Czech Republic - Jane Doe, deceased, possibly falsely IDd as Alice Billing, 4 March 2012

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  • #21
Respectfully, why would her husband and son lie about her being dead and having her funeral if that isn't her? What do they achieve by lying? What does she achieve by "playing" dead? Why would this be occurring, if it is?
 
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My son was 6'4 but his autopsy results showed him shorter; sorry I can't recall the precise measurement but it was 2 or 3 inches shorter, startling enough to warrant me calling the Coroner. It was many years ago so I can't recall the Coroner's detailed explanation, but I remember it was related to the post-mortal measurement is taken lying down. (My take on that is, our muscles keep us upright in life but in death the muscles are not performing that function).

I have messaged a highly regarded Coroner with this question and hopefully they will have time to respond. I will post if/when they do.

In the Tim Bosma case (Tim was incinerated), a forensic dentist testified that he could only identify the fact that it was a tooth, but that DNA could not be recovered:

Barlow said he couldn't determine if the tooth belonged to Bosma. "I could not say from the sample I had available," he said. "It had the appearance of a human tooth."

No DNA could be recovered from the tooth, Barlow testified, because of heat damage.
 
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Did you see the 2018 film, “A Simple Favor”? Money was behind the tragedy in that eloquent work of fiction.

In Alice’s world it was real: Money and all the stupid things that she did because of her insatiable greed.

Do you want to know more? The first installment will be “ready” in about 1 to 2 days.

As I leave you for now, please find attached a peculiar photograph. Due to WS server size limitations, I had to snip a portion from the original to make the memory size squeeze through. Please can anybody suggest the best free online “cloud” so I can redirect you to there for viewing documents, pictures and videos?

The attachment is a photograph of Alice’s son, AAB, standing next to a woman who eerily looks like Jane Doe, during the 2006 Christmas season.

Aunt Marie sent a bunch of photographs to Dad shortly before she died. She never sent us any photographs before! Then suddenly envelopes stuffed with photographs? We always took for granted that this was Anthony and Alice standing together. After I started connecting the dots and realized that the body was not Alice, I started going through any photographs I could find at home. I was searching for Jane Doe.

I finally found this photograph and sure enough, even though the photograph is very grainy – the original was printed on very poor quality paper which almost looked like newspaper, and it looks like this photograph was on a monitor screen when somebody – probably Aunt Marie - took a photograph of it with a cellphone: that is not Alice standing next to Anthony; she literally looks like Jane Doe. Her hair is made up the same way as Jane Doe on the 2011 passport.

It makes me feel as if Aunt Marie sensed that her time was short, and that if she was right about her senses and she did meet an untimely death, then she probably hoped that we would eventually “connect the dots” which would have worked to avenge whomever she was so fearful of.

Was Aunt Marie that apprehensive of her own daughter? For those LE and profiler members here on WS, what say you?

More background noise: Aunt Marie stood between Alice and so much money that you will say something like “no way that is impossible!”

Dad was set to retire in early 2008. He planned to move in with his sister and live in Prague, his “home town” for 6 months to a year. Aunt Marie was looking forward to this. They planned to travel throughout Eurasia. Alice and her entourage knew about this plan. Then Aunt Marie suddenly died in August, 2007. That stopped Dad’s plans dead in their tracks. Impeccable timing that would benefit whom? Alice now held the keys to the kingdom.

Alice told three different stories to three different people, about a certain aspect of that day when Aunt Marie got killed.

Should I fear that maybe I have a serial killer in the family?

MyCousinAlice
 

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Dear Sillybilly,

Please accept my condolences. I pray that you have resolved any questions about your son. I cannot imagine what I would do if my son died, or how I would feel.

Do WS have a forensics pathologist member? Thank you for reaching out to that Coroner.

The cremation process is understandably ferocious to DNA.

Her urn was then abandoned on a shelf of the crematorium for over 4 years until I located her and had her laid to rest. Is that how a man treats his mother's remains? What would a WS behaviorist or profiler or psychologist say?

MyCousinAlice
 
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The Coroner I contacted replied with this explanation:

... there may be several reasons why a discrepancy in stature exists. The most common one is that individuals tend to over-estimate their own height on identifying documents such as driver's licenses. Everyone wants to be a little taller than they actually are! Interestingly enough, we find that men tend to exaggerate their living stature more than women. Other than that, the measurements at autopsy may be estimates, decomposition may play a role in the measurement, or if skeletal remains are present, measuring long bones for estimation of living stature creates a range that can be quite large as to capture a larger portion of the missing population.
 
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I would like to know the motive too. Why would she stage her dead? Did she stash away a lot of money before she "died" and went under the radar? What would she gain by being "dead"? I guess if she had money it would be inherited by her son after she died.

Also Jane Doe had an appendix scar. Is there any information your cousin had it also?
 
  • #27
Do these two photographs look like they could be the same person? The police concluded that my cousin Alice died in 2012. I have since learned through police records that the body is not Alice. In 2019 I found a photograph on social media which in my opinion has a striking resemblance to Alice. Your feedback means a lot to me. Can anybody refer me to a facial recognition analyst?

Thank you

<ADMIN NOTE: This member has provided Admin with police file numbers to justify thread opening>

I don't think they are the same person. Also Alice (born in 1965) would have been approx. 54 in 2019. The woman on the right looks a lot younger to me.
 
  • #28
Dear Sillybilly,

Thank you for asking a professional for input.

In this case the autopsy doctors dealt with a totally intact body – not skeletal or partial remains. I say that to help WS newcomers catch up to speed.

I Googled "Effects of death on body height?” and got this:

“The average difference between the persons’ height stated in their identification cards and their height measured post mortem is —1.25 cm for the men and —1.68 cm for the women. The difference between the actual height during lifetime (after the correction for ageing) and the height measured after death is much smaller: —0.95 cm for the men and 0.69 cm for the women. 3) The rigor mortis after death practically does not affect the post mortal height.”

So both men and women tend to exaggerate. According to this study, women did not exaggerate by anything even close to 5cm (since Jane Doe is 5cm shorter than Alice’s declared 168cm).

This quotation is from:

Is There a Difference between the Human Height before and after Death?, D. Radoinova*, I. Ivanova**, I. Krasnaliev*, * Department of Forensic Medicine, Medical University of Varna * * Department of Internal Medicine, Medical University of Varna * * * Department of Pathology, Medical University of Varna, Institute of Experimental Morphology and Anthropology, Acta morphologica et anthropologica, 10 Sofia 2005.

The link: http://iempam.bas.bg/journals/acta/acta10/283-287.pdf
 
  • #29
I don't think they are the same person. Also Alice (born in 1965) would have been approx. 54 in 2019. The woman on the right looks a lot younger to me.

What makes you “think” that they are not the same person? If it is because, as you said, the woman in the 2019 photograph “looks a lot younger” then just say so. Please share your analysis that led you to the conclusion that you “think” that they are not the same individual.

I’ve seen women in their 50s who looked younger than most 40-somethings and would have rivaled 30-somethings.

So just because the 2019 woman might look younger, is not enough to convince me that she is not Alice. In fact, the 2019 woman’s hair is thinner, which is consistent with the fact that, generally, most people start to lose hair after they reach a certain age, even women.
 
  • #30
Okay everyone, stop any bickering or personalizing toward other members.

Admin made a decision to allow this thread without MSM based on some information that has been reviewed.

Members may respectfully ask questions of a VI, but do not argue with them or be rude to them in any way. As always, it is up to members to assign whatever weight they feel the information warrants, but if you disagree, then just scroll and roll without challenging a VI or bickering with them. A VI is not required to share information they are not comfortable sharing, for whatever reasons.
 
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A lot of interesting information on here
Alice Hedkvist Billing

I created this “Fan Page” to document what was going on in my family. So I exposed their motive long before I joined WS.

Please do some more Web Sleuthing. I have other obligations so I can’t be chasing my “dead” cousin Alice on the web as much as I would like.
 
  • #33
Prelude II: The Motive

Alice was the sole trustee of a family art collection trust. This trust was created by Dad and Aunt Marie.

Aunt Marie was the sole trustee until she was killed in 2007. Dad was so devastated over the death of his “Big Sister” that he left the trust in Alice’s “caring hands”.

Alice and TB were “living large”. Alice had millions of dollars on her own bank accounts. Eventually, somebody took notice.

According to two sources very close to Alice: well before Alice and TB “died” that same year, Alice started getting paranoid that German tax revenue agents were on to her and TB. One friend suggested that Alice hire an attorney and approach the authorities to resolve the matter, but Alice was terse in rejecting that suggestion.

My fear is that “the motive” will be a distraction that everybody will be fixated on because it is a “newsworthy” subject that will smother Jane Doe: I hope that I am wrong but that is how I feel.

Or maybe this “motive” will hyper-motivate WS members to help crack this case?
 
  • #34
RE: The Face >>>WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT<<<

Attached is a facial recognition report published on October 7, 2018, by Kent Gibson.

Mr. Gibson’s findings are that the decedent’s face matches the face on the 2011 passport, and that the face from these two photographs do not match Alice on her 2006 passport or on verified photographs of her in 2001 and 2007.

This report said what I had already concluded on my own. I consider this report as only one factor that makes me conclude that the body is not Alice.

I edited identifiers. Yes, that is me in 2001 with Alice and Aunt Marie; Dad in 2007 with Alice and another relative; Alice on her 2006 Passport; and poor Jane Doe as she appeared on Alice’s 2011 passport and as she was found on March 4, 2012.

Unfortunately, Mr. Gibson is in retirement and is no longer available, so if there are any experts here on WS that can help Jane Doe, please message me.

MyCousinAlice
 

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This is a you-tube video from the
ALEC MONOPOLY, Summer 2019 in Saint-Tropez.

On 0:13 I spotted this lady. It looks she has the same outfit like the woman you posted a picture from. Could she be the same woman? What do you see/think?

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RE: The Face >>>WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT<<<

Attached is a facial recognition report published on October 7, 2018, by Kent Gibson.

Mr. Gibson’s findings are that the decedent’s face matches the face on the 2011 passport, and that the face from these two photographs do not match Alice on her 2006 passport or on verified photographs of her in 2001 and 2007.

This report said what I had already concluded on my own. I consider this report as only one factor that makes me conclude that the body is not Alice.

I edited identifiers. Yes, that is me in 2001 with Alice and Aunt Marie; Dad in 2007 with Alice and another relative; Alice on her 2006 Passport; and poor Jane Doe as she appeared on Alice’s 2011 passport and as she was found on March 4, 2012.

Unfortunately, Mr. Gibson is in retirement and is no longer available, so if there are any experts here on WS that can help Jane Doe, please message me.

MyCousinAlice

Thank you for sharing. Very interesting.
 
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This is a you-tube video from the
ALEC MONOPOLY, Summer 2019 in Saint-Tropez.

On 0:13 I spotted this lady. It looks she has the same outfit like the woman you posted a picture from. Could she be the same woman? What do you see/think?

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EXCELLENT WEBSLEUTHING!

I already had this video; I just don’t have the time to present everything instantaneously onto this board, editorialize, and answer questions – I am doing what I can, as fast as I can.

Yes, that is the same woman and – in my opinion – she is Alice. More on that later.

I also have another “possible” Alice siting on yet another video but more on that later (take that as a challenge and I will give you a hint: It was again at Saint Tropez and Alec posted it online and you only get a very short milli-second glimpse of only a part of her face, but she is sitting possibly at the same table as Alec was videotaping wildly about – his typical videoing style and I hope that he keeps it up). If you don’t find it then I will eventually find it and post it so that you can tell me what you think.

Anthony and his entourage keep going back to Saint Tropez time and time again. Alec and Anthony are “besties” so Alice would have had reason to be close by, she is Anthony’s mother after all. Maybe Alec knows her as “Anthony’s aunt”? Did you see that photograph that Alec posted on Instagram from July 30, 2019? I haven’t gotten to that yet either but check out the two gentlemen flanking her: bodyguards?

You probably saw the photograph of AAB and Alec on that Fan Page, “The Boys”.

Keep up the GREAT work, Bit of hope!!!

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  • #38
MyCousinAlice, have you hired or considered hiring a private investigator? A good one could get you the information you're looking for, in my opinion.
 
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RE: The “RESOLUTION” AKA the Final Police Report

Find attached the translated and edited final police report presenting the investigation findings, which is titled “RESOLUTION”; personal identifiers of certain third parties have been edited. Page references are to the translated pages, not to the original pages.

I will keep my comments (“COMMENT:”) to a minimal. I am not a medical or a forensics expert, nor do I have experience in law enforcement or profiling. If you have such experience, please tell me what you think or how you can help. I plan to add more in-depth comments/analysis/opinions in a later posts.

If you know a certified Czech-to-English translator that is willing to certify a translation, please get involved.

Here is a basic summary of what I find important. I will not repeat what I already pointed out in the previously released police records (one witness statement and the autopsy). But please add to this list if you feel that it would help Jane Doe.

1. The RESOLUTION was published on June 22, 2012 by Komisar Petr Michal. Page 1.

2. Time of death was declared to be March 4, 2012 at 1:00 am. Page 2.

3. The PMI was established at 12 hours. Page 2 ¶ 2.

4. The decedent’s face was described as sallow, page 2 ¶ 2. COMMENT: her skin or complexion gave the impression that she was unwell? This is consistent with the autopsy that determined that she was suffering from cirrhosis and emphysema. This does not correlate with Alice’s physiological or health profile.

5. “The apartment was clean, there was never vomit, traces of blood, etc.” Page 2 ¶ 3. COMMENT: I find this awkward because according to the autopsy, there was dried vomit on her face. Based upon this evidence, could the body have been moved onto the bed from another location? Any LE or EMTs care to share what the scene typically looks like where a person pukes themselves to death? It would probably be a very messy, stinky and grisly scene.

6. The Police “took video and photographic documentation.” Page 2 ¶ 3. COMMENT: The police would not release any videos, and the only CSI photographs released were 2 of the decedent’s face, the driver’s license and Alice’s two passports, AAB’s passport, nominal cash, a credit card, a wallet, and two handwritten notes. Komisar Michal mentioned that the decedent’s face was on family portraits throughout the apartment; My review of those videos would help resolve this once and for all, but the Police refuse to let us see anything else. Can anybody on WS help convince the Czech Police to release this evidence to me or to WS?

7. An empty wine bottle was found at the scene. Page 3 ¶ 2. COMMENT: There is no indication that the police dusted the wine bottle for fingerprints. Why dust for finger prints?

8. Alice’s husband, TB, claimed that he “holds a high position” in employment, that he earns so much money that Alice can be a stay-at-home housewife, that because of his day-time job he is way from home “for extended periods”. Page 3 ¶ 3. COMMENT: Komisar Michal told me over the telephone, although I have not read this anywhere in the police documents, that TB identified the body as Alice, at the police morgue. I will revisit TB’s character later. His “motive” has already been revealed, but more on that, later as well.

9. FJ said that they were not aware of “any health problems with Mrs. Billing”, page 2 ¶ 4.

10. IK, a “family friend” said the Alice was totally financially dependent upon TB, who was a “neglectful alcoholic who was always away from home on business” (paraphrasing IK). IK was the family au Pair. Page 3. COMMENT: While messaging with PJ, out of the blue PJ wrote that IK told him that Alice had millions of dollars on her bank accounts. That sort of contradicts what IK told the Police, doesn't it?

11. IK was appointed as the administrator of Alice’s estate. Page 4 ¶ 1. COMMENT: What about the hubby? Can’t trust TB with Alice’s millions? From Alice who never worked even one day in her life?

12. According to HZ: “Mr. Billing is employed in public relations when he moves in high political circles. His income was so great that Alice could stay home and did not need to seek employment.” Page 4 ¶ 2. COMMENT: More on TB’s employment history, later. Apparently HZ was not aware that Alice had her own millions on her own bank accounts.

13. The last time HZ saw Alice was on Mach 2, 2012. Page 4. Comment: Depending on what time on March 2, 2012, that Alice and HZ parted to go their own ways, this could put a kink on the official PMI.

14. MM was the last person to officially see Alice alive as Alice left MM’s home after 10pm. Page 5. COMMENT: this seems to be the most important witness yet MM was never asked to give a written statement. This seems bizarre because you would think that the police would want to secure the statement of the only witness who can establish the PMI. Any verified LE members care to opine?

15. Alice called MM around 1pm to 2pm to see if MM would take a walk with her. Alice finally showed up around 5 to 5:30 pm. Page 4 ¶ 3.

15. According to MM, Alice’s “husband held a high paid post in his job, which was most of the time away from home”. Page 5. COMMENT: more on that later.

16. “Mrs. Billing has never been employed”. Page 5. COMMENT: awkward that Alice has millions of dollars on her bank accounts yet she never had a day-time job.

17. “Alice talked about her worries over her husband being relocated at company cost to Dubai”. Page 5. COMMENT: This illustrates that Alice is telling witnesses that her husband has a day-time job. None of the witnesses themselves can say that they have first-hand knowledge that TB actually had a day-time job. More, later.

18. MT, a neighbor, last saw Alice on March 1, 2012; they both walked around the residence. “On the state of health she [Alice] did not complain.” Page 5 ¶ 2.

19. A next-door neighbor, JP, saw Alice walking out to her Porsche on March 3, 2012 at between 2:30 and 3:00 pm: they “saw Mrs. Billing on the phone and then get into a vehicle Porsche and quickly departs somewhere, after some time, she returned and carefully parked the car at the curb, which she never does.” Page 5 ¶ 3.

COMMENT 1: no witness statement was secured from this witness either. Taking 2:30 pm as the last time that this witness saw Alice alive, then if Alice dropped dead right there on the spot at 2:30 pm with her telephone still in the clasp of her hand, then she would have been dead for only 22 hours and 52 minutes, which is not long enough for the bacteria to turn her lower abdominal skin greenish by the time when her body gets found. Again, what this witness saw, just like MM, proves that the PMI is not 12 hours or even “a few hours” more.

COMMENT 2: That bit about Alice very carefully parking her Porsche: JP probably only assumed that Alice parked her Porsche so carefully. Or maybe Alice was being cautious so as to not arouse attention? Some would say that people behave when they are trying to get away with something, like not getting attention. What do WS's profilers say?

COMMENT 3: Alice called MM around 1pm to 2pm, then JP sees Alice around 2:30pm to 3:00pm on her phone; Alice finally arrives at MM’s home at 5-530pm: At least 2 hours are unaccounted for. Care to speculate? Alice shows up at MM all “apathetic and in reconciliation”. Was Alice playing MM into believing that she, Alice, was suicidal?

20. The Porsche that Alice left parked out in front of her home “returned to Mr. Billing by confirming the company for which he gave him to use (attested confirmation firm Hill + Knowlton Strategies GmbH, based in Germany).” Page 5 ¶ 5. COMMENT: “the rest of the story” later.

MyCousinAlice

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MyCousinAlice, have you hired or considered hiring a private investigator? A good one could get you the information you're looking for, in my opinion.

As you can tell, AAB enjoys life on mega yachts, flying around in private jets, driving exotic cars. I linked 4 mansions in LA, one in San Francisco, one in Miami, a business, and so many VIPs and Hollywood personalities that it would create a media feeding frenzy, to him. You can say that he and Alice are enjoying “the fruits of their labor”.

Neither I nor my immediate family got even one cent from this family art collection trust that Alice hijacked.

I spent over $6,000 getting only parts of the police file. At this point I do not have the money, otherwise I would hire a PI. I can try crowd-funding to raise funds to hire PIs and lawyers and experts, but I have more faith in people who are willing to help out of compassion, and how long would it take to raise enough money through crown funding?

The facial recognition analyst, Mr. Gibson, refused to charge me for his report, once he realized what had happened to Jane Doe. But I do not expect that everybody wants to work for free, so I will gladly consider contingency fee arrangements.
 
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