Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #58

[Megnut]

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-day-6-jennifer-dulos-ct-18616561.php

Rehash of court yesterday.
Below JS comments after court:

While leaving court following the conclusion of testimony, Schoenhorn said he would continue to object to police characterizing what the footage depicted, but not videos themselves being shown to the jury, which he said will “speak for themselves.”

He said the trial was “extremely stressful” for Troconis, who he said has only been linked to the case thus far by testimony from the Dulos family’s former nanny.

“The state’s apparently going to try and prove that Fotis Dulos murdered his wife. My client’s not charged with that,” he said. “So even if they prove all that, that doesn’t necessarily lead to any other conclusion.”

She doesn't look stressed to me. She looks bored.

I hope the State makes its case, she's convicted and she can be stressed and bored behind bars.

JMO

 

[afitzy]

Excellent point. She has no shortage of justification -- what FD did to JFd, what MT conspired in, what trauma and loss that foist upon the children, but I think it's important to remember that FD betrayed her too. She once believed him to be a quality person, a mentor. He violated all of that. He violated everything.

And to see MT there snapping her gum like she's sitting in a high school home ec class, I'm feeling some holy anger too.

I go back to that day, LA's incredible presence of mind, to gather all five children and bring them to the safety of GF, to resist all of FD's attempted manipulations, and to have remained with the children to date, provinding love and stability, it's extraordinary.

JMO

It’s been been said many times before but I’d like to repeat again, LA is imo a heroine in this case and also imo she saves the 5 dulos children from FD and MT.

Keep in mind she wasn’t a parent, guardian or custodian of the children and was simply an employee of JF at the time. She risked being sued for taking the children (FD did threaten her with kidnapping) across state lines to their grandmother in ny. Put yourself in her shoes as an employee, she didn’t know where her friend and boss was but she had the presence of mind and courage to know something was terribly wrong.

It’s one thing to know something is wrong but it’s another thing to have the courage to do something about it. But for whatever reason she knew that removing the children to the safety of their grandmother was what needed to be done and she did it at great personal risk imo. Not sure how many employees would take such a risk. Iirc she did what she did even without all the proper car seats in place in her much smaller car and also iirc FD threatened to sue her for child endangerment for the lack of proper seating in her small car.

We saw what happened next as FD drove down to New York and assaulted the doorman at GF apartment. Gloria Farber as always was prepared with an armed guard at her apartment. The New York post reported extensively on this for reference. Can you imagine not knowing where your daughter and mother of 5 children was and having to
Deal with a violent and angry FD showing up at your door.

I always wonder if the motivation behind grabbing the children over the weekend was because FD was trying to show himself and a not doubt highly angry MT that there was still a way to access the Farber wealth via the children and keep a roof over their head as Gloria Farber would never allow the children to be homeless? Neither FD or MT cared a whit for the children but only imo cared what the children represented which was control over Gloria Farber and her access to cash to keep the grifting duo in their lifestyle and lattes!

Were FD and MT going to take the children and flee to Greece where GF wouldn’t easily be able to bring them back to US or maybe effectively hold them ransom from their grandmother as she was the only person (other than the trusts of the children) with money in this tragic FD And MT grift as FD and MT worlds were falling apart as neither had any money, the house they were living in belonged to the farbers and the police would be knocking on their door shortly.

Moo

 

[afitzy]

She doesn't look stressed to me. She looks bored.

I hope the State makes its case, she's convicted and she can be stressed and bored behind bars.

JMO

I agree with this statement strongly. LA has had years of being deposed and harassed by FD and frankly just looked done. She did what she did in all this because of her friend and most likely love for the children. Imo there aren’t many folks like LA in the world and the Farber family was lucky to have her and her loyalty when many other people would have simply walked away from the years of messy legal proceedings and never looked back.

LA knew exactly who and what MT is and was and was calling the longstanding affair for what it was too. She also articulated the impact of MT on the Dulos marriage and no doubt could have said so so much more about MT but didn’t as it’s clear what kind of human being MT is and her key role in this entire tragedy.

Being a witness in any trial let alone one that has a very high profile takes a lot of preparation and mental discipline. She and the state also walked the hearsay tightrope flawlessly as well as otherwise imo her testimony would have been wrecked by endless explained shouts by TP of “hearsay!

Imo LA was a virtually flawless witness for the State and did her friend JF and her memory proud in her testimony imo. I also think she was one of the few witnesses TP didn't seek to scores point with as she did a brilliant job staring him down and holding her group with calm grace under great pressure. TP 0. LA 1

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Day 6 Trial Gum Tracker - Yes, reported in the afternoon

Bingo card category idea? How about “Gum Smacker Tracker”?
If already suggested, my apologies please. Hard to keep up with y’all! MOO

 

[pernickety]

At the time I was in the camp that believed Mr Pattis should have been censored, fined or had license pulled for the “gone girl” stunt which went on for months and was endlessly discussed in the press to the exclusion imo of sharing information with the public that might have beem Helpful on this tragic case.

Also for the attempt of that high-profile private investigator NP hired to communicate with Pawel, when NP knew PG was represented by counsel--a violation of the ethical rules. Also for withholding from LE the bucket with the sweatshirt, tools and other items that PG told LE he found in his truck and left at FD's home--IMO possibly obstruction and/or tampering.

 

[Megnut]

Maybe MT got her gum from the sidewalk in Hartford. She wasn't putting some down, she was picking it up. Trash is as trash does.

Waiting for JS to tell us MT's Rosary beads were rolling away.

jmo

 

[afitzy]

Bingo card category idea? How about “Gum Smacker Tracker”?
If already suggested, my apologies please. Hard to keep up with y’all! MOO

Great one. Will add it to the list of categories. Setting up an interactive game that can be played by anyone interested. Stay tuned for details. Any category suggestions can be sent to me via DM.

 

[afitzy]

Maybe MT got her gum from the sidewalk in Hartford. She wasn't putting some down, she was picking it up. Trash is as trash does.

Waiting for JS to tell us MT's Rosary beads were rolling away.

jmo

True. Your comment about the rosary beads has me recalling the ongoing large cross wearing by MT on her walks into courts and I believe we have also seen such religious gear worn by Mama Troconis and the sister crew. I think I will add Cross Necklace to the Bingo Card or perhaps Rosary Beads as I seem to recall these being worn as well at some point or something that looked like them. Anyway, will add to Bingo Card.

I guess we also could have a remedial lesson on the "10 Commandments" for MT and the Troconis crew which might be instructive even though its probably way too late for any impact of theology on this crime family imo!

Might do a post on a "10 Commandments" analysis of MT at some point to put a point on the fact that attempting to portray MT or any member of her family as being remotely in line with teachings of the Catholic Church is frankly ridiculous imo. Haven't seen any crosses lately so perhaps they got the message that this particular symbol wasn't "on brand"!

Its hard to not laugh at the imo pathetic arrogance and entitlement of MT and the Troconis crew to think that anyone knowing any of them would be remotely fooled by them hanging a cross around their necks! Pathetically hilarious imo. Catholic theology preaches endlessly about forgiveness but the limits of the teachings of the Church can be found in Murder.

 

[LosAngeles]

If DA had provided any information or specific evidence gained from his tour of Albany Avenue and time spent playing Inspector clouseau on the issue of “fudge” and such information had been investigated by law enforcement then this issue could have been put to bed once and for all.

I personally think the appropriate course of action would have been to provide any information to law enforcement given this was a criminal investigation at the time the article was written. DA allegedly had ties to law enforcement and was routinely fed information by law enforcement on the case if I recall. I don’t know what or if DA did with any information he gained in his alleged investigation. Perhaps he did the right thing and contacted law enforcement but we just don’t know and I don’t believe he ever spoke further about the matter either. Perhaps he will now? I’m not holding my breath waiting…..

Idk if there are specific exceptions for “reporters” testifying at trial on matters of their work using protected sources?

Also, I believe Mr pattis might be on the witness list so perhaps he might shed light on the issue of “fudge” under oath as well. Again, not holding my breath on this ever happening.

Does anyone know if an attorney that has had their license suspended to practice for I believe 6 months in CT should be referred to as “attorney”? Imo NO. So, will refer to him as Mr. Pattis as he has no license at the moment I believe.

At the time I was in the camp that believed Mr Pattis should have been censored, fined or had license pulled for the “gone girl” stunt which went on for months and was endlessly discussed in the press to the exclusion imo of sharing information with the public that might have beem Helpful on this tragic case.

Mr Pattis imo repeated unsubstantiated information in the case and victim shamed and slammed for months and he did this with any member of the press that would take his call imo. The reposters did work closely with Mr Pattis and my recollection is DA was one of his closest contacts.

The Farber family pursued Mr Pattis in civil litigation (might have been 2 cases) and I believe there was a sealed settlement that precludes him from writing about the case for a period of time and idk whether the settlement precludes him from publicly discussing the case too but my suspicion is it might. Here is paywalled article: Attorney Norm Pattis, law partner barred from speaking about Jennifer Farber Dulos case for 40 years under agreement to settle estate of Fotis Dulos

My recollection of NP’s law license suspension is the following: In January, 2023, NP had his law license suspended by a judge for six months for accidentally releasing medical records related to Sandy Hook. Shortly thereafter, February, 2023, a state appeals court ordered a stay, so reinstated his licensed. The appeals ruling means Pattis can continue practicing while the appeals process plays out, which could take years. So, I think his license IS active. But, please correct me if I’m wrong. For such a high profile and combative defense attorney who has practiced law since 1993, it’s fascinating that he has had no public disciplinary history until January 2023.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Ps….. and a quick shout out again of thanks! to our wonderful WS counterparts up there in CT covering this for us! Your commitment and insight is wonderful to follow and gauge this case. And to help with awareness on the happenings and court room unfolding. Not all can watch the stream. Thank you again!

On a lighter note, maybe we need a Bingo and Jeopardy morph to follow some of the other happenings? ‘Alex, can I please have MT, gum, and sidewalk for 1,000?’ MOO

 

[afitzy]

My recollection of NP’s law license suspension is the following: In January, 2023, NP had his law license suspended by a judge for six months for accidentally releasing medical records related to Sandy Hook. Shortly thereafter, February, 2023, a state appeals court ordered a stay, so reinstated his licensed. The appeals ruling means Pattis can continue practicing while the appeals process plays out, which could take years. So, I think his license IS active. But, please correct me if I’m wrong. For such a high profile and combative defense attorney who has practiced law since 1993, it’s fascinating that he has had no public disciplinary history until January 2023.

Hi, thanks for this update as I admit to only reading a handful of articles and early motions on the matter. The appeals document is on my lexis/nexis reading list but frankly every time I pick it up to read I simply get angry about his ongoing conduct (Dulos case and Sandy Hook) that I put it down. I guess it might be time to suck it up and read what the Appeals Court said.

Just this week we saw Schoenhorn introduce the discredited and disallowed Herman report (previously MT attempted to discuss it with police in one of her early interviews before she was stopped by her then attorney Bowman who knew she was not to have that document in her possession). Schoenhorn introduced the discredited and disallowed Herman report with zero hesitation and he did it after having his litigation to have the Family Court file unsealed). Judge did nothing. State did not object. My bet is all parties knew this was not to be discussed but frankly didn't care to spend the time arguing about it. Sadly though the Jury heard pure information without context and this is where my personal fury with the Judge and the State exists on this particular issue.

Further, we see zero effort by the Judge to shut down Schoenhorn effectively using Court time to pontificate and testify on cross rather than asking a question. In most jurisdictions its a typical Judge or Prosecution comment to ask Defense what the question is when the pontificating bush league tactic is tried and this generally shuts down the practice and forces the defence attorney to do their job. Sadly we have seen Schoenhorn do this pontificating endlessly and Judge is tolerating it. The craft of being an excellent defense attorney takes much skill and attention to detail as well as extensive trial preparation to undertake effective witness cross and evidence presentation to the Court. IMO rather than effectively questioning witnesses put on by the State what we have sadly had to listen to is his own testimony which imo is oftentimes factually inaccurate, downright incorrect and always confusing and absolutely done with intention. Sadly the Court has allowed this and imo its confused the jurors and tainted the possibility of justice and for this I solely blame the Judge for allowing it and for the State not questioning it.

Sadly the conduct of attorneys in CT such as Pattis and now Schoenhorn has little effective oversight imo. I'm frankly shocked that KM lost his license and imo he probably would not have absent affiliation to a high profile case. Recall the case of David Ford and his disbarment early in this case? Recall the games played by Family Court GAL Attorney Meehan? Would Atty Meehan's behaviour been allowed in other jurisdictions with no censure or possible disbarrment? My guess is NO. I frankly have little faith in CT Bar to police itself based on seeing so much corruption and misbehaviour over the years in CT and so its hard to have faith in achieving justice when the people charged with participating in the process are who they are and truly have no risk of losing their licenses.

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Ps….. and a quick shout out again of thanks! to our wonderful WS counterparts up there in CT covering this for us! Your commitment and insight is wonderful to follow and gauge this case. And to help with awareness on the happenings and court room unfolding. Not all can watch the stream. Thank you again!

On a lighter note, maybe we need a Bingo and Jeopardy morph to follow some of the other happenings? ‘Alex, can I please have MT, gum, and sidewalk for 1,000?’ MOO

I'm up totally up for a good Jeopardy if anyone wants to take it on! I'm working on interactive online Bingo and that is the most I have time for at this time. Just to be clear this is all being suggested only as a stress reducer for this complex and long trial and is NOT meant to disparage anyone involved or make light of the tragedy that occurred. Nope. Not one bit.

I'll take Corrupt CT Attorneys and Judges for 1000 please!
or
I'll take MT/FD Affair details for 500 please!

 

[afitzy]

Maybe MT got her gum from the sidewalk in Hartford. She wasn't putting some down, she was picking it up. Trash is as trash does.

Waiting for JS to tell us MT's Rosary beads were rolling away.

jmo

Adding Sidewalk Gum to the Bingo card.

 

[pernickety]

My recollection of NP’s law license suspension is the following: In January, 2023, NP had his law license suspended by a judge for six months for accidentally releasing medical records related to Sandy Hook. Shortly thereafter, February, 2023, a state appeals court ordered a stay, so reinstated his licensed. The appeals ruling means Pattis can continue practicing while the appeals process plays out, which could take years. So, I think his license IS active. But, please correct me if I’m wrong. For such a high profile and combative defense attorney who has practiced law since 1993, it’s fascinating that he has had no public disciplinary history until January 2023.

That was the 2nd grievance NP had against him in Sandy Hook pls v. Alex Jones case. The first one was re the forged AJ signature on an affidavit submitted to the court (forgery witnessed and signature attested to by NP). The New Haven Grievance Panel of the Bar found probable cause on 7/22/2019 re violations of several of the Rules of Professional Conduct. Hearing was held in Hartford on 10/2/19, but I couldn’t find any reports of it by either the Courant or the CT Law Trib—only a report months later when Statewide Grievance Cmte and Disciplinary Counsel declined to discipline (report in HC by DA, IIRC).

Also a while ago NP wrote in his column in the CT Law Trib about being prosecuted by the Federal Grievance Committee. Again, the federal judge let him go without a reprimand, though he confessed to all the charges.

Following articles are excerpted and the rest archived. (Law librarians might be able to access full articles and send copies)

“Commentary: Let My Experience Be A Wake-Up Call

By NORM PATTIS | Updated on November 13, 2006

I appeared before the federal grievance committee not long ago, and not as a litigant. A former client claimed inadequate communication.

Frankly, I found the experience a good one. The client challenged virtually every aspect of my representation, and it required me to review the entire file, from complaint, through summary judgment and as we approached trial. I was then forced to sit and review each and every decision I made. I also sought the opinions of experts.What I learned troubled me. I suspect it may well trouble the grievance committee, too. Whether I face discipline is an open question. For obvious reasons, I hope not. But I am an officer of the court, and if the general spanks, I get swatted. It is as simple as that…”

Commentary: Let My Experience Be A Wake-Up Call | Connecticut Law Tribune

By NORM PATTIS | Updated on May 26, 2008

The Eve Drain: Pitying Poor Adam

“Bill Prout is a nice enough guy. I met him when he prosecuted me on behalf of the federal grievance committee. He was gracious throughout the proceedings, even when he did not succeed in getting a pound of my flesh. He's a bar power player, too, sitting atop the Connecticut Bar Association. He's a hail fellow well met. But I sometimes wonder whether he sees the forest for the trees…”

The Eve Drain: Pitying Poor Adam | Connecticut Law Tribune

 

[LosAngeles]

That was the 2nd grievance NP had against him in Sandy Hook pls v. Alex Jones case. The first one was re the forged AJ signature on an affidavit submitted to the court (forgery witnessed and signature attested to by NP). The New Haven Grievance Panel of the Bar found probable cause on 7/22/2019 re violations of several of the Rules of Professional Conduct. Hearing was held in Hartford on 10/2/19, but I couldn’t find any reports of it by either the Courant or the CT Law Trib—only a report months later when Statewide Grievance Cmte and Disciplinary Counsel declined to discipline (report in HC by DA, IIRC).

Also a while ago NP wrote in his column in the CT Law Trib about being prosecuted by the Federal Grievance Committee. Again, the federal judge let him go without a reprimand, though he confessed to all the charges.

Following articles are excerpted and the rest archived. (Law librarians might be able to access full articles and send copies)

“Commentary: Let My Experience Be A Wake-Up Call

By NORM PATTIS | Updated on November 13, 2006

I appeared before the federal grievance committee not long ago, and not as a litigant. A former client claimed inadequate communication.

Frankly, I found the experience a good one. The client challenged virtually every aspect of my representation, and it required me to review the entire file, from complaint, through summary judgment and as we approached trial. I was then forced to sit and review each and every decision I made. I also sought the opinions of experts.What I learned troubled me. I suspect it may well trouble the grievance committee, too. Whether I face discipline is an open question. For obvious reasons, I hope not. But I am an officer of the court, and if the general spanks, I get swatted. It is as simple as that…”

Commentary: Let My Experience Be A Wake-Up Call | Connecticut Law Tribune

By NORM PATTIS | Updated on May 26, 2008

The Eve Drain: Pitying Poor Adam

“Bill Prout is a nice enough guy. I met him when he prosecuted me on behalf of the federal grievance committee. He was gracious throughout the proceedings, even when he did not succeed in getting a pound of my flesh. He's a bar power player, too, sitting atop the Connecticut Bar Association. He's a hail fellow well met. But I sometimes wonder whether he sees the forest for the trees…”

The Eve Drain: Pitying Poor Adam | Connecticut Law Tribune

I think he proudly calls himself the "Defender of the Despised." I guess someone has to step up? Anyhow, I'm thankful he's out of our orbit. JS isn't as colorful or not at all as crafty. A bit dim lit and pedantic (IMO). Hope the judge thinks about his senseless twists and turns this weekend and puts them to an end.

 

[afitzy]

That was the 2nd grievance NP had against him in Sandy Hook pls v. Alex Jones case. The first one was re the forged AJ signature on an affidavit submitted to the court (forgery witnessed and signature attested to by NP). The New Haven Grievance Panel of the Bar found probable cause on 7/22/2019 re violations of several of the Rules of Professional Conduct. Hearing was held in Hartford on 10/2/19, but I couldn’t find any reports of it by either the Courant or the CT Law Trib—only a report months later when Statewide Grievance Cmte and Disciplinary Counsel declined to discipline (report in HC by DA, IIRC).

Also a while ago NP wrote in his column in the CT Law Trib about being prosecuted by the Federal Grievance Committee. Again, the federal judge let him go without a reprimand, though he confessed to all the charges.

Following articles are excerpted and the rest archived. (Law librarians might be able to access full articles and send copies)

“Commentary: Let My Experience Be A Wake-Up Call

By NORM PATTIS | Updated on November 13, 2006

I appeared before the federal grievance committee not long ago, and not as a litigant. A former client claimed inadequate communication.

Frankly, I found the experience a good one. The client challenged virtually every aspect of my representation, and it required me to review the entire file, from complaint, through summary judgment and as we approached trial. I was then forced to sit and review each and every decision I made. I also sought the opinions of experts.What I learned troubled me. I suspect it may well trouble the grievance committee, too. Whether I face discipline is an open question. For obvious reasons, I hope not. But I am an officer of the court, and if the general spanks, I get swatted. It is as simple as that…”

Commentary: Let My Experience Be A Wake-Up Call | Connecticut Law Tribune

By NORM PATTIS | Updated on May 26, 2008

The Eve Drain: Pitying Poor Adam

“Bill Prout is a nice enough guy. I met him when he prosecuted me on behalf of the federal grievance committee. He was gracious throughout the proceedings, even when he did not succeed in getting a pound of my flesh. He's a bar power player, too, sitting atop the Connecticut Bar Association. He's a hail fellow well met. But I sometimes wonder whether he sees the forest for the trees…”

The Eve Drain: Pitying Poor Adam | Connecticut Law Tribune

Thanks for references and road map on this miscreant attorney. If I manage to pull full copies of any of the articles I will post back.
Focused on reading the ruling which I believe to be the final in the Jones case matter.

 

[shotgun09]

During Cross exam of the DNA witness yesterday, JS was allowed to ramble on with the hypothetical "Chocolate Easter Bunny" story. He was effectively allowed to take over the testimony, and in so doing created doubt regarding 'touch DNA', or transferred DNA.
JS was preemptively turning the positive DNA match to MT on the soon to be found trash bags into junk science. The judge, by allowing him to bloviate about facts not in evidence ( yet ) did a great disservice to the states case. For crying out loud, the judge even repeated the chocolate Easter Bunny hypothetical, while he schooled the jury and the court.

Questionable at best.
Judicial Misconduct at worst. IMO

 

[afitzy]

I think he proudly calls himself the "Defender of the Despised." I guess someone has to step up? Anyhow, I'm thankful he's out of our orbit. JS isn't as colorful or not at all as crafty. A bit dim lit and pedantic (IMO). Hope the judge thinks about his senseless twists and turns this weekend and puts them to an end.

I have no issue with his choice to defend the despised. Not one as it’s the US system. I do take issue with shortcuts, untruths and press statements widely broadcasted of known incorrect facts and twisted truths. The pure cynicism of Pattis imo is renowned and I don’t believe our system of justice needs his interpretation of defence work. IMO he is past his sell by date and ought to retire. He probably was counting on dulos book royalty income for retirement and I’m glad Gloria Farber took that off the table.

 

[afitzy]

During Cross exam of the DNA witness yesterday, JS was allowed to ramble on with the hypothetical "Chocolate Easter Bunny" story. He was effectively allowed to take over the testimony, and in so doing created doubt regarding 'touch DNA', or transferred DNA.
JS was preemptively turning the positive DNA match to MT on the soon to be found trash bags into junk science. The judge, by allowing him to bloviate about facts not in evidence ( yet ) did a great disservice to the states case. For crying out loud, the judge even repeated the chocolate Easter Bunny hypothetical, while he schooled the jury and the court.

Questionable at best.
Judicial Misconduct at worst. IMO

Feel your pain. Deeply. Bunny gate was the worst hypothetical on record but sadly I’m sure there will be worse dished up in the trial.

The only thing we can do is watch and report as citizen journalists and commentary this case has moved awareness of the facts of the matter further than the so called media.

Just call them like you see them and I have to agree that the Bunny nonsense should have been shut down promptly by the Judge and objected to by the State.

To see the Judge jump on the Bunny train of hypotheticals was disappointing and the Jury must have been thinking there was something to the nonsense. I think I counted nearly 10 mins in the Bunny saga without ONE question to the expert witness. If the state had simply popped in to put a pin in it by asking if there was a question in there somewhere it would have given a well deserved BS alert to the jury. I also question whether there would have been sufficient dna anywhere on the box for measurement of anything anywhere including the sample taken from the tap. Expert could have put a stake through the heart of the Bunny saga too but didn’t. It was a total shambles as you correctly point out.

I honestly wish we had street fighters on the states side as I’m not sure they realize the extent of what unchallenged BS is doing to their case. I understand choices to not engage but sometimes a full frontal attack is well called for and will put stop to the BS Bunny type nonsense imo!

PS
Will add hypothetical to the bingo cards as I’m sure there will me more.

 

[shotgun09]

Feel your pain.
The only thing we can do is watch and report as citizen journalist in this case has moved awareness of the facts of the matter further than the so called media.

Just call them like you see them and I have to agree that the Bunny nonsense should have been shut down promptly by the Judge and objected to by the State. To see the Judge jump on the Bunny train of hypotheticals was disappointing and the Jury must have been thinking there was something to the nonsense. I think I counted nearly 10 mins in the Bunny saga without ONE question to the expert witness. If the state had simply popped in to put a pin in it by asking if there was a question in there somewhere it would have given a well deserved BS alert to the jury.

I honestly wish we had street fighters on the states side as I’m not sure they realize the extent of what unchallenged BS is doing to their case. I understand choices to not engage but sometimes a full frontal attack is well called for and will put stop to the BS Bunny type nonsense imo!

I recall the state objecting just twice to the "Bunny".
Once, for relevance, and another for " Facts not in evidence".
The judge overuled one, but sustained the other, and therefore began his schooling and teaching to the jury. I watched the witness on the stand, she looked absolutely stunned that this was allowed and encouraged. It was sadly comical. IMO