Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #58

[afitzy]

Thank you LosAngeles!…… and if that be the case, and particularly in CT and this locale’s jurisdiction, I would say the judge is not exerting proper influence or control in his courtroom. This is unacceptable and action should be taken, poste-haste. Can some learned observers not question this judge?
One wonders if that was another reason a juror felt inclined to speak to a member of the prosecution staff? I am appalled!
I stated yesterday I think it was, that cameras in the courtroom may not be a good thing. MOO

Actually I very respectfully disagree with you on the cameras in courtroom issue. I strongly believe that cameras are shining a light on the process and proceeding in action and particularly in the Nutmeg State imo, can only have a good result for justice. If people don’t see what is going on there is no way things will ever change. My great regret is that there is no way to ever put cameras in family court in CT given the issues and minors but imo it is where they need to be!

The judge is now aware of the gum chewing and can choose to have a word with defense counsel about his client, or not. To the extent it doesn’t happen a message is being delivered to the public imo as to the possible state of order in the court.

My guess is that yesterday Judge Randolph had his hands full with the juror issue so addressing the gum issue slid. Now he knows about the gum and we can see if it stops. We can mark yesterday “gum day 1” and see how long the MT disregard for the rules continues. My guess is that we just will see “gum day 20” eventually as MT believes rules are for others!

 

[afitzy]

Court will adjourn at 3pm today (no reason given, but JS brought it up yesterday afternoon).

Snow and sleet supposedly starting in the area at 4pm est is my guess. Rush hr could be a mess so to keep everyone safe it’s a good idea!

 

[Deecur64]

Hey everyone! Thanks for all the coverage on this trial, you guys are the best! Someone here had mentioned that when LA had taken the stand she was asked to identify MT. Does anyone know if there is a video of that part on here or online somewhere? I’ve looked but couldn’t locate it. Thank you all!

It is all on You tube.

 

[afitzy]

Hey everyone! Thanks for all the coverage on this trial, you guys are the best! Someone here had mentioned that when LA had taken the stand she was asked to identify MT. Does anyone know if there is a video of that part on here or online somewhere? I’ve looked but couldn’t locate it. Thank you all!

NBC ct has a short segment of the Nanny testimony on their YouTube page to capture exactly what you are looking for. It’s a helpful place to go search out segments and not have to scroll a large video. The nbc ct homepage has a tab for all things dulos and Troconis that has video as well and ditto for fox 61 and I believe channel 8. Fox 61 and Channel 12 have similar resources that are quite helpful for replay and reference imo. Marisa alter from channel 12 has been on this case from the beginning and is live blogging which is a great way to get info and time stamps on particular events in the trial too.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Actually I very respectfully disagree with you on the cameras in courtroom issue. I strongly believe that cameras are shining a light on the process and proceeding in action and particularly in the Nutmeg State imo, can only have a good result for justice. If people don’t see what is going on there is no way things will ever change. My great regret is that there is no way to ever put cameras in family court in CT given the issues and minors but imo it is where they need to be!

The judge is now aware of the gum chewing and can choose to have a word with defense counsel about his client, or not. To the extent it doesn’t happen a message is being delivered to the public imo as to the possible state of order in the court.

My guess is that yesterday Judge Randolph had his hands full with the juror issue so addressing the gum issue slid. Now he knows about the gum and we can see if it stops. We can mark yesterday “gum day 1” and see how long the MT disregard for the rules continues. My guess is that we just will see “gum day 20” eventually as MT believes rules are for others!

Thank you and yes, we can certainly agree to disagree. Unfortunately though, there have been cases and trial proceedings in which a circus style atmosphere might be allowed to occur if not held in check. I hope that won’t be the case here. But from my perspective two incidents already call this into question IMO (gum chewing; juror speaking to prosecution team after apparent caution). And there has been much discussion about the apparent interpreter process and if that is distracting to jurors or others? Time will tell. And yes, there are assuredly advantages to being able to see a defendant, lawyer, and others demeanor, behavior, and appearance. I do not feel though, that anything should become theatre, spectacle, or distracting. And the judge needs run cadence and authority in a proper fashion. MOO.

 

[arielilane]

@cathyrusson
Remember this paper towel roll shown by the state with a pinkish color? Nanny testified the holder was empty the morning Jennifer went missing and she put a new roll on. That would have been long before police were there, so nanny was the last person and only person to presumably touch that roll? No testimony that the pink is blood...at this point.

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[Diddian]

The Court has asked the DNA scientist to slow down her speaking because there is a translator at work in this case.

So, multilingual Troconis - born in this country, living in this country for years, and whom the Dulos' nanny testified communicated in English without difficulty when she first met her at the Miami Waterski Club in March 2017 - claims now to have trouble understanding spoken English such that the state of CT pays for a translator (from English to Spanish).

And now witnesses must also participate in the charade by altering their own pace of delivery of testimony.

 

[afitzy]

Thank you and yes, we can certainly agree to disagree. Unfortunately though, there have been cases and trial proceedings in which a circus style atmosphere might be allowed to occur if not held in check. I hope that won’t be the case here. But from my perspective two incidents already call this into question IMO (gum chewing; juror speaking to prosecution team after apparent caution). And there has been much discussion about the apparent interpreter process and if that is distracting to jurors or others? Time will tell. And yes, there are assuredly advantages to being able to see a defendant, lawyer, and others demeanor, behavior, and appearance. I do not feel though, that anything should become theatre, spectacle, or distracting. And the judge needs run cadence and authority in a proper fashion. MOO.

Yes, totally agree that the risk of the circus like environment can always exist IF the case Judge isn't in charge and tightly managing the Courtroom. But I also think that having cameras puts Judges on notice that they will be watched and benefits outweighs the risks imo but clearly both sides of the camera issue can be argued quite persuasively as you do imo.

The OJ trial is oftentimes discussed in school as to Judge mismanagement and I'm sure many other cases sadly reach the circus stage possibly to the detriment of justice.

Another popular example where cameras had a positive impact I think could be the Depp v Heard case which was a worldwide media circus but the Judge controlled the in court situation admirably imo. Even the Murdaugh trial circus that has been going on for years in South Carolina I think benefited greatly from cameras as the trial took place in a state that has been characterised for its corruption and influence peddling for year imo.

 

[Curious-A]

NBC ct has a short segment of the Nanny testimony on their YouTube page to capture exactly what you are looking for. It’s a helpful place to go search out segments and not have to scroll a large video. The nbc ct homepage has a tab for all things dulos and Troconis that has video as well and ditto for fox 61 and I believe channel 8. Fox 61 and Channel 12 have similar resources that are quite helpful for replay and reference imo. Marisa alter from channel 12 has been on this case from the beginning and is live blogging which is a great way to get info and time stamps on particular events in the trial too.

Thanks so much @afitzy!!! Will go look at all of those sources!

 

[flowermama]

Omg JS is going on and on and on … and on….


(Oh I said this as I thought I was watching live but it might have been from yesterday… but geez, he was going on and on about dna stuff and it was just tooooooo much)

 

[Diddian]

The Court has asked the DNA scientist to slow down her speaking because there is a translator at work in this case.

So, multilingual Troconis - born in this country, living in this country for years, and whom the Dulos' nanny testified communicated in English without difficulty when she first met her at the Miami Waterski Club in March 2017 - claims now to have trouble understanding spoken English such that the state of CT pays for a translator (from English to Spanish).

And now witnesses must also participate in the charade by altering their own pace of delivery of testimony.

Replying to my own post to add the note it appears to me that the DNA scientist, Ms. Madel, speaks at a much faster pace than did the detectives who interviewed MT multiple times.

 

[shotgun09]

While we wait for morning break ( after just one hour of testimony ) I would like to comment on the dryness and repetitiveness of this witness. I have watched many trials, and sat through listening to DNA analysis. Inevitably though, other experts have come to the terms of "matching". This witness, however has been instructed ( STIPULATION ) ( Thanks to JS ) NOT to use simple terms, and makes her testimony seem dry and monotonous. This is all due to JS, and his many many motions and objections. Hopefully, the state can recover through this clear as mudd testimony.

MOO

 

[Curious-A]

Thanks so much @afitzy!!! Will go look at all of those sources!

Found it! Thanks again! That look and the quick palm up half pointing with disgust seemed as if LA was saying that the defendant is not worthy of her gaze or acknowledgement. Which she is not. Imo LA seemed repulsed, as we all are, by the mere sight of MT

 

[Niner]

Day 5 - I will be using this article as my reference in my notes...

https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-dulos-day-5-live-updates-18614408.php

 

[BUF]

Court is live

 

[nodamselindistress]

Close up of Michi just now, still chomping on the gum

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Please let us know when she wipes the spent piece on the floor. MOO

 

[afitzy]

While we wait for morning break ( after just one hour of testimony ) I would like to comment on the dryness and repetitiveness of this witness. I have watched many trials, and sat through listening to DNA analysis. Inevitably though, other experts have come to the terms of "matching". This witness, however has been instructed ( STIPULATION ) ( Thanks to JS ) NOT to use simple terms, and makes her testimony seem dry and monotonous. This is all due to JS, and his many many motions and objections. Hopefully, the state can recover through this clear as mudd testimony.

MOO

Prosecution has a tough 'row to hoe' imo with this particular Defence Counsel and so are walking tightrope to keep the process moving while still ensuring justice and minimising risk of any appeal. Very tough process call by the State and imo could be debated until the 'cows come home' by experts in the legal field with no doubt. We as watchers I think just have to trust the judgement of the State and hope that the jurors are hanging in there with the verbiage and explanations of the expert and grasp the details of this admittedly complex topic.

 

[afitzy]

Close up of Michi just now, still chomping on the gum

MT Gum Day 2 for the record Your Honour! Waiting for it to be picked up by the audio feed and prove to be a distraction to the Jurors who I believe are seated right behind her! Hello Judge Randolph.

 

[Megnut]

An old thought struck me:

The canine that tracked.... is it possible that FD or an accomplice cut through Waveny with that last bag of trash that eventually leaked onto the Tacoma seat? Would a dog alert to that?

That transfer would have had to happen away from the flow of traffic -- have always wondered how he got himself from the Suburban to the Tacoma with the things he later dumpstered.

Perhaps a dog sniffed that path in part.

JMO