Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #58

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  • #261
Because I needed to refresh my own memory, JFD's Suburban is seen leaving Welles at 10:25 AM, then the red Tacoma is seen northbound on the Merritt near the rest stop in New Canaan at 11:12 AM. This is hypothetically a ten minute drive plus the time to switch vehicles, yet we have a 47 minute gap between the two.
Yes, that is the missing 47 mins that we have been puzzling over for years as has law enforcement! I’m hoping the timeline is filled in with HD video, bus cam footage and eyewitness accounts etc.
 
  • #262
Can someone please tell me why PG would even need immunity?
TIA

Thanks. Just found this…goes back to Colangelo….

Supervisory Assistant State's Attorney Michelle Manning said during the hearing the prosecution plans to call Gumienny to testify. She said the offer of immunity was "recently known to us." Manning said the prosecution has interviewed Gumienny's attorney and Colangelo about what exactly was said during the conversation.

She said Gumienny was not considered a co-conspirator, but "it was more with respect to his own potential culpability," that he was granted immunity.

He may have legal vulnerabilities related to working for FD.

JMO
 
  • #263
LMAO - Judge is admonishing JS for trying to tell the expert DNA witness what he wants her to say!!
 
  • #264
Yes, that is the missing 47 mins that we have been puzzling over for years as has law enforcement! I’m hoping the timeline is filled in with HD video, bus cam footage and eyewitness accounts etc.
New Canaan is affluent enough that there must be ring cameras and surveillance all over, not to mention the bus cams we already have. I'm just so curious (as are we all) of where they could've gone secluded enough that no one saw a body being moved between vehicles.
 
  • #265
Once again, JS is talking like DNA is junk science and using convoluted language to confuse the jury... I get what he is trying to do, but I agree with the judge that the jury is likely more intelligent and able to follow than JS is giving them credit for.
 
  • #266
My MOO MOO MOO

JS's fallacious reasoning is hurting my soul.

We're off in the cheeseburgers again.

Is there ANY evidence there were radishes or turnips all over JFs's garage?

There was reason to believe there was blood there based on appearances, it was tested which gave further verification that it would well be blood....

He is noisy.

That is all.

JMO
 
  • #267
New Canaan is affluent enough that there must be ring cameras and surveillance all over, not to mention the bus cams we already have. I'm just so curious (as are we all) of where they could've gone secluded enough that no one saw a body being moved between vehicles.
IF JFD was bagged (two bags taped together implies kind of a "body bag" formed from two bags) and bound with zip ties (and perhaps even rolled into a flexible rubber cargo liner), the transfer of her immobile body could look like a rolled-up rug or carpet being transferred from one vehicle to another by an observer who happens to pass by.
 
  • #268
My MOO MOO MOO

JS's fallacious reasoning is hurting my soul.

We're off in the cheeseburgers again.

Is there ANY evidence there were radishes or turnips all over JFs's garage?

There was reason to believe there was blood there based on appearances, it was tested which gave further verification that it would well be blood....

He is noisy.

That is all.

JMO
YES! But his style plays no doubt with some jurors but I truly don't think it plays well in Fairfield Country where the jurors were reported to be laughing at him the other day!

BTW I'll take your double cheeseburger and raise you 10 radishes that the jurors see through the smoke being blown by JS!

Going after DNA analysis and blood work in the way that JS is doing imo won't be effective with an educated and thoughtful jury imo. Sadly I don't think we have too much info on the jurors but my guess is we have a street smart bunch with smarts.

JS has little to no familiarity with Fairfield County (part of reason he went after Atty Bowman) or its Courts imo as his practice is focused on upstate/Hartford region and this imo was one reason why he fought so hard to have this case returned to Hartford (he would be on home turf with Judges he knows, would have lowered costs to his client and family as well but would have also imo potentially given him a very different jury pool which is what he wanted). JS imo didn't want a Fairfield County jury or Judges. His efforts to move the case failed and so here we all are listening to JS blow smoke at people that should be educated enough to see their way through the smoke and put on their masks if it gets too painful to breathe imo!
 
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  • #269
IF JFD was bagged (two bags taped together implies kind of a "body bag" formed from two bags) and bound with zip ties (and perhaps even rolled into a flexible rubber cargo liner), the transfer of her immobile body could look like a rolled-up rug or carpet being transferred from one vehicle to another by an observer who happens to pass by.
MOO

While JS pounds table, it's good to revisit these earlier questions of ours.

I believe the evidence indicates the zip ties were positioned directly on her body. But yes, at some point, it seems her body may have been transferred inside a makeshift, spliced trash bag bodybag.

Two black Suburbs parked close together could make that transfer quite tidy. Introduce a Thule and it's rather self-contained to boot.

It would seem that FD drove the Tacoma to 80MS. We don't know how JFd's body got there.

JMO
 
  • #270
MOO

While JS pounds table, it's good to revisit these earlier questions of ours.

I believe the evidence indicates the zip ties were positioned directly on her body. But yes, at some point, it seems her body may have been transferred inside a makeshift, spliced trash bag bodybag.

Two black Suburbs parked close together could make that transfer quite tidy. Introduce a Thule and it's rather self-contained to boot.

It would seem that FD drove the Tacoma to 80MS. We don't know how JFd's body got there.

JMO
I don't assume that FD drove the Tacoma to 80 MS, as I believe that KM did so. And that once he arrived at 80 MS Rd, he departed there in his own vehicle (left there the evening before) and with his own phone (delivered to 80 MS Rd by MT sometime between 9 am and 11 am, after using it to give the impression KM was at 4JC for a morning meeting with FD).

IMO, KM was the conspirator assigned choreography of vehicles between New Canaan and Farmington (driving FD's Chevy Suburban from Farmington to New Canaan either the evening of 5/23 or early morning 5/24 and driving the Toyota Tacoma from New Canaan back to Farmington the afternoon of 5/24), while MT was the conspirator assigned choreography of phones at Farmington (to give the impression that FD and KM were there the morning of 5/24).

Edited to add:
IF you assume that FD drove the Toyota Tacoma back to Farmington, then WHEN do you assume KM gained repossession of his phone after MT used it that morning? Remember that he had it to receive a phone call from FD at the conclusion of the Albany Ave run.

Also, note that FD and MT arrive in tandem (her in white Jeep, him following behind in his own Suburban) at 80 MS Rd at 1:36 pm. At 1:37 pm, FD activates his phone. At 2:13 pm, he texts PG to ask when PG will be returning to the Farmington area at the end of the workday.

I think MT delivered both KM's and FD's phones (turned off) to 80 MS Rd sometime before 11 am. That is why FD's phone activates at 1:37 pm. And I think that upon arrival at 80 MS Rd, FD and MT got a good look at the inside of the Toyota Tacoma and realized they had a problem from the garbage bags full of bloody paper towels spilling blood onto the Tacoma's upholstery. So, FD texted PG to see how long they'd have to get it cleaned up before PG showed up.
 
  • #271
3 pm jury is excused.

Possible weather delay for tomorrow.
 
  • #272
New Canaan is affluent enough that there must be ring cameras and surveillance all over, not to mention the bus cams we already have. I'm just so curious (as are we all) of where they could've gone secluded enough that no one saw a body being moved between vehicles.
There are back road areas where no traffic comes for hours if at all during the day. Having 40+ min is a good amount time if the right spot were found close by imo. The area around NCCS/Welles has some very narrow back roads with little to no traffic. Activity generally increases as you move closer to downtown NC, the schools (South Ave area) and eventually the Merritt.

FD was very familiar with coming the back roads down from Farmington to NC via Westchester County. Those areas imo have even less traffic in parts than NC. Then FD also had familiarity with Westchester County, Pound Ridge in particular where the Farbers previously had a country house (sold) where he and JF used to go on weekends sometimes.

My point is that FD had years of driving around and no doubt had a remote place in mind for this murder. LE so far as I recall searched Pound Ridge house (I think there was a pond on the property) of the Farbers and also some border areas between CT and NY and found nothing. Gary Hughes Investigates did a good video long ago on his speculation as to where FD/KM might have gone near Welles given the available time.

The other speculation long ago was that the VICTIM was wrapped in plastic as other posts here have described and was taken instead to Long Island Sound using a boat. This to me was always tricky as congestion on the Sound is real even during the week and boat yards, marinas and launching ramps typically have foot traffic so I'm not sure this was what happened. Also, the tidal flows of the Sound are such that its frankly difficult to sink a body and not have it return at some point (this point was discussed extensively in a much earlier thread when this possibility was being explored). These boat and marina areas most likely have cameras too but I don't think water could be dismissed apart from Long Island Sound as there are many reservoirs in the area of New Canaan, Wilton and Norwalk to say nothing of a huge reservoir in Westchester County that could be reached in the about of unaccounted for timeline imo. If you pull up a map of Fairfield and Westchester Counties you will see many ponds, lakes and reservoirs that might have been used.
 
  • #273
JS estimates only 15-20 minutes more on his cross of the DNA expert witness. I have totally tuned him out for the past 1/2 hour.
 
  • #274
3 pm jury is excused.

Possible weather delay for tomorrow.
And defense asked for a 10:15 start for tomorrow, which was granted. I wonder why they begin at 10:00 a.m. everyday (vs. 9:00 a.m.)? Hmmm...
 
  • #275
Mercy, but that was tough to listen to !
JS, and his droning/bloviating way (IMO) was way over the top.
I have a neighbor who sounds very similar to JS, and has the know-it-all/ I know more than you / in your face attitude. It's obnoxious. I wonder if the jury feels the same.

Saw this today ( somewhere)
JS has a 'Pico-brain'

:cool:
 
  • #276
And defense asked for a 10:15 start for tomorrow, which was granted. I wonder why they begin at 10:00 a.m. everyday (vs. 9:00 a.m.)? Hmmm...
This court averages a little over 4 hours of testimony per day - with all the JS hot air and other issues. Originally I thought "NO WAY" it will take until March 2024 to try the entire case. Now I think "NO WAY" will be they finished by March.
 
  • #277
And for a refresher, evidence found in the bags recovered from Albany Ave area.
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MOO, but we've got the paper towels, sponge from the cleaning supplies, and gloves (wondering if those Husky gloves have a similar texture to dishwashing gloves).
We also have MT IN HOME DEPOT PURCHASING SUPPLIES!
 
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This court averages a little over 4 hours of testimony per day - with all the JS hot air and other issues. Originally I thought "NO WAY" it will take until March 2024 to try the entire case. Now I think "NO WAY" will be they finished by March.
Nope, unless pace changes it will be well in April/June imo. We don't know if Defence will offer experts which would delay things potentially as well. Wonder if they had the budget for experts and other third parties. We will see. Timing is problematic as jurors will start getting antsy and potentially angry imo about delays imposed over inconsequential matters. IDK why Court doesn't start earlier or go later but perhaps childcare and family issues are at hand. But, 4 hrs of testimony isn't much given all that has to be presented.

We have never heard from JF private investigator other than in Family Court. I have to admit to being quite curious!
Buckle up!
 
  • #280
Once again, JS is talking like DNA is junk science and using convoluted language to confuse the jury... I get what he is trying to do, but I agree with the judge that the jury is likely more intelligent and able to follow than JS is giving them credit for.
Everyone knows someone who has done a DNA genealogy kit, read about finding birth parent, nearly everyone has seen a true crime solved with small sample of DNA. He must know by know this witness is knowledgeable and calm, not making mistakes.
This guy just grasping because he has a whole lot of not much. Or, he’s paid by the hour and has a big mortgage to pay.
 
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