Damien Echols' occult motives

[reedus23]

I'd prefer you didn't leave me to speculate regarding the reasoning behind your assertions, but you're far from being forthcoming here. As for Cilmer, he's certainly done some damage to himself with all the drugs he took at such a young age. That's not reason to assume he hallucinated or fabricated every detail though by any stretch, and he's clearly far more on his onion that Echols was when writing his letters to Gloria Shettles. As for the animal carcasses which corroborate what Cilmer and Misskelley talked about, see this report and the last couple minutes of this this video, though I recommend watching at least the first couple of minutes too to see how much Echols spray painted his name around the place:

writings on walls 061493 - YouTube

And there we go. The daily double. A link to a report that involves both. :banghead:

 

[reedus23]

A dead cat and some rotting pigeon carcasses doesn't corroborate what either of them said. The fact that Jerry Driver thinks this is evidence of a Satanic cult operating in the area does corroborate the idea that Driver had bought into the satanic panic that was prevalent at the time.

As for graffiti, you'll get that everywhere and I would guess most of the culprits are teenage and male.

Still, everyone who hasn't read it should take a few minutes to read Ricky Climer's statement.

Why in the hell are we talking about graffiti? What does that have to do with murder? Stupid dead cats and birds had little to do with anything and now we're talking about graffiti? Now I've got the music from the Twilight Zone going on in my head. Don't mean to be ignorant, but graffiti? Really?

 

[reedus23]

First and foremost, I don't trust one dang thing about Jones or Driver. At best they are inept. At worst, well I'll just leave that one alone. What I think is that there were rumors running rampant about a lot of people, including Damien. And with each telling of the rumor, it got crazier and crazier. You can choose to follow and believe rumors, I'd like to see something concrete to support the rumor before I accept it as anything more than that. Was anything concrete ever provided about the Great Dane or did we all agree the story was just BS?

Hate to quote myself but couldn't let it rest. I won't leave it alone. At worst, they are criminal.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Hate to quote myself but couldn't let it rest. I won't leave it alone. At worst, they are criminal.

At least Driver is! He did time in FL.

 

[Cappuccino]

Jerry Driver was in contact with Dale Griffis for up to a year before these murders happened, and I guess Griffis schooled him to see roadkill and teenagers scribbling their names on walls as evidence of Satanism.

 

[reedus23]

at least driver is! He did time in fl.

exactly!!!

 

[reedus23]

Jerry Driver was in contact with Dale Griffis for up to a year before these murders happened, and I guess Griffis schooled him to see roadkill and teenagers scribbling their names on walls as evidence of Satanism.

That should speak volumes. I would find it comical except for the fact that there hasn't been justice for the 3 young boys and 3 others lost the better parts of their lives sitting in prison for it.

I just cannot get this picture of Rosco P. Coltrane, Barney Fife and Bozo the Clown sitting around the table when I think of those 3.:banghead:

 

[kyleb]

A dead cat and some rotting pigeon carcasses doesn't corroborate what either of them said.

Sure, Misskelley just made up the story about killing and eating animals with Baldwin and Echols, as did Climer and Alvis Bly, and perhaps witness statements from others which I've yet to come across. And there just happened to be various carcases next to remains of a bonfire under an overpass with Echols name sprayed all over the placed and various pentagrams and such. It's all just sheer coincidence, and couldn't possibility have any relationship Echols fanciful notions of being able to conjure demons, being possessed, or drinking blood to "feel like a God" or anything thing else discussed in this thread, eh?

Why in the hell are we talking about graffiti?

It's a long story, but perhaps if you go back and read this thread again without dismissing all the documented facts in it as fraudulent or meaningless you might be able to work it out. I won't hold my breath though.

 

[reedus23]

It's a long story, but perhaps if you go back and read this thread again without dismissing all the documented facts in it as fraudulent or meaningless you might be able to work it out. I won't hold my breath though.

Do you know how many people you could be convicting if you think someone spraying their name around town is evidence of guilt? That's bordering on insane.

 

[kyleb]

That is a rather insane notion you came up with there, and certainly nothing I would ever come anywhere close to suggesting.

 

[reedus23]

I'll tell you what I take away from that 14:01 video is it confirms LE's little witch hunt, talking about offerings and rituals and what not. I wonder if any of them, with the benefit of hindsight, are embarrassed by some of their comments and beliefs.

 

[kyleb]

I'll tell you what I take away from that 14:01 video is it confirms LE's little witch hunt

Well of course you do. As long as you're intent on denying all the stronger evidence of Echols occult beliefs and those of others he associated with presented previously in this thread, you can't rightly be expected to come away with anything else from the video.

 

[reedus23]

Well of course you do. As long as you're intent on denying all the stronger evidence of Echols occult beliefs and those of others he associated with presented previously in this thread, you can't rightly be expected to come away with anything else from the video.

Talking to the wrong guy here kyle. I never denied Echols didn't have an interest in the occult or other dark subjects. I just think it has zero to do with the murders. Having said that, what was I supposed to take out of that video? I'm not understanding? The name Damien was spray painted on walls? Has ZERO to do with a murder. Heck, you don't even know if that's the same Damien. For all you know, someone watched The Exorcist and wrote that on there. Some dead pigeons? Tell me again what that has to do with the murders? ZERO. Again, you don't even know if Damien had anything to do with them. Do you even know if they died of unnatural causes? No, I don't see any connection between the graffiti and dead birds and the murder.

 

[reedus23]

Maybe we can put an end to all the boogie man talk. Chris Littrell claims that Damien had, among a bunch of other wild stories, poured gasoline on his foot and burned it. Surely there are scars and medical treatment. If you can show me pictures of Damien's feet with burn scars on it, I might give the other stories some consideration. Until then, all the stories are no different than the boogie man stories my parents told me.

 

[kyleb]

So it seems your position is that as long as Echols never burned his foot in such a way as to leave scars, then he couldn't have burned his foot at all, and everything Littrell said should be disregarded, eh?

 

[reedus23]

So it seems your potion is that as long as Echols never burned his foot in such a way as to leave scars, then he couldn't have burned his foot at all, and everything Littrell said should be disregarded, eh?

No, I'm saying give me one concrete piece of evidence to substantiate the claims. Until I'm given such, I will continue to believe such stories are no different than the ones my parents told me about the boogie man.

 

[kyleb]

And how is your position here any different than those deny all the evidence which suggests Michael Jackson was a pedophile, or those who deny the evidence which substantiates evolution?

 

[reedus23]

And how is your position here any different than those deny all the evidence which suggests Michael Jackson was a pedophile, or those who deny the evidence which substantiates evolution?

I'm guessing that means there is none?

 

[kyleb]

Rather, one can dismiss all the evidence of anything as fabricated and/or misconstrued while insisting some hypothetical "one concrete piece of evidence" would convince them otherwise. I mean really, even if Echols was proven to have burn scars on one of his feet, that wouldn't stop you from dismissing all the other witness statements regarding Echols as meaningless, let alone get you to acknowledge the other evidence which connects him to to them murders and demonstrates motive, would it?

 

[reedus23]

Rather, one can dismiss all the evidence of anything as fabricated and/or misconstrued while insisting some hypothetical "one concrete piece of evidence" would convince them otherwise. I mean really, even if Echols was proven to have burn scars on one of his feet, that wouldn't stop you from dismissing all the other witness statements regarding Echols as meaningless, let alone get you to acknowledge the other evidence which connects him to to them murders and demonstrates motive, would it?

Yes, I will dismiss all the boogie man stories unless and until I see some corroborating evidence to support them. It is way to easy to talk about babies hanging in trees and great danes having their intestines taken out without it ever having happened. I thought this would be one boogie man story that, if true, could be relatively simple to corroborate to this day. I may not believe all the stories if it were proven that he has burn scars, but it would certainly make me think a lot longer and harder about them. Until then though, yes I will acknowledge them but yes I will also dismiss them as boogie man stories.

Regarding the other evidence against Damien, I think we have a whole thread where not just me, but everyone, has acknowledged the evidence presented against Damien. In fact, last I checked, I was asking you to provide us with one more piece of evidence you alluded to. So your statement that I haven't acknowledged it is about as wrong as you can get. Now, if you said that I think that all that evidence is problematic or weak, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you.