Identified! CT - Stonington (Ledyard), WhtFem UP8909, 18-30, JNHS 1917 Class Ring, Lady Clairol hair roller set, May'74 - Linda Sue Childers

[FiveFelines]

Hey been away from the site for a minute just catchin up on this weeks cold case. This is amazing to me especially after reading the testimony in the murder conviction. We have a murderer but no identity on a young girl. Blows my mind. In my opinion, in the line of work they were in that ring was a spoil from a heist but I can't be sure of that. I have a feeling those phone numbers are the way to identify this girl.

I agree that the phone numbers are key. I would love to know if police spoke with CM Fox, Jr. (I hope so!) and what his relation was to our UID.

 

[zwiebel]

There was a Medical Corp nurses' ring, according to this, but none of the military sites bother to show them, because they don't seem very interested in the role of women during wars.

http://www.nursing.virginia.edu/research/cnhi/collection/individual/wills/

In the 1917 article here, title 'Entertaining program is given at St Marys School...'
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth130892/m1/4/zoom/
You can see a play about an organisation called the JHNS. That is a real organisation, The Junior Holy Name Society. As it is a Catholic one and rosary beads were also found with this victim, I think, maybe that could be what the ring represents?

I will try and find out from someone who is likely to know.

 

[Skigirl]

I don't think that Johns Hopkins School of Nursing was called that nor was it a separate school until 1983.

http://nursing.jhu.edu/about-us/history/

It was established in 1889 and called The Johns Hopkins Hospital Training School for Nurses. By 1974 it was called The Johns Hopkins Hospital School of Nursing (but not The Johns Hopkins School of Nursing). Between 1974 and 1979 it was called Johns Hopkins University School of Health Services Nursing Education and then changed again to The Johns Hopkins University School of Nursing in 1984.

So, I'm not sure what it would have been called in 1917, but it seems likely it was either the JHHTSN or the JHHSN (or JHHSON). Now it's referred to as JHUSON.

http://nursing.jhu.edu/about-us/history/timeline.html

ETA: Oops, I think I was responding to an old post by accident. Seems everyone had moved on from the Hopkins idea. Still, I'll leave this in case it comes up again.

 

[vermontaigne]

Motive expressed by prosecution witnesses: Afraid UID would lead police to their lodgings. Maybe thought they'd been making too many phone calls from previous residence. See also page 9 of the paper (19 of 34 in the pdf file), where Rainello states that she turned witness against Freitas because she was afraid that he might try to whack her, and the evidence considered in trying to find out who the mystery woman was. They did try contacting nursing schools regarding the ring, looked into telephone records, came up empty.

 

[fred&edna]

Motive expressed by prosecution witnesses: Afraid UID would lead police to their lodgings. Maybe thought they'd been making too many phone calls from previous residence. See also page 9 of the paper (19 of 34 in the pdf file), where Rainello states that she turned witness against Freitas because she was afraid that he might try to whack her, and the evidence considered in trying to find out who the mystery woman was. They did try contacting nursing schools regarding the ring, looked into telephone records, came up empty.

Good info but I'm having trouble seeing the related "page 9 (19 of 34 in the pdf)". The link takes me to page 47 of 77... this operator is likely making some errors and could use some help. TIA!

 

[FiveFelines]

Good info but I'm having trouble seeing the related "page 9 (19 of 34 in the pdf)". The link takes me to page 47 of 77... this operator is likely making some errors and could use some help. TIA!

I think it's this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...usgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3XEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1307,2659775

It only says they followed up on one call she made, although it's hard to believe they wouldn't have checked them all or tracked down CM Fox, owner of the phone bill. Then again, the paper's subhead of "Probably a Hooker" makes me wonder how much anyone really cared about identifying her.

 

[Skigirl]

A few observations about the phone bill:

1) The phone was located in New Jersey in the 609 area code. Several local calls (calls listed without an area code) are in towns that were (and still are) in the 609 area code, e.g., calls on 11/17, 11/20 and 12/16 to Hightstown, NJ as well as others to Riverside, NJ on 11/23 and 12/14, as well as several others. Also, the number listed at the top of the bill is 609-888-1300 (now Hamilton Yamaha, looks like it a business number; maybe the local Bell Phone at the time?).
2) The bill implies that she lived (or stayed) in New Jersey between 11/17 and 12/16 based on the dates of the calls.
3) The bill appears to be missing pages (they are page 2 of two successive months' bills). Unfortunately, we don't know where she might have called on Thanksgiving, which would have been 11/26/1970.
4) It looks like she received a collect (?) call from Newark, NJ on 12/11/1970 in the evening (rate = 2).

According to the Daily News article on 5/14/1975, she was last known to have been working in NYC. According to the court transcript cited earlier in the thread, Carmichael and DeFreitas robbed a bank in New Jersey on 12/22/1970. How I wish the phone bill that covered the 22nd, five days after the last call we can see, which is to Levittown, PA on the night of 12/1970.

 

[FiveFelines]

A few observations about the phone bill:

1) The phone was located in New Jersey in the 609 area code. Several local calls (calls listed without an area code) are in towns that were (and still are) in the 609 area code, e.g., calls on 11/17, 11/20 and 12/16 to Hightstown, NJ as well as others to Riverside, NJ on 11/23 and 12/14, as well as several others. Also, the number listed at the top of the bill is 609-888-1300 (now Hamilton Yamaha, looks like it a business number; maybe the local Bell Phone at the time?).
2) The bill implies that she lived (or stayed) in New Jersey between 11/17 and 12/16 based on the dates of the calls.
3) The bill appears to be missing pages (they are page 2 of two successive months' bills). Unfortunately, we don't know where she might have called on Thanksgiving, which would have been 11/26/1970.
4) It looks like she received a collect (?) call from Newark, NJ on 12/11/1970 in the evening (rate = 2).

According to the Daily News article on 5/14/1975, she was last known to have been working in NYC. According to the court transcript cited earlier in the thread, Carmichael and DeFreitas robbed a bank in New Jersey on 12/22/1970. How I wish the phone bill that covered the 22nd, five days after the last call we can see, which is to Levittown, PA on the night of 12/1970.

Agree with these observations. What's strange is that it isn't her phone bill. The name on it is "CM Fox, Jr."—who, according to Google, has ties to Tennessee and West Virginia and would have been in his late 20s in 1970.

 

[Skigirl]

I wonder if we are only seeing page 2 because someone scanned just one side of a two-sided print-out? Otherwise, why we are only seeing p. 2 of each? Also, I'm surprised that Fox's address doesn't appear below the name. Law enforcement must know more about this phone/the address/the phone's owner. Since at least one article said she was "probably a prostitute" I wonder if there's something about the phone/owner of the phone line that gave law enforcement that information.

 

[FiveFelines]

I wonder if we are only seeing page 2 because someone scanned just one side of a two-sided print-out? Otherwise, why we are only seeing p. 2 of each? Also, I'm surprised that Fox's address doesn't appear below the name. Law enforcement must know more about this phone/the address/the phone's owner. Since at least one article said she was "probably a prostitute" I wonder if there's something about the phone/owner of the phone line that gave law enforcement that information.

Right. We know she was living with or near Defreitas in CT around that time, so it can't be her home phone bill. As you said, she was supposedly working in NYC, possibly as a prostitute, so perhaps this is from a house belonging to a regular client, a friend, or a pimp. Although Hightstown, NJ is about 3 hours away from Ledyard, CT, and about an hour south of Manhattan.

ETA: Wait, I'm wrong. She wasn't with Defreitas until December 28, 1970. So it's possible she had been living or crashing in NJ prior to that.

 

[Skigirl]

Whoa. CM Fox Junior from West Virginia (1925-2002) had a wife by the name of Imogene N. Fox. What are the initials on the ring worn by our Jane Doe? ILN.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42412853

Imogene's maiden name was Imogene Nunn (1927-2012). Still trying to find out if there was a middle name starting with L. 1917 doesn't fit since she was born in the 1920s. Maybe that's when the school was founded? The initials on the ring seem like a wild coincidence if not related to Imogene Fox.

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...=ms_f-2_s&gsfn=Imogene&gsln=Fox&msdpn__ftp=WV

ETA: For some reason, the ancestry search gets cut off. There is a lot more that I can see when I edit than when it's displayed here.

Imogene's obit can be found here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=84196247

Daughter of Tom (1896-1957) and Mary Reed Nunn (1901-1942). Sadly, no mention of where she went to school.

 

[FiveFelines]

Whoa. CM Fox Junior from West Virginia (1925-2002) had a wife by the name of Imogene N. Fox. What are the initials on the ring worn by our Jane Doe? ILN.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42412853

Imogene's maiden name was Imogene Nunn. Still trying to find out if there was a middle name starting with L. 1917 doesn't fit since she was born in the 1920s. Wonder if it was her mother's ring?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...=ms_f-2_s&gsfn=Imogene&gsln=Fox&msdpn__ftp=WV

According to your Ancestry search, there is an Imogene L Nunn who died in 2010.

 

[FiveFelines]

So that's a different CM Fox, Jr than the one I was looking at (turns out there are many). Same area, though, but would have been older in 1970.

 

[vermontaigne]

Good info but I'm having trouble seeing the related "page 9 (19 of 34 in the pdf)". The link takes me to page 47 of 77... this operator is likely making some errors and could use some help. TIA!

Hmmm. Nope, I get the same thing.

Obviously, I don't understand these files, either. Just reporting what was at the top of the page when I read it last night.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

one at a time. Not sure on the best way to attach photos.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

continue.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

last of photo enhancements.

Use a tool to zoom in and out. Helps see things.

 

[FiveFelines]

Hmmm. Nope, I get the same thing.

Obviously, I don't understand these files, either. Just reporting what was at the top of the page when I read it last night.

Wrong paper. It's at this link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=1307,2659775

 

[Skigirl]

Here's a preliminary timeline:

* 10/5/1970 -- Carmichael escaped during transport from Massachusetts to Hartford, CT.

* 11/17-12/17/1970 -- UID makes phone calls from location in New Jersey, works in New York?

* 12/22/1970 -- Carmichael & DeFreitas rob NJ bank of $60,000

* 12/28/1970 -- Carmichael shows up with UID in Ledyard

* 12/28-12/29/1970 -- Carmichael and UID stay with DeFietas and Rainello in Ledyard. UID expresses fear of getting caught/having her new identity questioned to Rainello.

* 12/30/1970 -- UID as Lorraine Stahl opens bank account

* 12/30/1970 -- UID and Carmichael (as Stahls) move into rental house in Noank.

* 12/29, 12/30, or 12/31 -- Donald Brant summoned from Rhode Island to discuss killing UID. Brandt and DeFrietas decide it's too risky to kill just the UID because of Carmichael's feelings for UID.

* 12/31/1970 -- Brandt kills UID, DeFreitas kills Carmichael

* 12/31/1970 -- James Gardner summoned to help bury Carmichael & UID

Either Jane Doe met Carmichael between October (when Carmichael escaped) and December (when she showed up with him in CT), or they knew each other somehow from before Carmichael was incarcerated. If they met in October, they seem to have gotten pretty serious romantically pretty fast.

 

[alliemay]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...edHAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Hv8MAAAAIBAJ&pg=2578,1669457

Here is another bank robbery by Carmichael in 1968. Along with some other names, Richard Labbe was shot but not killed. A woman was also charged for hiding money behind her apartment, Lucille Civetilli. If Carmichael went to prison after this incident I wonder who visited him while he was there. They would have had to sign in. If our girl knew him prior to 1970, it's possible her name might have been on a visitor's list. Also this girl could be a relative of someone in the business that Carmichael knew. Just some thoughts. Other names were Thomas Dunleavy and Gerald Podolske, Podolske is an alias used by Brown or Carmichael.