack and the bombs are dropping, situation is dire and I have absolutely NO CHOICE but to do something unlawful - the CHOICE IS TAKEN AWAY FROM ME BY THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE OTHER PARTY]!

Chris Mattei, a lawyer for the families, said they had no position on the affidavit dispute.

“We believe that is an issue between you and his (Jones) attorney,” Mattei said.


I haven't been following this Jones case that closely but what immediately jumped out at me in this particular situation was that YET AGAIN Atty. P resorted to "WHATEVER WORKS" tactics and then turned around and blamed others (in this case the Sandy Hook plaintiffs) for creating a scenario where doing the legal and technically correct thing simply wasn't an option!

What I find so stunning in watching these 'Pattis events' play out it that external forces can simply push him to the point of doing things that are simply against the law and over and over there are no consequences for unlawful choices. In the Jones case it was allegedly filing a false affidavit and in the Dulos Family Court matter it was leaking a sealed draft psych report to the press because he was 'trying to avert a hit job by the press against his client'. We see this compulsive behaviour over and over and the lack of moral and ethical framework doesn't seem to exist to temper these impulses and IMO this is disturbing to see in a legal professional.

I really wonder if Atty. P. when he is in these moments where a decision must be made about doing something or doing the right thing, whether he is simply incapable of doing anything but whatever works to accomplish his goal at that particular moment? Scary to have the inability to make a clear cut choice on right or wrong decisions and not be able to control bad/unlawful impulses, but Atty. P I sense simply rolls the dice on these things and hopes to not be caught or called out.

Sadly IMO nothing about the Pattis behaviour will ever change if Judge's like Judge Heller don't call him out or report him or censure him or fine him or refer his behaviour to the CT Bar for review. Further none of the Atty's dealing with Pattis in the Family Court matter regarding the psych report appear to have reported him either. My recollection of the matter was that Atty. Dranginis was so 'exercised' by the matter that she personally went to go visit Pattis to address the situation about the psych report. But, so far as I have been able to figure out it doesn't appear she or any of her partners reported Atty. P either. Wonder why? Guess it simply looks like this is what is meant by 'professional courtesy' in the State of CT amongst members of the bar.

MOO MOO MOO

I believe it’s 9 am this am.

Moo

 

[citygirl]

MT coming into court with mother and sister.
Michelle Troconis Makes Brief Court Appearance

 

[Deleted member 229974]

They could communicate privately. I assumed from prior posts that I can't say what social media site it is. Let's just say it's a site where you can read faces.