Identified! CT - Stonington (Ledyard), WhtFem UP8909, 18-30, JNHS 1917 Class Ring, Lady Clairol hair roller set, May'74 - Linda Sue Childers

[Odyssey]

GLCarmichael was born Aug 3 1946 in Atlanta, GA (gleaned from his FBI "Wanted" poster)

respectfully snipped.

This also supports the possibility of Gloria Baird. She was last known to be in Atlanta... although I can't decide if I see a resemblance or not...

 

[hopeandglory]

I just read up on this thread and this JD, and these are my :twocents:

The ring probably has no personal ties to JD and will not help identifying her.

^ I still want to know where the damn ring is from! :scared: This is just one of those things you're going to research obsessively until your fingers bleed :floorlaugh:

I really think it's a class ring, and not a personally engraved (wedding) ring or anything like that. The issue is just finding a high school (or other school) with the correct initials, that was either founded in 1917 or had a class graduating that year.

Re: the ILN letters: I googled to see if it might be the initials for a greek letter fraternity, but came up empty. Iota Lambda Nu doesn't give any results, but there seems to be a chapter called Iota Lambda at the Jacksonville State University, which was interesting for about a hot second because of Jacksonville, but that didn't lead anywhere.

If only they could get a picture of the ring out there, to see if anybody recognizes it... Are there alumni boards where the picture could be posted?

 

[hopeandglory]

Another thought (sorry for double posting); are there any famous/historical Americans with the initials J.N? It could be a HS (if it is a HS) named after a person, just like there are a ton of John F. Kennedy HS across the nation.

Also, as was mentioned in the first few pages re: John Hopkins, could it be as simple as that? I know there was no one with the initials ILN but ILN might not even be initials. Considering the area where JD was found, it really could be JH Nursing School. Although they don't seem to be using those initials, hrm...

And a last thought, how sure are we that the letters specified to be on the ring are correct? From the pictures alone it looks like it'd be hard to tell - maybe they made a mistake?

 

[alliemay]

At the time, it might have helped putting an ad in the local papers of the areas where Carmichael was know to have been. Just a picture of the ring maybe, not even a picture of the victim. Maybe it would have sparked a memory in someone of owning it and having it stolen?

 

[Cherry]

she had curlers in her hair? Then she must have gone missing from inside her home.

 

[FiveFelines]

she had curlers in her hair? Then she must have gone missing from inside her home.

I thought she had the curlers with her in a Miss Clairol case. That makes sense to me, since she had been staying with DeFreitas and his girlfriend at one point.

 

[FiveFelines]

In other words, DeFreitas murdered her and Carmichael, buried them behind his house, and probably threw whatever belongings she had left behind back there, too.

 

[alliemay]

Yes that is right. I had wondered why they did not do a sketch of her thought with curly hair along with the picture of one with straight hair.

 

[FiveFelines]

Yes that is right. I had wondered why they did not do a sketch of her thought with curly hair along with the picture of one with straight hair.

Agreed. Especially since the sketch is based on the witnesses' description, right? You'd think if she went through the trouble of carrying around the curler case that she would have had curly hair at least a few times when they saw her.

I grew up in CT and had never heard of this case. It would be great to give her back her name.

 

[Cherry]

Just doing a bit of research on the ring and her...what if they are off by 20 yrs on the skull and she had taken great care of herself? I'm looking at the case of Connie Converse.
http://www.theawl.com/2010/08/the-story-of-connie-converse
Right style of hair; right color, has eye glasses on; was a musician; packed up a VW beetle and was never heard from or seen again.

from WIKI:
By 1973, Connie was burnt out and depressed. Her colleagues and friends pooled their money to finance a six-months' trip to England for her. The journal, which meant so much to her, had left Michigan for Yale at the end of 1972, after being "auctioned off" without her knowledge. She was facing the need for major surgery.[1]
In August 1974, she wrote a series of letters to her family and friends, talking about her intention to make a new life somewhere else. By the time the letters were delivered, she had packed her belongings in her Volkswagen Beetle and driven away, never to be heard from again.[1]

Connie Converse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sleuthster]

There where 2 convicted in their murders Donald Brandt and Richard Defreitas. Interestingly, Donald Brandt escaped from jail in 1977 when he was transfered to Burlington VT in regards to an appeal on a prev conviction for bank robbery in VT. He also served time in Atlanta on federal bank robbery charges that occurred in PA. http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...YqorAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Mv0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=4625,939880

 

[4SAM]

OK, this may have been done, but you guys came up with a lot of school names and places that still exist today in regards to the ring. Has anyone made contact with the school to see if they recognize it, or see if there was any old pictures that might have students wearing their class rings? Also, the telephone numbers to the agents in TN. Would they still have log books from who called on certain days?

 

[FiveFelines]

I've been doing some research on the phone #s. I believe someone mentioned this earlier, but do we know how these are her phone records and her relation to CM Fox, Jr? I've googled him; if I have the right one (and I think I do), he would have been about 28 in 1970. He lived in TN at some point, FWIW, and is still living.

 

[FiveFelines]

So CM Fox Jr (and his extended family) lived in West VA for many years. Some of the articles say our UID could have relatives in that area....

 

[Kimster]

:rose: Our featured cold case from 12/22/2013 to 12/29/2013 :rose:

 

[fred&edna]

OK, this may have been done, but you guys came up with a lot of school names and places that still exist today in regards to the ring. Has anyone made contact with the school to see if they recognize it, or see if there was any old pictures that might have students wearing their class rings? Also, the telephone numbers to the agents in TN. Would they still have log books from who called on certain days?

Good questions. And, I've been wondering if a Nashville news reporter (as we found 2 Nashville talent agency phone numbers) would possibly be interested in this mystery?

And, on a different note... I think there were/are several North Junior High Schools in the US. There's one in particular located in Niagara Falls, NY but I haven't been able to determine when it was established.

 

[zwiebel]

Didn't the US enter the Great War in 1917? I'm just wondering if this could have been a man's military ring?

 

[zwiebel]

I don't think it was a military ring, after some checking. By WW1, dogs tags were in use so wouldn't have been for identification. Fingers rings for troops seem to be pretty few and far between that I've seen, and they all have some kind of weapon or unit insiginia on, not just initials.

It's called an art nouveau or Edwardian ring in terms of searching antique sites etc. It's not art deco (too early and wrong style). Interestingly, I found one other art nouveau ring for 1917, though it is very different from this one - but all that has is the date, 1917, on it too.

The JHSN (Jefferson Hospital School of Nursing) recruited their first pupils in 1914 and ALL SIX graduated in 1917 (photo at link has more than six people in it). It was the first training to meet and exceed the new general curriculum standards that were introduced that year, so I guess that would have been a pretty big thing. The US entered the Great War April that year - nurses did go overseas and served on hospital ships.

http://www.jchs.edu/history-jefferson-college-health-sciences

I looked for some kind of link to ILN for a medical unit etc, but didn't find anything.

 

[Kimster]

A jewelry appraiser might know about that ring. Does anyone know one to ask?

 

[Lostindetroit]

Hey been away from the site for a minute just catchin up on this weeks cold case. This is amazing to me especially after reading the testimony in the murder conviction. We have a murderer but no identity on a young girl. Blows my mind. In my opinion, in the line of work they were in that ring was a spoil from a heist but I can't be sure of that. I have a feeling those phone numbers are the way to identify this girl.