Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #58

[Diddian]

Someone added rubber gloves to the scene....

I wonder if FD purchased new cycling gloves as part of his uniform that morning. Possible that the unknown contributors to some of the samples came from a cashier who handled those gloves somewhere along the way...

I think it's safe to say that FD took basic measures to limit transfer.

JMO

Curious what you mean when you write "someone added rubber gloves to the scene..."

Do you mean the gloves FD wore or that someone took some from JFD's home to use?

I ask because the diamond-like pattern appearing on some of the imprints found and recorded by LE look a lot like that pattern used on Playtex gloves (for dishwashing). Although it is also possible that other glove makers use that pattern.

 

[Alkali13]

Curious what you mean when you write "someone added rubber gloves to the scene..."

Do you mean the gloves FD wore or that someone took some from JFD's home to use?

I ask because the diamond-like pattern appearing on some of the imprints found and recorded by LE look a lot like that pattern used on Playtex gloves (for dishwashing). Although it is also possible that other glove makers use that pattern.

This. I was just checking, and some Husky gloves are textured VERY similarly, and a pair of Husky gloves was found with the Albany Ave evidence containing FD's DNA.

 

[afitzy]

An old thought struck me:

The canine that tracked.... is it possible that FD or an accomplice cut through Waveny with that last bag of trash that eventually leaked onto the Tacoma seat? Would a dog alert to that?

That transfer would have had to happen away from the flow of traffic -- have always wondered how he got himself from the Suburban to the Tacoma with the things he later dumpstered.

Perhaps a dog sniffed that path in part.

JMO

JS made a big deal of the elevation shift on the southbound Merritt as you head from Lapham Rd in a northerly direction toward South Ave. There must have been a reason for this.

But, just thinking about it, if the Red Truck were parked along the Southbound Merritt stretch I'm not sure whether bags couldn't be tossed from the pathway to the Merritt even with elevation in some portions. Obviously if you are carrying something heavy then heading towards South Ave might make sense. The other issue is that the Waveny path isn't exactly straight so some portions are closer to the Merritt imo than other portions. Would have to do a Google Maps walk to see what things looked like vs where the dog alerted. Its an interesting question. IIRC Law Enforcement spent alot of time combing one of the embankment areas that was quite steep between the Southbound Merritt and Waveny which I believe was closer to Lapham than South Ave to the Northern border of the park.

 

[afitzy]

Can her name be said in court, or must it be "she who will not be named?"

If there is a hell and it is a consequence of choices while living, JAS will be wearing heavy ankle, wrist, and waist weights to navigate it.

And be headless....its all simply shameful. What was the Judge thinking....

 

[Megnut]

Curious what you mean when you write "someone added rubber gloves to the scene..."

Do you mean the gloves FD wore or that someone took some from JFD's home to use?

I ask because the diamond-like pattern appearing on some of the imprints found and recorded by LE look a lot like that pattern used on Playtex gloves (for dishwashing). Although it is also possible that other glove makers use that pattern.

By "someone" I meant FD. Literary license but I only made it confusing! Sorry.

I suspect his own gloves were bloody, he removed them, entered the home because he needed rags, paper or otherwise. Switched to rubber gloves he found under the sink, as in grabbed one pair, left a second pair which were later photographed in place.

Then grabbed paper towels from the pantry. Why he left two behind? Weird. You'd think he would have grabbed the entire package.... oh, but I'm assuming LA had put an intact package in the pantry. She may have unpackaged them...

Probably tried to use paper towels at the sink to turn it on and off... but failed to prevent transfer.

I continue to think that FD left JFd's blood on the paper towel roll while it was sitting in the pantry and that LA later moved it to the kitchen.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

This. I was just checking, and some Husky gloves are textured VERY similarly, and a pair of Husky gloves was found with the Albany Ave evidence containing FD's DNA.

Thank you. Cannot wait to see those gloves when they are introduced into evidence along with other items recovered from Albany Ave.

Interesting to me that MOST of the evidence recovered from Albany Ave shown in the table that appears on the Arrest Affidavit is from that single bag recovered from near intersection of Albany Ave/Green St. As I recall, surveillance showed one bag in the rear of the truck before that drop off and no bags after, so everything recovered from that bin is in that single bag. So it is a black garbage bag CONTAINING several torn open, previously taped garbage bags as well as items of JFD's clothing, the zip ties, and some cleanup items.

IMO, that implies that this single garbage bag was utilized to place items into as JFD was unwrapped and unclothed - the zip ties that bound her, the pair of plastic bags that had been taped together (presumably to make one larger bag, essentially a "body bag"), and items that had clothed her upper body that day. This implies to me a "secondary scene" - and I find it interesting that MT's DNA appears on a bag contained inside the one found on Albany Ave as it implies she was there for the unwrapping OR she handled those items removed during the unwrapping.

 

[afitzy]

Interesting that he's not being mentioned at all at this point... Obviously, he wasn't charged with anything or really on the radar until much later, and it appears they're really presenting all of this in a narrative form from beginning to end, but I also didn't think PG was tested until much later (although perhaps they tested him when he came forward shortly thereafter about the cleaning of his truck and the replacement seat iirc).

I do think he is very much the 'star player to be named later' and just might get his own segment of State Presentation. There was a reason (I HOPE) for him getting immunity agreement as perhaps he, along with KM, will put a bow on the case? Curious how it plays out as we know PG has an immunity agreement but no such agreement exists with KM as far as we know. Perhaps State doesn't think they need KM?

 

[afitzy]

Thank you. Cannot wait to see those gloves when they are introduced into evidence along with other items recovered from Albany Ave.

Interesting to me that MOST of the evidence recovered from Albany Ave shown in the table that appears on the Arrest Affidavit is from that single bag recovered from near intersection of Albany Ave/Green St. As I recall, surveillance showed one bag in the rear of the truck before that drop off and no bags after, so everything recovered from that bin is in that single bag. So it is a black garbage bag CONTAINING several torn open, previously taped garbage bags as well as items of JFD's clothing, the zip ties, and some cleanup items.

IMO, that implies that this single garbage bag was utilized to place items into as JFD was unwrapped and unclothed - the zip ties that bound her, the pair of plastic bags that had been taped together (presumably to make one larger bag, essentially a "body bag"), and items that had clothed her upper body that day. This implies to me a "secondary scene" - and I find it interesting that MT's DNA appears on a bag contained inside the one found on Albany Ave as it implies she was there for the unwrapping OR she handled those items removed during the unwrapping.

Still puzzling if 80MS was the secondary scene or whether there was another place that LE never found? Based on MT knife skills (documented on social media ages ago but now scrubbed) I truly believe she played a role in that aspect of this horrific portion of the murder.

Was 80MS simply the final clean up location after the trio of conspirators had gone to another location? Could the secondary location have been the back of PG truck in a remote location or another of the Fore Group vacant properties?

 

[Megnut]

If FD met up with KM for any sort of exchange, we don't know where that point was. Or what was and wasn't exchanged.

Once FT parked the Suburban, assuming he was the driver next of the Tacoma, he may have parked, entered into the trees and emerged again at the Tacoma, rendering him and anything he may have been carrying at that point, relatively hidden and invisible.

The defense will likely try to argue about how well traveled that road is.... yes, yes it might have been. If FD took measures not to be seen, it's a nonstarter. Especially if he handed off the most damning evidence (a body) prior to reaching Waveny.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

By "someone" I meant FD. Literary license but I only made it confusing! Sorry.

I suspect his own gloves were bloody, he removed them, entered the home because he needed rags, paper or otherwise. Switched to rubber gloves he found under the sink, as in grabbed one pair, left a second pair which were later photographed in place.

Everywhere grabbed paper towels from the pantry. Why he left two behind? Weird. You'd think he would have grabbed the entire package.... oh, but I'm assuming LA had put an intact package in the pantry. She may have unpackaged them...

Probably tried to use paper towels at the sink to turn it on and off... but failed to prevent transfer.

I continue to think that FD left JFd's blood on the paper towel roll while it was sitting in the pantry and that LA later moved it to the kitchen.

JMO

Okay, thanks. Now I understand.

As I recall from her testimony, LA brought the 12-pack of paper towels up from the basement, removed the individual rolls from their "bulk wrapping" and placed them on the pantry shelves.

My guess is that FD had never intended to enter the house as he planned to disable and remove JFD from the scene so that any blood loss would occur elsewhere. But JFD defended herself and put up a struggle. So, he had to enter to get items for cleanup (the paper towels). So, he was going "off script" at that point and as a result made mistakes, including leaving his DNA at the sink.

We don't know and I don't recall LA testifying the details about it, but I also think it likely that the paper towel roll seen alternately on the dispenser (in early crime scene photos) and off the dispenser (in later crime scene photos) was taken by LA from the pantry when she arrived to feed the kids lunch.

FD may have transferred JFD's blood to the interior tube of that roll as it sat on the pantry shelf OR blood may have transferred to the interior tube of that roll when LA put it on the dispenser (meaning FD may have transferred the blood to the dispenser and it was later transferred to the roll when placed on the dispenser).

 

[Alkali13]

I do think he is very much the 'star player to be named later' and just might get his own segment of State Presentation. There was a reason (I HOPE) for him getting immunity agreement as perhaps he, along with KM, will put a bow on the case? Curious how it plays out as we know PG has an immunity agreement but no such agreement exists with KM as far as we know. Perhaps State doesn't think they need KM?

From the below article:

"Kent Mawhinney, a longtime friend and former attorney for Fotis Dulos, also has pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to commit murder and the prosecution has said he may testify against Troconis."

https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-dulos-day-5-live-updates-18614408.php

 

[afitzy]

If FD met up with KM for any sort of exchange, we don't know where that point was. Or what was and wasn't exchanged.

Once FT parked the Suburban, assuming he was the driver next of the Tacoma, he may have parked, entered into the trees and emerged again at the Tacoma, rendering him and anything he may have been carrying at that point, relatively hidden and invisible.

The defense will likely try to argue about how well traveled that road is.... yes, yes it might have been. If FD took measures not to be seen, it's a nonstarter. Especially if he handed off the most damning evidence (a body) prior to reaching Waveny.

JMO

I'm wondering if perhaps more camera footage exists than we have seen so far at trial and perhaps this is what was the nail in the coffin for KM being charged fully with conspiracy? As we've discussed so far the KM AA from a visuals standpoint when compared to the AAs of MT and FD was a nothing burger and I just wonder if this was totally by design and absolutely saved for trial or negotiation of some plea deal. Just pure speculation but something must be there imo on this issue to remove doubt.

 

[afitzy]

From the below article:

"Kent Mawhinney, a longtime friend and former attorney for Fotis Dulos, also has pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to commit murder and the prosecution has said he may testify against Troconis."

https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/michelle-troconis-trial-dulos-day-5-live-updates-18614408.php

Yes, this will be interesting and 'MAY TESTIFY seems to be the operative words in your quote! But KM doesn't have deal that we are aware of yet, but perhaps its being negotiated as we speak. Could also just be some kind of deal to make a sentencing statement by the State. Just don't know. KM was fully charged imo and it wasn't clearly explained in his AA which always had me scratching my head as to why.

 

[Alkali13]

Not to be morbid amidst the morbid case that's been presented thus far, but what are the opinions on the blood patterns/spatter on scene? What was the weapon (as yet to ever be found that we know of).

 

[BUF]

Can someone please tell me why PG would even need immunity?
TIA

 

[Alkali13]

I'm wondering if perhaps more camera footage exists than we have seen so far at trial and perhaps this is what was the nail in the coffin for KM being charged fully with conspiracy? As we've discussed so far the KM AA from a visuals standpoint when compared to the AAs of MT and FD was a nothing burger and I just wonder if this was totally by design and absolutely saved for trial or negotiation of some plea deal. Just pure speculation but something must be there imo on this issue to remove doubt.

If they suspected they could flip him, I wouldn't be surprised if they held a lot back... They only need enough to prove the basis for the charges in the AW I believe.

 

[Alkali13]

Can someone please tell me why PG would even need immunity?
TIA

He doesn't. I believe if someone misspoke they were referring to him being eliminated as being at the scene based on DNA evidence.

 

[Alkali13]

Because I needed to refresh my own memory, JFD's Suburban is seen leaving Welles at 10:25 AM, then the red Tacoma is seen northbound on the Merritt near the rest stop in New Canaan at 11:12 AM. This is hypothetically a ten minute drive plus the time to switch vehicles, yet we have a 47 minute gap between the two.

 

[BUF]

He doesn't. I believe if someone misspoke they were referring to him being eliminated as being at the scene based on DNA evidence.

Thanks. Just found this…goes back to Colangelo….

Supervisory Assistant State's Attorney Michelle Manning said during the hearing the prosecution plans to call Gumienny to testify. She said the offer of immunity was "recently known to us." Manning said the prosecution has interviewed Gumienny's attorney and Colangelo about what exactly was said during the conversation.

She said Gumienny was not considered a co-conspirator, but "it was more with respect to his own potential culpability," that he was granted immunity.

Worker whose truck allegedly used in Jennifer Dulos disappearance granted immunity, attorneys say

Pawel Gumienny, whose truck police say was used in the Jennifer Dulos disappearance, was...

www.stamfordadvocate.com

 

[afitzy]

Can someone please tell me why PG would even need immunity?
TIA

Will post some articles later on the issue but his atty said he didn’t need one but the State provided one in any event to ensure his testimony in the trial. It seemed clear that PG wasn’t one of the conspirators as his alibi and timeline was fully investigated by the state but simply by virtue of his truck being used by the conspirators he could be perceived to be part of murder even if he wasn’t. I think the state wanted to take PG off the table as a target to argue doubt related issues. If you recall at the time this issue of PG being the owner of the truck played out that Atty Pattis effectively blanked the airwaves pointing the finger at PG which was what Fd wanted as part of his plan. Law enforcement investigated and put a pin in the Pattis public witch hunt of an innocent man. Per usual the Pattis behaviour was reprehensible and my guess is state went over and above to protect an innocent party in a murder case.

This is all pure speculation on my part but we should eventually hear at trial how this all played out.

It imo was reprehensible the way Pattis went after PG in the press to the point that a working person of limited means had to get an atty (a good one imo too who might have even done pro bono at some point to protect him) to protect him. Can you imagine being innocent and having the full force of law enforcement descend on you? Attys in CT are expensive as we Js claiming to bill $600/hr (doubtful imo) but how can working person such as PW afford representation for a situation where he did nothing wrong? I’m glad he got counsel as his situation could have been horrific and I do think he and his counsel are “hero’s” in this case.