Dan Rassier: Former POI **Wrongly accused**

[Sasquatch321]

Orrrr...they're just covering their butts & need SOMETHING to report to the public..

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lol really? Are we really that bad?

 

[dexter75]

lol really? Are we really that bad?

What do you mean?

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[pittsburghgirl]

In general, LE seems to assume that the public understands that many people, including family members, friends, neighbors of the victim, and those in proximity to the crime scene, will be investigated. LE was always on the wrong track with DR, but some investigators get tunnel vision. The work of the blogger who refocused on the Paynesville assaults and ELOCsoul brought the investigation back to suspects that had a record of sexual deviancy. In all these years, nothing has come out about DR. He's just the unfortunate man who was alone in the house on the day in question. Once LE says they have a new POI, they assume that the public understands that means that others who were investigated are not involved. The FBI is not going to call a press conference to clear people. The interest in Heinrich pretty much does that.

 

[Sasquatch321]

In general, LE seems to assume that the public understands that many people, including family members, friends, neighbors of the victim, and those in proximity to the crime scene, will be investigated. LE was always on the wrong track with DR, but some investigators get tunnel vision. The work of the blogger who refocused on the Paynesville assaults and ELOCsoul brought the investigation back to suspects that had a record of sexual deviancy. In all these years, nothing has come out about DR. He's just the unfortunate man who was alone in the house on the day in question. Once LE says they have a new POI, they assume that the public understands that means that others who were investigated are not involved. The FBI is not going to call a press conference to clear people. The interest in Heinrich pretty much does that.

So the cadaver dog hit on his property, the chest with some type of blood on it, becoming the prime suspect in 2004 and then publicly named in 2010 during the dig, ongoing testing of items from the search, Patty and LE asking him to confess, LE telling him he is lying, and the fact he is still a poi means nothing or zero?

 

[ELOCsoul]

So the cadaver dog hit on his property, the chest with some type of blood on it, becoming the prime suspect in 2004 and then publicly named in 2010 during the dig, ongoing testing of items from the search, Patty and LE asking him to confess, LE telling him he is lying, and the fact he is still a poi means nothing or zero?

Correct. The shift from the tire tracks and shoe prints, which they knew in1990 were very likely to be Danny Heinrich's, to DR was hastily made. I doubt they even considered the difference in tire size or manufacturer.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Correct. The shift from the tire tracks and shoe prints, which they knew were very likely to be Danny Heinrich's, to DR was hastily made. I doubt they even considered the difference in tire size or manufacturer.

Hastily made? Is that a fact? You doubt but do you know?

 

[ELOCsoul]

Hastily made? Is that a fact? You doubt but do you know?

It's rather apparent given all the facts we know.

 

[Sasquatch321]

It's rather apparent given all the facts we know.

How about you list out ten of those facts right now?

 

[Sasquatch321]

1. The gag order
2. The confiscated items
3. He is still a POI
4. A cadaver dog hit
5. LE says he's lying, changing his stories. We don't know why.

6. Patty asks him to confess, noone else.
7. LE asks him to confess, "they know he did it"

8. LE switched to a perp on foot 14 years after matching heinrich to the scene.

9. LE names DR a POI before Heinrich.

10. LE and new investigators, the fbi, the bca, and team adam forgot about heinrich and the matching tire and footprints.

 

[human]

1. The gag order
2. The confiscated items
3. He is still a POI
4. A cadaver dog hit
5. LE says he's lying, changing his stories. We don't know why.

6. Patty asks him to confess, noone else.
7. LE asks him to confess, "they know he did it"

8. LE switched to a perp on foot 14 years after matching heinrich to the scene.

9. LE names DR a POI before Heinrich.

10. LE and new investigators, the fbi, the bca, and team adam forgot about heinrich and the matching tire and footprints.

All very strange. So many people over so many years.

 

[marble]

1. The gag order
It's likely that DR knows things now based on LE's line of questioning that the general public does not. It's also likely that the department is saving face after all these years of targeting the wrong man.

2. The confiscated items
The detectives had DR in their sights from early on since *it happened on his property*. Of course they are going to confiscate his stuff, he was a person of interest who needed to be looked at carefully given he was home alone that night.

3. He is still a POI
No, they haven't publicly cleared him.

4. A cadaver dog hit
PLEASE someone provide a link to this. I've seen one blogger (not a journalist by any stretch) who has posted this as being so, saying they read that somewhere but I have searched and searched and can't find anything in MSM to back up that claim.

5. LE says he's lying, changing his stories. We don't know why.
Who is LE saying this to? From what I've read DR may have remembered more as time went on about what he saw and experienced that night- but I have yet to see anything that can't be attributed to how memory works instead of subterfuge.

6. Patty asks him to confess, noone else.
What does that have to do with his supposed guilt? He didn't confess, did he? He told her he was innocent. Who else did LE try in the media? Who else is she going to ask to confess? There were no other people LE was putting out there. They had tunnel vision.

7. LE asks him to confess, "they know he did it"
Uhhhh, LE tells innocent people to confess all the time. They were trying to pressure him into confessing to something he didn't do. What is so difficult about this to understand?


8. LE switched to a perp on foot 14 years after matching heinrich to the scene.
LE dropped the ball. Whoops.


9. LE names DR a POI before Heinrich.
And? So what? It's looking extremely likely that Heinrich is their man. He was a POI early, then they got tunnel vision on DR and tried to make the clues fit him before returning back to consider the tire tracks and matching them to Heinrich.


10. LE and new investigators, the fbi, the bca, and team adam forgot about heinrich and the matching tire and footprints.
Yup, looks like they screwed up and ruined an innocent man's life in the process.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

We don't know what LE said to Patty Wetterling that led her to appeal to DR or whether the family just simply fixed on DR because no one else was in sight. I put almost no stock in what families say when they have no first-hand access to the forensic evidence or to the larger picture that LE can have of a community. I've been reading about several others cases that writers are reviving, including the Oakland County Child Killer case and the murder of a young child, Beth Lynn Barr, in Wilkinsburg, PA, bordering Pittsburgh. The sheer number of pedophiles in proximity to these murders is jaw-dropping. Families simply do not have access to all the information available to law enforcement. ELOCsoul's book points to the puzzling refocusing of the case on DR. Look: this is a small town police department, one that tried hard to find Jacob and truly cared about the outcome of the case. But if you read a lot about resolved cold cases, ELOCsoul is on point with his observation that the answer is usually there in the early investigation but the pieces don't get put together correctly. Or someone high up in the investigation gets a fixed idea and can't let it go. Or when the answer doesn't come within that 48-72 hour window, or after the first 6 months or a year, the idea that the case will never be solved worms its way into public consciousness, including the police department. It's a form of groupthink that can prevent the intuitive leaps and connection making necessary to seeing patterns and interpreting data in new ways. And if a crime changes the behavior of the criminal, if there isn't a new case to add to what LE already knows because the criminal gets spooked or leaves the jurisdiction or the fantasy shifts, it gets harder and harder to turn up new leads.

Marble points to the lack of MSM sourcing on the cadaver dog story. There was no forensic evidence of a murder at the kidnap scene. There was indication that Jacob was taken away in a vehicle. So if, indeed, a cadaver dog hit, I would question the reliability of the dog. Meanwhile, a link to a mainstream media report would be useful.

 

[Sasquatch321]

So that didn't work, lets get back to what works for everyone-Heinrich

No gun, no black nylons, no boots. The crime scene is only showing 10 percent of the field, one unsized footprint in which the pattern is consistent with heinrichs shoe, wait I thought it was black boots? One of 4 tires on heinrichs car that we can try to match to pattern on the driveway via a paused media video, but I don't see the match happening. Also stopped short of conclusive but consistent as according to LE. So the best hard evidence is all shoddy at best. Onto Circumstancial-in both Jareds and Jacobs case there was a sexual assault and kidnapping. Back to DR, copycat crime of the century? Perhaps and he is a teacher. So it is looking like this for now, nothing concrete on either DR or Heinrich, but LE has more information. One of them is going to fall for this soon.

 

[dexter75]

Very well worded pittsburghgirl :cheers:


When Patty appealed to DR, Heinrich had not been confirmed/identified as Jared's attacker. Along with everything LE was feeding her, the press, etc.

I also believe Heinrich did not intend to KILL Jacob. As has been discussed here before, Jacob probably fought/tried to escape, and Heinrich killed him.

I DO believe that THIS incident is the reason Heinrich most likely stopped. It scared the s*it out of him! ( He got spooked, as you stated above )

 

[Sasquatch321]

Hopefully we can speak for Jacob soon and show this guy that we don't even need him to talk. Neither one is ever going to talk.

 

[1911ss]

Cadaver dog is false information, spreading lies about the case doesn't help

 

[nmogren]

Cadaver dog is false information, spreading lies about the case doesn't help

No, this is true.


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[Arnie M]

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Keep in mind a cadaver dog is trained to scent for dead bodies (of course) ... but blood or vomit (etc) can also cause them to alert.

Furthermore , most people pass away in their homes , older homes often have many people who have passed , and by definition all of them were cadavers.

Point is , just because a dog (may have) alerted in the Rassier home could mean absolutely nothing when it comes to Jacob

 

[human]

Interesting re cadaver dogs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...th-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

 

[human]

Very interesting story on cadaver dogs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aver-dog-helped-track-remains-200-people.html