Cutting Edge: Channel Four at 9pm in UK

[Sophie]

They may be struggling even more if Ofcom fine them for making a documentary that wasnt despicting factual images as per statements made to the Pjs.

Interesting thing tho..since the documentary more and more columnists are writing unflattering things...except Lorraine Kelly who probably hasnt read one single thing thats not been in the Sun.

This is probably just my perception, but Ofcom always seems to go much easier on C4 than on any of the other channels. I mean, the BBC can't say anything without the Daily Mail whipping its readership into a letter-writing frenzy about the licence fee being abused by the Bolshevic Broadcasting Corporation and Ofcom responding in kind. Whereas, C4 seem to get away with just about anything....


LOL at the Lorraine Kelly comment.

 

[Moab]

There are many who do not wish to see what is staring them in the face - simple things like the empty wine rack or the pathetic way that Kate dressed for the Oprah show, (pathetic being just what she wanted to portray) all deliberate - shows just how conniving & manipulating they can be!

I have so much to catch up on after being gone for a couple of weeks but it might as well be this post...if YOU choose to put wine 2-3 feet from the floor with two young childen around, you must not think much of the wine or the children when they pull it out onto the floor and the bottles break and they are playing in broken glass. I certainly wouldn't. What exactly is the matter with the way Kate was dressed?

 

[Barnaby]

I have so much to catch up on after being gone for a couple of weeks but it might as well be this post...if YOU choose to put wine 2-3 feet from the floor with two young childen around, you must not think much of the wine or the children when they pull it out onto the floor and the bottles break and they are playing in broken glass. I certainly wouldn't. What exactly is the matter with the way Kate was dressed?

Well if it was not intended to store alot of wine, I wonder why they chose to waste the money & kitchen space on a large double wine rack? They bought that house after they had children!

Her dress mode was totally unattractive & uncordinated! Pink cardigan, white shirt, black & white patterned skirt & BROWN shoes. For starters did she not have a black pair of shoes? Just who would wear brown shoes with that outfit?
I have seen Kate well coordinated as I said shortly after the "disappearance" when she would have been excused for being otherwise so in my opinion this was totally staged to make her appearance look as pathetic as possible. Let's face it one usually does make an effort when going on a television show that will be aired worldwide! I have no doubt that Kate has a "better" outfit then this in her wardrobe! The suit that she went shopping (when most of us would not have been thinking of shopping) for the Pope's visit would have been appropriate. I'm quite sure that she bought a pair of black shoes to match that!

 

[Isabella]

I have so much to catch up on after being gone for a couple of weeks but it might as well be this post...if YOU choose to put wine 2-3 feet from the floor with two young childen around, you must not think much of the wine or the children when they pull it out onto the floor and the bottles break and they are playing in broken glass. I certainly wouldn't. What exactly is the matter with the way Kate was dressed?

On the same basis maybe they done think much of those children when they dump them on there own to go out drinkiing with there friends EVERY night of the holiday. How about all the dangers in and outside of the apartment that the McCanns left those poor children in nightly. Its a bit late now to say they are parents of the year. Personally i wouldnt let them look after my dogs.

As for the way Kate was dressed - since days after the "disappearance " she has been dressed immaculately with matching clothes. She even managed to get her hair done days after it happened. Which fair enough i can understand seeing as she didnt spend time loooking for her missing daughter. And yet the American Interview was the only one where shes ever looked a messs. Or a mess by her standards at least.

 

[scandi]

Hi ThoughtFox, What I remember was first it was said they couldn't find CC, and then it morphed to it being high on a cupboard.

I bet there is a link here in Colomom's vast library of links in the case that mentions that, the first given info about CC. xox

 

[Isabella]

Hi ThoughtFox, What I remember was first it was said they couldn't find CC, and then it morphed to it being high on a cupboard.

I bet there is a link here in Colomom's vast library of links in the case that mentions that, the first given info about CC. xox

Kate McCann said in a interview with a Sunday tabloid ( i believe it was News of the World ) that she walked in the room and saw Cuddlecat on the shelf and knew Madeleine had been abducted as apparently she wouldnt havent been able to reach it up there. For the record this was a DEFINITE interview with Kate McCann herself including pictures of her so it wasnt someone speaking on her behalf. The interview was maybe 6 - 8 weeks after the "disappearance "

Ofc it now turns out that Cuddle cat was on the pillow. Yet another lie by the McCanns ; (

 

[Jayelles]

Kate McCann said in a interview with a Sunday tabloid ( i believe it was News of the World ) that she walked in the room and saw Cuddlecat on the shelf and knew Madeleine had been abducted as apparently she wouldnt havent been able to reach it up there. For the record this was a DEFINITE interview with Kate McCann herself including pictures of her so it wasnt someone speaking on her behalf. The interview was maybe 6 - 8 weeks after the "disappearance "

Ofc it now turns out that Cuddle cat was on the pillow. Yet another lie by the McCanns ; (

I'd be REALLY interested to see this interview which you claim Kate McCann gave to the New of the World (or any other tabloid newspaper) during the period that she was bound by the Portuguese judicial secrecy.

Do you have a link? I've tried finding it, but I'm afraid the oldest reference I can find about it is merely a question asking if it was true. You know, the sort where someone comes on to a forum and asks "Is it true that so and so has a criminal record for child abuse?" and next thing you know there are people saying "I didn't know that", "Gosh, no smoke without fire eh?" and before you know it, it's an established fact.

So I'd love a link for that interview. If Kate did indeed give that exclusive interview and thereis proof of a "direct quote" of her saying Cuddle Cat was on a high shelf (as opposed to someone else saying that she said it as so many of the proven tabloid llies were presented) it would certainly be proof that she has lied so I'm sure you'll agree it's important. And even if she couldn't be got on the lie, about Cuddle Cat she could certainly be got on breaking Portuguese judicial secrecy law.

ETA - I have found an earlier source of an archved forum thread shich states that *someone* said that Kate said this. Still no direct quote as you claim exists.

 

[Jayelles]

I'd be REALLY interested to see this interview which you claim Kate McCann gave to the New of the World (or any other tabloid newspaper) during the period that she was bound by the Portuguese judicial secrecy.

Do you have a link? I've tried finding it, but I'm afraid the oldest reference I can find about it is merely a question asking if it was true. You know, the sort where someone comes on to a forum and asks "Is it true that so and so has a criminal record for child abuse?" and next thing you know there are people saying "I didn't know that", "Gosh, no smoke without fire eh?" and before you know it, it's an established fact.

So I'd love a link for that interview. If Kate did indeed give that exclusive interview and thereis proof of a "direct quote" of her saying Cuddle Cat was on a high shelf (as opposed to someone else saying that she said it as so many of the proven tabloid llies were presented) it would certainly be proof that she has lied so I'm sure you'll agree it's important. And even if she couldn't be got on the lie, about Cuddle Cat she could certainly be got on breaking Portuguese judicial secrecy law.

ETA - I have found an earlier source of an archved forum thread shich states that *someone* said that Kate said this. Still no direct quote as you claim exists.

Interesting update.

I have done some research on this because I think it's really important to get facts right in something as important and serious as this.

I found tons of posts on anti-McCann forums/blogs which allude to Kate having told a tabloid that Cuddle cat was on a shelf or "out of reach". I found dozens of posts from people asking what the source of this claim was and a couple of replies which stated that it was Lori Campbell of the Mirror (she is the journalist whose suspicions got Robert Murat arguido-ised).

So off I went to trawl the archives for this statement by Kate McCann which is oft alluded to but which no-one really seems to know the source of.

Guess what? I found the article and sure enough, it is by Lori CampbellHere it is:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sunday-mirror/2007/08/12/maddy-was-alive-when-taken-98487-19613517/

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Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper. That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment

But there's a problem. This does not come from an interview with kate McCann. In fact, it states:-

Kate has refused to say where she found the Cuddle Cat toy when she returned to the villa in Praia da Luz at about 10pm to find her daughter's bed empty.

However, it does give the source of the claim that Cuddlecat was found on a shelf out of Madeleine's reach:-

Our police source said: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening, she had toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. Kate also noticed the window was wide opened and the shutters jammed up. It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help."

I wonder if this was the same police source who claimed that Madeleine's "real" father had been found through the sperm bank and traced to Birmingham where he was subsequently cleared of involement in her disappearance???

 

[Isabella]

Interesting update.

I have done some research on this because I think it's really important to get facts right in something as important and serious as this.

I found tons of posts on anti-McCann forums/blogs which allude to Kate having told a tabloid that Cuddle cat was on a shelf or "out of reach". I found dozens of posts from people asking what the source of this claim was and a couple of replies which stated that it was Lori Campbell of the Mirror (she is the journalist whose suspicions got Robert Murat arguido-ised).

So off I went to trawl the archives for this statement by Kate McCann which is oft alluded to but which no-one really seems to know the source of.

Guess what? I found the article and sure enough, it is by Lori CampbellHere it is:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sunday-mirror/2007/08/12/maddy-was-alive-when-taken-98487-19613517/

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But there's a problem. This does not come from an interview with kate McCann. In fact, it states:-



However, it does give the source of the claim that Cuddlecat was found on a shelf out of Madeleine's reach:-



I wonder if this was the same police source who claimed that Madeleine's "real" father had been found through the sperm bank and traced to Birmingham where he was subsequently cleared of involement in her disappearance???

Jayelles and yet he never did sue like he claimed he was going to. Strange.

The fact is the interview i read was with Kate McCann. Not her friends not her family but KATE MCCANN. Have you ever stopped to think the interview could have been wiped especially as in OMG she lied again. So much what was in the papers about this case has now gone. So the interview you found was the wrong one.

By the way you said it was cos of Lowri Turner Murat was made an arguido. Not true. It was mainly because of the McCann friends as im sure you know. Funny that Kate just happened to give an interview to the interviewer who blamed Murat tho ..

In any event theres lots of other instances the couple have lied.

Also ive noticed the post from you today and yesterday seem to be baiting towards me. I would be grateful if you would stop that.

Thanks.

 

[Jayelles]

With reference to my above post.

On 12th August 2007, Lori Campbell of the Sunday Mirror wrote her "exclusive" article in which a "police source" revealed that Cuddle cat had been placed "out of reach" on a "high shelf" and this same "police source" claimed that Kate McCann had been terrified when she had seen this.

Not a primary source. Not an interview with kate McCann. Not kate McCann's words. Just a "police source" - one of many and we know most of these were inaccurate at best.

The same article states that kate REFUSED to say where Cuddle cat had been, thus emphasising the fact that this was not kate McCann's words.

BUT

On the same day, the Daily mail ran another article QUOTING the above Sundary Mirror article as it's source:-

Madeleine's favourite toy, her pink 'Cuddle Cat, was taken from her arms and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper, according to new reports.
This important evidence could point to the fact that Madeleine was actually taken alive.

According to a report in the Sunday Mirror, Kate McCann knew instantly that Madeleine had been abducted when she saw that the toy had been moved from her sleeping daughter's arms and placed on a ledge way beyond the four-year-old's reach.
The paper quotes a police source as saying: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night.

"So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach.
"Kate also noticed the window was wide open and the shutters jammed up.
"It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474844/Madeleines-favourite-Cuddle-Cat-toy-placed-reach.html


And so the rumour developed into a "fact" that the report about Cuddle Cat being placed on a high shelf had come from Kate McCann herself.

This is just one of countless examples of how the truth was distorted by the media and sadly, many people readily accept these false stories without question.

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles and yet he never did sue like he claimed he was going to. Strange.

The fact is the interview i read was with Kate McCann. Not her friends not her family but KATE MCCANN. Have you ever stopped to think the interview could have been wiped especially as in OMG she lied again. So much what was in the papers about this case has now gone. So the interview you found was the wrong one.

By the way you said it was cos of Lowri Turner Murat was made an arguido. Not true. It was mainly because of the McCann friends as im sure you know. Funny that Kate just happened to give an interview to the interviewer who blamed Murat tho ..

In any event theres lots of other instances the couple have lied.

Also ive noticed the post from you today and yesterday seem to be baiting towards me. I would be grateful if you would stop that.

Thanks.

Isabella, I have now produced two sources which state a police source made the claim and the original of these states quite clearly that Kate refused to say where Cuddle cat was. If you think you've got a more reliable source which contradicts this then please produce it.

And no where did I say Lowri Turner got Robert Murat arguido'ed. Please read my post again. Lori Campbell.

 

[Isabella]

Isabella, I have now produced two sources which state a police source made the claim and the original of these states quite clearly that Kate refused to say where Cuddle cat was. If you think you've got a more reliable source which contradicts this then please produce it.

And no where did I say Lowri Turner got Robert Murat arguido'ed. Please read my post again. Lori Campbell.

As i said - i read the article myself. At that time i believed in the McCanns and i got practically ALL Sunday newspapers. It was a article by Kate McCann. Not sources...none of her family and none of her friends. It was a exclusive interview by KATE MCCANN. She said herself in the interview she knew Madeleiene had been kidnapped because the ledge was too high for Madeleine to put the toy onto. At the time the McCanns were giving various interviews to different papers. I'm sorry if you didnt read the interview but..it WAS there.

Though i do admit..Kate McCann isnt a reliable source for anything in this case.

Oh and yes I meant Lori Campbell. But same difference it was mainly the McCanns friends who got Murat made an arguido and NOT the reporter

 

[rashomon]

Quote:
Kate has refused to say where she found the Cuddle Cat toy when she returned to the villa in Praia da Luz at about 10pm to find her daughter's bed empty.

And what was Kate's motive for refusing to answer this question?
Even if it had to do with her arguida status, doesn't this make her look
pretty suspicious when if she deliberately lets the police in the dark as to what she knows?

 

[Isabella]

And what was Kate's motive for refusing to answer this question?
Even if it had to do with her arguida status, doesn't this make her look
pretty suspicious when if she deliberately lets the police in the dark as to what she knows?

There was a lot of questions Kate didnt answer in fact

One thing to correct from Jayelles post. The McCanns were NOT staying in a villa at all. It was in fact a tiny apartment.

Also i have doubts about the 10 pm timing. One couple report healing people shouting for Madeleine around 9pm. Also the bar staff statements or at least one of them gives the timing as before 10 that they had gone looking for Madeleine.

But in any event that interview WAS definetly in the Sunday paper because i read it. It was a 2 page spread.

 

[Jayelles]

As i said - i read the article myself. At that time i believed in the McCanns and i got practically ALL Sunday newspapers. It was a article by Kate McCann. Not sources...none of her family and none of her friends. It was a exclusive interview by KATE MCCANN. She said herself in the interview she knew Madeleiene had been kidnapped because the ledge was too high for Madeleine to put the toy onto. At the time the McCanns were giving various interviews to different papers. I'm sorry if you didnt read the interview but..it WAS there.

If it exists, you will be able to find a source for it. The mccann files site has an archive of all the media reports. We are not talking about something insignificant here, we are talking about something HIGHLY significant. If you cannot find your article, I'm afraid I will have to conclude that you are mistaken.

Though i do admit..Kate McCann isnt a reliable source for anything in this case.

Really? OK.

Oh and yes I meant Lori Campbell. But same difference it was mainly the McCanns friends who got Murat made an arguido and NOT the reporter

Really? Do you have a source for that? Was it the McCanns and their friends who brought Robert Murat to the attention of the Portuguese police after which he was made arguido? Not Lori Campbell?

 

[Jayelles]

And what was Kate's motive for refusing to answer this question?
Even if it had to do with her arguida status, doesn't this make her look
pretty suspicious when if she deliberately lets the police in the dark as to what she knows?

Rash, we've been over this time and time again. The McCanns were not allowed to discuss anything to do with the investigation. This was under the terms of Portuguese judicial secrecy.

Why should someone look suspicious for abiding by the constraints of the law?

 

[Isabella]

If it exists, you will be able to find a source for it. The mccann files site has an archive of all the media reports. We are not talking about something insignificant here, we are talking about something HIGHLY significant. If you cannot find your article, I'm afraid I will have to conclude that you are mistaken.



Really? OK.



Really? Do you have a source for that? Was it the McCanns and their friends who brought Robert Murat to the attention of the Portuguese police after which he was made arguido? Not Lori Campbell?

Jayelles if you want to see the article i suggest you look. We have been down this road a weeks ago. If all the media reports are at McCann files..then look there instead of accusing people of not knowing what they have read please.

As for Murat - when the reporter spoke to the pjs they reportedly said they was already aware of Murat. Did the reporter go to face Murat at Portimao or was it just the friends i wonder?

In any event ..in the scheme of things the McCanns have told much bigger lies or changed there stories depending on how you look at it. Maybe we should focus on them?

1. For eg why did Gerry say he crossed the road to talk to Jez? According to Jez it was HE who crossed the road.

2 Why did neither Gerry or Jez see Jane?
3. Why did they claim the shutters had been forced open at the beginning?
4. Why did they change what Martin Smith said and also the way the child was carried?
5. Why are there 2 ex cops putting out pictures of the supposed kidnapper? Why are they saying there seeking a name..when in FACT this person was named and cleared already and the data to this is in the file. Why say the pjs didnt try and find this person when theres proof they did?
6. In addition why show the picture they did? That picture looks nothing like the description and id pic by the witness.
7. Furthermore..Kate said..when i went in the room the door was open more than WE had left it. Yet for the last two years we have been told 2 people checked on those kids. So why would she expect to find the door as she had left it thus indicating no one had been in the childrens room.
8. Why did they say they had checked on Madeleine..and then the twins as afterthought? Why not just say they had been to check on the children?
9. Kate is now saying that the window was wide open. So..why did none of the others see the window was open when doing there supposed checks?
10. I believe none of Madeleienes dna was found on bed. Why do you think this was if Madeleine had supposedly been in the bed that night?

To me these are much more important to me than about Cuddle cat because there far bigger disrepancies and really there at the heart of any kidnap story.

 

[Texana]

Rash, we've been over this time and time again. The McCanns were not allowed to discuss anything to do with the investigation. This was under the terms of Portuguese judicial secrecy.

Why should someone look suspicious for abiding by the constraints of the law?

But they did. For example, they speculated about being watched, about the condition of the window shutters, about the placement of the door.

And they disobeyed other directions, such as releasing information about Madeleine's colobama eye condition.

So by all accounts, the McCanns talked about what they wished, when they wished, and then refused to answer other questions under the excuse of "It's part of the investigation."

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles if you want to see the article i suggest you look. We have been down this road a weeks ago. If all the media reports are at McCann files..then look there instead of accusing people of not knowing what they have read please.

I am not accusing you of deliberately lying about this, just suggesting that you are "mistaken". The Daily Mail article is quite misleading as it appears to suggest that Kate McCann told this to the Mirror when in fact she did not. It would be an easy misinterpretation to make.

With regard to sources, it's not enough to make a claim and then tell people to find the source themselves if they don't believe you. Over the years on the forums, there have been several posters who have had reputations for this - none of them were considered credible as a result. If you don't believe me, ask Tricia!

The fact that you want us to take your word in the absence of any source to back it up is not good. Especially when there are solid sources which quite categorically contradict what you claim to remember.

Incidentally, I have have asked about this elsewhere and been told by several very knowlegable case followers that it is a myth that kate said any such thing. I feel that it's such a pity that the McCanns not only have to cope with the disappearance of their daughter and the accusations of foul play which have gone along with it, but also with so many false and damaging stories too. Not only has Kate been accused of lying about Cuddlecat, but she has also been accused of lying about the shelf which doesn't seem to exist either!

 

[rashomon]

Rash, we've been over this time and time again. The McCanns were not allowed to discuss anything to do with the investigation. This was under the terms of Portuguese judicial secrecy.

Why should someone look suspicious for abiding by the constraints of the law?

I meant the many questions Kate refused to answer to the police.

Kate has refused to say where she found the Cuddle Cat toy when she returned to the villa in Praia da Luz at about 10pm to find her daughter's bed empty.

For clarification: Who asked her this question? The newspaper reporter?
In that case, she could just have said "I'm not allowed by law to answer the question".
Refusing to answer a question has a different connotation: deliberately leaving the questioner in the dark by withholding info.