Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #28

[afitzy]

I’m glad you got that off your chest! This situation is mind boggling!!!

Without getting too personal several years ago I went through the process in CT to gain custody of a grandchild.

The other “parties” NEVER once told the TRUTH to their friends and family members about what went on in court. As we run into some of these mutual acquaintances I am amazed at the different stories that were told to them. There isn’t a semblance of truth in any version.

I by no means am trying to infer that MT is a saint however I do not believe FD ever went “home” to MT and told her the truth. MOO

Sorry, but the FD FB picture still being front and centre on his cover page simply sent me over the edge a bit as I was thinking about why we haven't seen any movement to remove GAL Meehan from Family Court yet as I see FD continued non compliance with regard to his children to be closely tied to GAL Meehan.

I just kept asking myself whether if the FD defiance was ongoing regarding the children and the psychological health of the children was deteriorating then why did GAL Meehan not undertake a more activist role?

Was GAL Meehan instead assisting even if via his own passivity/inaction, the ongoing FD/MT defiance of Family Court orders? IDK. But all these issues hit me yet again this morning as the FB picture was discussed. Who had the responsibility of safeguarding the 5 Dulos children on behalf of the court and protecting them from poor decision making by FD and MT? Only 1 person here to look at IMO and it is GAL Meehan and ultimately Judge Heller.

I don't disagree with you on the issue of people only sharing selected messages with outsiders. BUT on the issue of MT I have to simply add that no matter what he told her SHE knew that SHE was unable to be at 4Jx with the 5 Dulos children when they were present. Now, if someone told you that you wouldn't be permitted to be in the same place at the same time as the 5 children and you had an 10-11 yo. child of your own, wouldn't you view the child as an extension of yourself or want to not expose your children to any unnecessary drama or interference in a situation that didn't involve them and simply remove your child along with you for the day or weekend etc.?

But, this is not apparently what MT decided to do as a parent. No. MT left her child with FD and the 5 Dulos children. IMO this is simply FD and MT thumbing their nose at JD and her atty for not adding the extra provision to include MT daughter in the motion made to court.

I can't even go there on MT moral/ethical choices as that is a conversation that has been beaten to death many times, but I just keep asking myself the old 'reasonable person' test here. What reasonable person barred from a situation and who has legal responsibility for a minor child wouldn't chose to remove the minor child from the situation when they themselves are legally barred from being present?

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Ok , good point.

I’m going to rule out the dumpster switching for now . I’ll assume LE thought of it and interviewed all the drivers that day . LE also met with crowbar guy .

I’m going to take an educated guess that FD wouldn’t know how to mix a bag of concrete to save his life to anchor her down in water .
He could have used cinder blocks, bricks whatnot but ..

He didn’t have access to a boat on any reservoir , he couldn’t just slide her off the bank and into the water . I seriously don’t think he had enough time to get her to a body of water .

If he disposed of JD’s body himself with no accomplice other than MT (maybe), that just leaves the:

Shovel and the knife

So, your movie plot idea got me thinking .

*He could have dismembered her body, cut it up and froze the parts .

*Made a stew fed to a dog /pig , Buried the stew .

*Boiled body parts then used a blender or Grinder , made chili and it’s been sitting in
His freezer ever since ..

According to MT ,they had lunch that day (granted that could be a lie) . So, that places him at his home .

This theory seems too bloody though and where would he have chopped her up without leaving any DNA.

That leaves the SHOVEL ...

IMO some variation of this 'dismemberment' theory seems likely.

I do wonder though given the disposal process that is so clearly described for MT and FD along Albany Ave., whether he had a similar process for the JD remains?

He clearly had enough time at 80MS to undertake everything you describe.

Such a process would most likely involve significant site and personal clean up and so perhaps this is what happened at 80MS in the gaps noted in AW1 and 2?

If we knew more about the items recovered along Albany or at MIRA it might make the situation clearer. But, the general framework of the FD/MT timeline from the AWs does suggest activity in/around 4Jx and 80MS on the afternoon of the 24th.

MOO

 

[Outforjustice]

Sorry, but the FD FB picture still being front and centre on his cover page simply sent me over the edge a bit as I was thinking about why we haven't seen any movement to remove GAL Meehan from Family Court yet as I see FD continued non compliance with regard to his children to be closely tied to GAL Meehan.

I just kept asking myself whether if the FD defiance was ongoing regarding the children and the psychological health of the children was deteriorating then why did GAL Meehan not undertake a more activist role?

Was GAL Meehan instead assisting even if via his own passivity/inaction, the ongoing FD/MT defiance of Family Court orders? IDK. But all these issues hit me yet again this morning as the FB picture was discussed. Who had the responsibility of safeguarding the 5 Dulos children on behalf of the court and protecting them from poor decision making by FD and MT? Only 1 person here to look at IMO and it is GAL Meehan and ultimately Judge Heller.

I don't disagree with you on the issue of people only sharing selected messages with outsiders. BUT on the issue of MT I have to simply add that no matter what he told her SHE knew that SHE was unable to be at 4Jx with the 5 Dulos children when they were present. Now, if someone told you that you wouldn't be permitted to be in the same place at the same time as the 5 children and you had an 10-11 yo. child of your own, wouldn't you view the child as an extension of yourself or want to not expose your children to any unnecessary drama or interference in a situation that didn't involve them and simply remove your child along with you for the day or weekend etc.?

But, this is not apparently what MT decided to do as a parent. No. MT left her child with FD and the 5 Dulos children. IMO this is simply FD and MT thumbing their nose at JD and her atty for not adding the extra provision to include MT daughter in the motion made to court.

I can't even go there on MT moral/ethical choices as that is a conversation that has been beaten to death many times, but I just keep asking myself the old 'reasonable person' test here. What reasonable person barred from a situation and who has legal responsibility for a minor child wouldn't chose to remove the minor child from the situation when they themselves are legally barred from being present?

MOO

Exactly... and what kind of mother would put their child in a situation (alone) with 5 children that her daughter didn’t really know .

MT’s daughter was now living in (their) house , probably sleeping in one of (their) rooms while her own mother was shacking up with (their) Dad .

How awkward and uncomfortable MT’s daughter must have felt to be thrust into this Shakespearean plot .

 

[ajksmom]

Sorry, but the FD FB picture still being front and centre on his cover page simply sent me over the edge a bit as I was thinking about why we haven't seen any movement to remove GAL Meehan from Family Court yet as I see FD continued non compliance with regard to his children to be closely tied to GAL Meehan.

I just kept asking myself whether if the FD defiance was ongoing regarding the children and the psychological health of the children was deteriorating then why did GAL Meehan not undertake a more activist role?

Was GAL Meehan instead assisting even if via his own passivity/inaction, the ongoing FD/MT defiance of Family Court orders? IDK. But all these issues hit me yet again this morning as the FB picture was discussed. Who had the responsibility of safeguarding the 5 Dulos children on behalf of the court and protecting them from poor decision making by FD and MT? Only 1 person here to look at IMO and it is GAL Meehan and ultimately Judge Heller.

I don't disagree with you on the issue of people only sharing selected messages with outsiders. BUT on the issue of MT I have to simply add that no matter what he told her SHE knew that SHE was unable to be at 4Jx with the 5 Dulos children when they were present. Now, if someone told you that you wouldn't be permitted to be in the same place at the same time as the 5 children and you had an 10-11 yo. child of your own, wouldn't you view the child as an extension of yourself or want to not expose your children to any unnecessary drama or interference in a situation that didn't involve them and simply remove your child along with you for the day or weekend etc.?

But, this is not apparently what MT decided to do as a parent. No. MT left her child with FD and the 5 Dulos children. IMO this is simply FD and MT thumbing their nose at JD and her atty for not adding the extra provision to include MT daughter in the motion made to court.

I can't even go there on MT moral/ethical choices as that is a conversation that has been beaten to death many times, but I just keep asking myself the old 'reasonable person' test here. What reasonable person barred from a situation and who has legal responsibility for a minor child wouldn't chose to remove the minor child from the situation when they themselves are legally barred from being present?

MOO

Oh I wish I could help you manage the frustration of the Family Courts MIS-MANAGEMENT of this case.

When I first started to follow this case here (I’m semi-local and HATE the trash our local media puts out) I wish I could’ve known that in some ways I would be forced to relive the absolute horror of our system. I just might not have gotten involved. I lived our custody battle for two and a half years!!!

I was not aware that MT had been notified by the court that she could not be present at visitation.

 

[Outforjustice]

IMO some variation of this 'dismemberment' theory seems likely.

I do wonder though given the disposal process that is so clearly described for MT and FD along Albany Ave., whether he had a similar process for the JD remains?

He clearly had enough time at 80MS to undertake everything you describe.

Such a process would most likely involve significant site and personal clean up and so perhaps this is what happened at 80MS in the gaps noted in AW1 and 2?

If we knew more about the items recovered along Albany or at MIRA it might make the situation clearer. But, the general framework of the FD/MT timeline from the AWs does suggest activity in/around 4Jx and 80MS on the afternoon of the 24th.

MOO

@afitzy you got me thinking ..

Why would FD need to take off JD’s Vineyard Vines shirt and bra to bury her .

He wouldn’t have .

Maybe, the reason he took off her clothes was to cook her .

Ugh.. sorry that was painful to write .



Moo

 

[Jmoose]

Ok , good point.

I’m going to rule out the dumpster switching for now . I’ll assume LE thought of it and interviewed all the drivers that day . LE also met with crowbar guy .

I’m going to take an educated guess that FD wouldn’t know how to mix a bag of concrete to save his life to anchor her down in water .
He could have used cinder blocks, bricks whatnot but ..

He didn’t have access to a boat on any reservoir , he couldn’t just slide her off the bank and into the water . I seriously don’t think he had enough time to get her to a body of water .

If he disposed of JD’s body himself with no accomplice other than MT (maybe), that just leaves the:

Shovel and the knife

So, your movie plot idea got me thinking .

*He could have dismembered her body, cut it up and froze the parts .

*Made a stew fed to a dog /pig , Buried the stew .

*Boiled body parts then used a blender or Grinder , made chili and it’s been sitting in
His freezer ever since ..

According to MT ,they had lunch that day (granted that could be a lie) . So, that places him at his home .

This theory seems too bloody though and where would he have chopped her up without leaving any DNA.

That leaves the SHOVEL ...

I think he is competent enough to mix concrete; it isn’t difficult. But he would have to clean up his mixing mess so nobody would see it. He would need a wheel barrow or other receptacle to mix it in-large enough so he wasn’t mixing batch after batch. He probably didn’t have time for that in New Canaan.

 

[afitzy]

Oh I wish I could help you manage the frustration of the Family Courts MIS-MANAGEMENT of this case.

When I first started to follow this case here (I’m semi-local and HATE the trash our local media puts out) I wish I could’ve known that in some ways I would be forced to relive the absolute horror of our system. I just might not have gotten involved. I lived our custody battle for two and a half years!!!

I was not aware that MT had been notified by the court that she could not be present at visitation.

All we know is that as the parent and person involved in the Family Court litigation that FD was notified that MT could not be present at 4Jx when the 5 Dulos children were present. We don't know if MT was served notice by anyone involved with the case as to the court decision about her presence. I think we had heard from @gitana1 many threads ago on this topic and I think what we were told was that it would be FD responsibility to address the situation with MT and not the courts responsibility.

But, I do think what is disappointing about the entire situation with MT and her daughter was that the violations of the courts order were allegedly found out via the use of a PI and NOT the GAL Meehan or any court appointed advisor. The older children were put in the psychologically damaging position of lying to JD by FD and MT. It sounded like a horrific situation for the children and JD and seemed to represent a new 'low point' of many such 'low points' in the family court tragedy.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

@afitzy you got me thinking ..

Why would FD need to take off JD’s Vineyard Vines shirt and bra to bury her .

He wouldn’t have .

Maybe, the reason he took off her clothes was to cook her .

Ugh.. sorry that was painful to write .



Moo

Yes, you are correct and we have sadly explored options for such a process in earlier threads. The issue though about the VV shirt is that I believe we heard about it via the HC reporting and not from LE via AWs. I have a number of doubts about some of the 'sources' for the HC reporting so I'm not sure what to think about the VV shirt and bra, knife and car mat.

We have had virtually total radio silence from NCPD and State Police so its hard to know what to make of these additional items reported in the HC. Could the info have been from LE leaks? Perhaps. Could the info have been from Atty. P. leaks? Perhaps. IDK.

There are aspects to the stories surrounding each of these items that IMO seem credible, but after being 'whipsawed' and 'misled' by the HC reporting on the 'alibi scripts' and ongoing mistruths from Atty. P, I am going to leave these items off to the side for now.

MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Does anybody remember how LE found Crowbar Guy?

 

[CuriousCat9]

Was the hearing for NP this morning for falsifying an affidavit? Is there a way to find info?

https://jud.ct.gov/SGC/hearings/PH_1019.pdf

 

[afitzy]

Does anybody remember how LE found Crowbar Guy?

Crowbar Guy was found out via his alleged connection to KM. Crowbar Guy showed up with his gas can and crowbar to allegedly 'fix' the garage door of KM STBX. KM STBX being frightened out of her mind called the police (believe it was South Windsor CT), police showed up, police did not apparently arrest Crowbar Guy but they supposedly did know who he was. We don't know if LE simply called KM to discuss the Crowbar Guy situation at the time or even after the fact and that is why Crowbar Guy wasn't arrested. But, given that the local press had to file a FOI request to get the KM arrest warrant in South Windsor and KM only had $5,000 bond for spousal rape charge, I have to admit to being VERY suspicious as to what is going on with LE in South Windsor. The articles about this situation might be in the KM thread but the news coverage of the KM situation has been thin at best. MOO

 

[afitzy]

Was the hearing for NP this morning for falsifying an affidavit? Is there a way to find info?

https://jud.ct.gov/SGC/hearings/PH_1019.pdf

I've had mixed results finding things on the website. But I believe the process is that decisions would be placed here: Grievance Decisions by Name

You can also reach out to some of the press via twitter or FB to see if they have any information or attended the hearing.

 

[Megnut]

When we hear hooves, think horses.

There's no telling how long FD fantasized about his plot of revenge, but here's what I think. I think he assumed he could overpower her....we know what Chris Watts did with HIS bare hands. I have to believe that FD hadn't budgeted for blood....maybe JD fought for her life and he improvised. The AWs describe a "violent assault"... they would know whether the blood spatter happened during the commission of an assault (living victim with active blood pressure) or postmortem, right? If it didn't go down as FD so carefully planned, his first thought had to be cover up. Undress her, leave her in the park with her phone, if not for the bus cameras, he had a "solid alibi" in HIS parked cellphone. If you think about, he may have planned to stage his revenge suicide defense. There's your perfect crime. Borrow a vehicle, leave your phone at home, sneak through the woods, overpower your estranged wife who, like clockwork, would return from delivering her children to school, stage a suicide, run back to your borrowed truck, drive home. And wait. You get your kids, you get her estate, you get to play the grieving husband...
MOO MOO MOO
And more MOO, I think it went off-plan fast. Maybe he was going to sneak in the garage when she drove in, then get behind her... maybe she saw him, and fought like a mother lion.... once things got bloody, it was a whole different deal and he knew it. Then it became a mission of clean up and disposal. Deplorable. My heart goes out to GF, doing everything she can to protect these children from a monster. I've said before, and I've said it here, that the trouble with evil is that it wears shoes like the rest of us. OJ, FT... expensive shoes but shoes none the less. Evil walks among us. It's a further assault to our sensibilities murderers continue to walk among us freely...
I don't feel good about FD and MT in court on the same day. I trust neither of them. I hope that more charges are forecoming. More charges and more jail cells.
I pray that the evidence tells a clear story, and serves to give Jennifer a voice. It's telling that those closest to her wish for good deeds done in her name. She was everything FD and MT will never be.

MOO

 

[Outforjustice]

All we know is that as the parent and person involved in the Family Court litigation that FD was notified that MT could not be present at 4Jx when the 5 Dulos children were present. We don't know if MT was served notice by anyone involved with the case as to the court decision about her presence. I think we had heard from @gitana1 many threads ago on this topic and I think what we were told was that it would be FD responsibility to address the situation with MT and not the courts responsibility.

But, I do think what is disappointing about the entire situation with MT and her daughter was that the violations of the courts order were allegedly found out via the use of a PI and NOT the GAL Meehan or any court appointed advisor. The older children were put in the psychologically damaging position of lying to JD by FD and MT. It sounded like a horrific situation for the children and JD and seemed to represent a new 'low point' of many such 'low points' in the family court tragedy.

MOO

Can you Imagine FD’s rage at being outwitted by JD by her hiring a P.I. To spy on him .
Ya know dang well he added that affront to his revenge fantasy checklist .

 

[Outforjustice]

I think he is competent enough to mix concrete; it isn’t difficult. But he would have to clean up his mixing mess so nobody would see it. He would need a wheel barrow or other receptacle to mix it in-large enough so he wasn’t mixing batch after batch. He probably didn’t have time for that in New Canaan.

But..Would he risk getting concrete on his Gucci Slides with fur lining !

 

[hivee]

Sorry, but the FD FB picture still being front and centre on his cover page simply sent me over the edge a bit as I was thinking about why we haven't seen any movement to remove GAL Meehan from Family Court yet as I see FD continued non compliance with regard to his children to be closely tied to GAL Meehan.

I just kept asking myself whether if the FD defiance was ongoing regarding the children and the psychological health of the children was deteriorating then why did GAL Meehan not undertake a more activist role?

Was GAL Meehan instead assisting even if via his own passivity/inaction, the ongoing FD/MT defiance of Family Court orders? IDK. But all these issues hit me yet again this morning as the FB picture was discussed. Who had the responsibility of safeguarding the 5 Dulos children on behalf of the court and protecting them from poor decision making by FD and MT? Only 1 person here to look at IMO and it is GAL Meehan and ultimately Judge Heller.

I don't disagree with you on the issue of people only sharing selected messages with outsiders. BUT on the issue of MT I have to simply add that no matter what he told her SHE knew that SHE was unable to be at 4Jx with the 5 Dulos children when they were present. Now, if someone told you that you wouldn't be permitted to be in the same place at the same time as the 5 children and you had an 10-11 yo. child of your own, wouldn't you view the child as an extension of yourself or want to not expose your children to any unnecessary drama or interference in a situation that didn't involve them and simply remove your child along with you for the day or weekend etc.?

But, this is not apparently what MT decided to do as a parent. No. MT left her child with FD and the 5 Dulos children. IMO this is simply FD and MT thumbing their nose at JD and her atty for not adding the extra provision to include MT daughter in the motion made to court.

I can't even go there on MT moral/ethical choices as that is a conversation that has been beaten to death many times, but I just keep asking myself the old 'reasonable person' test here. What reasonable person barred from a situation and who has legal responsibility for a minor child wouldn't chose to remove the minor child from the situation when they themselves are legally barred from being present?

MOO

Has Meehan resigned or been fired yet?
Did he report the disturbing comment he heard FD say re DNA before JD went missing? Really, that's their job, isn't it? To pick up on these kinds of things.

 

[dlharris2712]

Could it possibly be that LE/investigators want them both there at the same time because they are going to nail them both at the same time with murder charges?! Wouldn't that be sweet! Yeah, I know, probably just wishful thinking. JMO

I'm going to polish up my "happy dance" shoes...just in case!

 

[hivee]

Evil walks among us.

Yes

 

[Jmoose]

But..Would he risk getting concrete on his Gucci Slides with fur lining !

Lol! Maybe not!

 

[SkylarSid]

I'm surprised FD's page is up again on that social media site because it had been inactive for a while. His friends are no longer
visible as they once were...can't imagine why!

Eww. All that is there are pictures of himself. Guess he put them up so he can admire all of his accomplishments.