Darlie Routier asks for DNA testing

[Goody]

The silly string party is one example. Just like I said Darlie didn't percieve things the way you might think. She didn't think it inappropriate to have a memorial party for the boys. I have heard it described as "dancing on their graves".
To me this is Darlie in grief and one of the 1st steps denial.
She is having a hard time coping with the boys death and the party is a way for her to spend some time with them. I imagine if more time had passed before she was arrested she would have always lavished flowers on their graves. She was lost, without her 2 boys.

O, bull, no one who has lost a child, esp one so suddenly, and even more esp one so brutally could possibly believe such nonsense. That girl was not in grieve mode as she sprayed silly string around. She was performing for the cameras because in some off balanced way she thought it would represent her well. Huge mistake, granted, but don't try to pee on our legs and tell us it is raining as Judge Judy's father used to say. Call a spade a spade. Darlie's friends try to tell us how sensitive she was but her behavior wreaks of detachment and insenstivity.

The prosecution did call it "dancing on their graves." That was their interpretation of what they saw. Hardly a lie because they honestly believed that is what she was doing. A lot of people did. I am inclined to think her actions were more about the cameras than the boys. The whole thing was prearranged. She knew they were there because she told them to be there for the interview she had promised them earlier in exchange for paying for the hotel bills for her out of town family.

She was going thru one of the 1 st stages of grief.DENIAL- she's still hanging on to earthly things like birthday parties for the boys, she knows they are in heaven but she can't let go.

No, she skipped over that one at the scene when she kept screaming my kids are dying and they are dead. When my son died, I couldn't even say the word "dead". (I was about Darlie's age, btw, and he was Devon's age.) No matter how badly a child is injured, parents don't automatically jump to the conclusion that they are gone. We expect medical people to perform miracles. Sorry, but there is no excuse under the sun that can explain away what she was doing that day or where her head was at.

What it does show is acceptance, the same acceptance shown on the night of the murders. Acceptance that was much, much too early. And that, my friend, indicates the parent has come to terms with the death BEFORE it happened.

But there is no need to focus on it because it does not play an important role in deciding guilt. It might be frosting on the cake for some, but it is not the deciding factor, that is for sure. Its value lies in AFTER guilt is decided, one can then analyze her actions for some insight into what might lie behind them. So it doesn't matter what the prosecutor said she was doing that day. Anyone over the age of 10 can see that for themselves.

If she was a cold blooded killer and self obsessed she would have shown up dressed to the nines with her hair big and lots of make up to hide that scar. Now thats she killed her boys she has more time for herself. Isn't that what they made her out to be. New clothes for the party, etc.
What does she wear- cut offs, hair limp in need of roots done, that was Darlie's little make up look at the grave, I've seen the tape she isn't a dressed up Darlie I've seen her wear more make up to go shopping.

Defendants and their supporters always jump to the he/she wouldn't do this or that; he/she is too smart or too dump to do this or that, etc. You can't predict what someone will or won't do. You can only judge them by what they do and occassionally but very carefully by what they don't do, esp if common sense dictates a certain probability. Whether someone would wear cutoffs or a designer outfit to the cemetery to perform for a local TV camera might seem an easy predictor to you, but it does nothing for me. Maybe she thought she looked sexy in the cutoffs. From Darlie's perspective that scar is a grim reminder that she too was a victim. I think it would be to her best advantage to flaunt it as much as possible, esp in light of the fact that the local media were shifting suspicion to her at the time the video was taken. As I recall local sentiment was not on her side. People calling into talk shows and such were weighing heavily against her, weren't they?

Funeral:Many people have commented that music that was selected was inappropriate. Darlie did not provide the music nor did she pick it out. Her sister Dana did and has regretted it ever since. I don't care if these boys favorite song was Strawberry Roan by Marty Robbins, Or some heavy metal sound that makes your fillings fall out and the back of your neck hurt.

It was their favorite song. Kids change like the wind so hold on to those little ones a little tighter, they will change and grow so fast. Just like popular music every couple of months hits come and go. The song like most things kids like are a flavor of the month.

Again, this is not compelling evidence that she is guilty and goes to nothing but to show her/their lack of feeling, which I suppose could go to show consciousness of guilt. I haven't spent much time at all on this song. I know young people are different today than they were 30 years ago, but I can't imagine letting my kids listen to something about death in the streets and gangsters at age 5 and 6, let alone play something like that at their funeral after they have been brutally murdered right in front of me. Maybe if I lived in the inner city and gang violence was a daily reality, but not out in the suburbs where their biggest worry was which designer jeans to wear.

However, I will admit my judgment at age 27 was not as sharp as it was in my 30s and 40s, so maybe they just lacked soemthing in that department period. Other than cause a little gasp, this didn't make much of an impression on me. I was more interested in the bottomline evidence, which focusing on the state's insults to the family, detracts seriously from what really points to guilt in this case.

What do you mean, I lie for her. I haven't told you anything untrue about her or myself and everything else is just an opinon that can change. I feel bullied by that post. I ask why a poster felt threatened because calling me MEAN AND CRUEL, for telling the truth is an attack, people tend to attack when they feel threatened.

I don't think this one addresses my post so I will move on. If it does, refresh my memory.

Being honest about Darlie means admitting her faults she is human too. In fact she looks pretty innocent to me knowing her and how she reacted to the situation. Seems like normal Darlie.

Maybe it is in some respects, but there are things we do as humans that uniquely bind us. Like dogs have certain reactions to certain events that are very similar all the while maintaining totally individual personalities, so do we. We are the same in some respects. We don't follow each other step by step like robots, but we do things that can fit into certain categories. When we are happy, we express it in some way. Some of us laugh heartily, some giggle, some smile, some just purse their lips a bit and blush but we can still see the happiness in their facial expressions, the way their eyes dance, etc. No one who is happy walks around grumbling and griping and scowling all the time. If I were to try to convince you that someone who did was really happy, that he just couldn't express it the same as everyone else, you would scoff at me. Why? Because we know the old grump probably has ulcers and lives a horribly lonely life as no one could stand to be around him.

Same goes with grief. The first stage of it is denial. We see it all the time when someone is told their loved one has died, they scream "No" and fall to the floor. Sometimes they go on and say, "But I just talked to him an hour ago. He was fine. This can't be true." Darlie took one look at her kids and just assumed they were either dead or dying. It did not appear to even enter her head that they might be saved. And there was Darin, never once telling her to apply pressure to Damon's wounds, or not to wet towels because with his first aid experience he KNEW not to wet towels. There was never any doubt in Darlie's mind that these boys were going to die. She didn't even ask about them at the hospital. If that is not acceptance, I don't know what is. Correct me if I am wrong, acceptance is the final stage of grief, is it not? That tells me that she spent some time in the weeks before this crime adjusting to the loss emotionally.

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The testimony of Basia, and Barbara, could have been impeached, That lady was a nut I heard. I heard she and her daughter tried to throw a baby out the window of a moving car. I think thats in MTJD She is at least an attempted child killer and should be prosecuted if she really did it.

You live in Texas. Why don't you get us the info on that? If it is true, there should be some kind of court action. That is public information if it is not in juvenile court system.

The media attention to the case was watched by myself and witnessed across America. A fight outside the courtroom occured with the prosecution calling the defendants family trailor trash. I can't imagine a lawyer involved in a Death Penalty case being so badly behaved. I expected better- didn't he realize that because the family was outside the courtroom it would only be after it was over that they would be able to see the forensic evidence. You see I think if he had handled it better and the forensics had been the majority of the trial then all this would be over. No one could say Darlie was hung by Silly String. THE JURY VIEWED IT 6 TIMES AND HE PROTRAYED IT AS DANCING ON THEIR GRAVES. He didn't have to go there if the forensics proved it. He could made his case less emotionally charged in compassion for the boys and the surviving family, they didn't kill them. They would want to know and if he could have convinced them with stong evidence Mama Darlie wouldn't be a thorn in his side right now. He could have gotton a stronger conviction with less controversy had he relied upon his experts, the blood evidence that is available looks pretty bad for Darlie. Why didn't he, is what makes me suspicious, did they ignore clues because Darlie presented herself so easily to their rifle sights, or was the same old story these tests costs so much and so does a trial the budget is only ........ I hate that that even occurs in police work.

I don't blame you or the family for being hurt by these things. It seems all court cases are laced with this type of stuff, and some of it probably isn't needed but it often comes in anyway. Most families feel just as you do that it is not fair or that it is misrepresented. But I think most juries are capable of forming their own opinions on it. Just recently they brought in the sexual experiences of Cody Posey to show he was not as naive and isolated as he claimed, but I don't think it had much of an impact on the jury. The bottomline for them was whether he committed cold blooded murder or not. The same here. If you get caught up on the emotional issues in this case, you will never be able to see the truth in it. It doesn't matter what kind of person Darlie was. It only matters if she committed the crime or not.

I have already decided her guilt so I feel I can move on to who she really was and what kind of mother she really was now. That is what I would like to hear about. If you know any of her friends who might want to email me or post here about that, I would love it. Just PM me and I will send you my email addy.

 

[Goody]

There was a pube found at the crime scene! Considering Darlie's obsessive vacumming habits a pube is a pretty good find, Yes she reports her panties missing so it could be hers or someone elses.
I mean come on a pube is pretty convincing evidence that whom ever it belongs to well at least their was there.

No doubt about it part of them could be hanging out the window with Skin Head, CRACK SMOKIN, Circus Clowns wearing Bugle Boy jeans and carrying 2x4s. HEY WE GOT A DESCIPTION ISSUE AN APB.
The owner of the pube is ............... we got ya, your was there!

The pubic hair is one of the weakest pieces they found. It could have been tracked in by anyone. Shoot, Darin could have picked it up in the parking area of his shop and brought it home with him/ Hair is easy to transfer. Even if someone could be proven to be the intruder and Darlie is finally exonerated that pubic hair would likely never be identified to anyone. Every crime scene has evidence that cannot be linked to anyone or even to the crime. This is one of those things, imo.

The prosecution didn't answer this question for me so Thats why I find myself sitting on the fence. Not sure that she really did it and still looking for clues. The clues I'm looking for are in the crime scene evidence. A lot of stuff got tested but I think if it didn't point DIRECTLY to Darlie is was ignored. One of the theories put forth here and by others was this was more a a single person crime. That could mean Darlie's intruders, an accomplice to Darlie, Darin and Darlie together, Darin with an accomplice. If this is possible to people who look at this crime and think Darlie did it but with help then why didn't the police see this too, hold off a little and nail 2 instead of one.

What happened to the jeans Darin was wearing, was the blood tested? why was he not a equal suspect to Darlie.

Darin is not a suspect because what little crime scene evidence they had on him matched his story; Darlie's did not. However, that doesn't mean that the police do not believe in their heart of hearts that he was involved.

Susan Smith killed her kids in a way that allowed her to remove her self or detach herself from them. She only pushed the car into the water the drowning is what killed them. This doesn't remove her from culpability it just allowed her in her head to remove herself from her kids long enough to kill them.Killing with a knife is rare in Mother/Child killings and those that have done it have confessed and many had extreme drug problems, broken marriages, history of mental illness etc.It is very rare and seen more in women of different racial, and socio-economic backgrounds than Darlie.

Have you read Flowers in the Attic? It is a fictional piece, but does depict in an extreme way what happens when women go thru life altering events and how they can turn on even their own flesh and blood. I agree that Darlie's case is not as common as drownings or smotherings or poisonings between mother and child but I think that might be a clue that her motives were probably very different from most child murders committed by mom. The one thing she does have in common with Susan Smith though, imo, is that Susan was always known to be a very loving, hands on kind of mom. She took her parenting responsibilites seriously. Probably much more diligently than Darlie did as I suspect that Darlie's parenting skills were divided and not as hands on as some people might have thought.

Susan Smith confessed after police pressure, Darlie still to this day contends she is innocent, she saw someone in the house and that person killed her boys. Susan Smith was a single mother with out the family network of support both Darlie and Darin had. Darlie's case isn't really like any other case out there. It really is hard to compare it to any other case too. Darlie's case is an anomally . It is very different than any mother/child killing I have looked into.

Have you read the psychological report on the hypnosis Darlie underwent a couple of years ago. Maybe a little longer than that. She completely changes her story about what occurred on the couch.

The arguments for guilt as made by goody and beesy are exactly the type of questions that I want answered and they have been answering them. I'm leaning their way despite my doubts about her guilt. I'm still looking at everything and would appreciate a more though exam by experts cause none of us are. The questions of cast off, and other interpretations of the blood evidence. Goody has posted and so has beesy some great links to how crime scene evidence is interpreted. I intend to study them more.

Glad we are helping. Not that my intention is to change your mind. If anything, I only want to point out what I have learned. I have never studied any case as thoroughtly as this one and there is much on it that I still haven't studied.

 

[SnootyVixen]

Rattlesnake, Goody speak with forked tongue. Actually all speak with forked tongue. They want all the personal info you can give them on Darlie and her family so they can add it to the fuel when they ridicule and write their know it all despicable posts about them. Please don't tell them a thing more. They are using you and they will such you dry and toss away the husk and move on. And also it's fun to keep them in the dark about so much that they want to know. So have a little fun. If you will send me your email by IM I will send you to a Darlie forum you will like better.
This bunch of people has been together for years now and all totally believe her to be guilty and so every newcomer only gets the guilty side when learning about the case. Sorry Beesy but you never had a chance at a balanced view. And this group seems to never get it's fill of posting to each other about what a horrible mother Darlie was, and what great mother's they are. What a vicious killer Darlie was and how they never would do something like that. How trampy Darlie looked and how lady like they all look. How ugly Darin is and how handsome their husbands are etc...etc...etc. I think you get the picture.
Except for Jeana. I do have to say this about Jeana. She's a nice person and she's actually a beautiful woman with nice kids and a hunka hunka hubby. But I think she's more convinced of Darlie's guilt because of her friendship with Toby Shook than her own reasoning. JMO though. Her I like.

But this ain't the place for you Rattlesnake.

 

[justice2]

Have you read the psychological report on the hypnosis Darlie underwent a couple of years ago. Maybe a little longer than that. She completely changes her story about what occurred on the couch.

Goody, where would this be? Please.

 

[SnootyVixen]

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Beesy here you are speaking of the question of were two knives used. And you say that you trust the ME. Do you actually know what it was that the ME concluded and testified to? It was that they could not determine whether two knives were used or not.

Also, you trust the word of the experts and ME's. Are you aware that the defense's expert ME was Dr. Vincent DiMaio, world renown forensic pathologist who writes the textbooks that are used to teach forensic pathologists? He is the ME for a different county in Texas and his father is or was (if he has retired) the ME for NYC. He testified that Darlie's wounds were defensive and that if he were doing an autopsy on her body he would have listed them and put in parenthesis beside them (defensive). But all on this board choose to throw away this very learned man's opinions because they are for the defense. Never mind that the prosecution uses him all the time but they didn't hire him in time. So the prosecution thinks well of him. He has tremendous years of experience and the ME's who did the autopsies on the little ones had only a very few years. They choose to believe that this very prominant man is basically just a trial who can be bought for the highest price. I find that shameful.

 

[SnootyVixen]

Beesy, this is something that I would appreciate an answer for. How do you know that the towels were not wet? This is what I know about the towels. If you know more please say so. I know that about 26 were collected into evidence although all were not tested. I know that even with that more were left behind. I know that when questioned on the witness stand James Cron said that the towels were bloody. I know that the criminologist did not get around to testing them for quite a few days. Long past the time they would have needed to dry out. In fact I think that with bloody things they deliberately hang them up or lay them out somewhere as they want them to be dry. SO HOW IS IT THAT YOU AND THE REST OF THE BUNCH ARE SO VERY SURE THAT THESE TOWELS WERE NEVER WET? Some could have been dry and some wet, especially with the large number of towels involved.[/B]

 

[SnootyVixen]

[ I already told you about the black car. It was looked into. [/b][/color]

Rattlesnake, I don't know what it was that Beesy already told you about the black car, but if you will go to the website www.justicefordarlie.org they have posted the police sheets that are filled out when they get a phone call reporting something and you can see all the calls they got about a suspicious black car around Darlie's house. Calls that they never did anything about and never admitted to. These were obtained through the freedom of information act.

. Darlie was not trying to escape through an unfamiliar garage piled high with junk. [/b][/color]
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While it's true that the garage had a lot of junk in it the area from the window to the door leading to the utility room had a clear path. This was the route the little boys used going in and out of the garage. It had things knocked over however when the police got there. Suspiciously like someone had maybe run through there and knocked into something? And also on the path outside the window to the gate there was a lawn chair overturned which was never mentioned at all in the investigators report or in the trial, not even the defense mentioned it.

 

[Goody]

Rattlesnake, Goody speak with forked tongue. Actually all speak with forked tongue.

Totally not true and you know it! Already causing trouble I see. It is not enough that we welcome you in spite of your mean spirited history with us, but you gotta try to spread discension here. You should be ashamed. Don't believe a word he says, Rattle. Do your research and form your own opinions.

They want all the personal info you can give them on Darlie and her family so they can add it to the fuel when they ridicule and write their know it all despicable posts about them. Please don't tell them a thing more. They are using you and they will such you dry and toss away the husk and move on.

He doesn't want you to know the truth, Rattle. He is trying to lure you away to their den of spin so you can be fed doctored up "truth" and they can keep you distracted from the real issues at hand here. I know you are too intelligent to be suckered that easily, but just a word of warning. Jeff desperately wants Darlie to be innocent. Have you started that book yet, Jeffie? Maybe one about the "real Darlie" or why the death penalty should be outlawed? CWB could publish it for you. Do tell us where we can pick up a copy. We are your number one fans after all, even if you don't like us.

And also it's fun to keep them in the dark about so much that they want to know. So have a little fun. If you will send me your email by IM I will send you to a Darlie forum you will like better.

LOL! I am sure you think it is better. Where are they hiding these days? In some private forum where no one who thinks she is guilty can sign up???? Is that the same group who were copying PMs and sending them around to each other, embarrassing posters not part of the clique. Thank goodness I never participated in those many forums they have had that all go belly up for one reason or another. I am all for supporting people who are convicted but not at the expense of the truth. If Darlie committed this crime, lying about it won't make her not guilty. If she didn't, lying about it will only make her look more guilty. So best to be stand up about it. Can you handle a little straight forward honesty or does it all have to be cloak and dagger for you?

This bunch of people has been together for years now

No, we haven't. I don't think I have been here even one year yet.

and all totally believe her to be guilty and so every newcomer only gets the guilty side when learning about the case.

Welll, I guess that is true, but that is only because people who believe her to be innocent are so scarce. If supporters wanted an open and honest debate, I am sure they could weigh in here or at GAC and get just that. Sure, some will pounce, but not all of us do. Give us something to chew on and we will join in. Although I gotta admit, my interest is beginning to fade a bit.

Sorry Beesy but you never had a chance at a balanced view. And this group seems to never get it's fill of posting to each other about what a horrible mother Darlie was, and what great mother's they are. What a vicious killer Darlie was and how they never would do something like that. How trampy Darlie looked and how lady like they all look. How ugly Darin is and how handsome their husbands are etc...etc...etc. I think you get the picture.

No one has ever said she was a horrible mother, but we have discussed evidence we have run across that shows she was not the perfect mom people like you want to promote. You just can't handle anything negative about her unless you can call her dumb or naive because that is all so cute and cuddly, isn't it?

Yes, we crack a joke now and then that is not flattering, but you ought to be able to handle that if you can call her dumb and naive. Like it somehow excuses bad behavior.

Except for Jeana. I do have to say this about Jeana. She's a nice person and she's actually a beautiful woman with nice kids and a hunka hunka hubby. But I think she's more convinced of Darlie's guilt because of her friendship with Toby Shook than her own reasoning. JMO though. Her I like.

Did you hear that, Jeana? You aren't smart enough or independent enough to think for yourself. You need Toby to do it for you. I don't think she is going to see that as a compliment. Only the ego that ate Houston would think she would. :banghead:

But this ain't the place for you Rattlesnake.

Something tells me that Rattle can think for herself as well. Of course, she could do both, I suppose. Is that allowed in your little clique? We certainly have no objection, do we, Jeana?

 

[Goody]

Goody, you really are a pompous doofus. Where on earth did you get the stupid idea that I was Jeff????? And now the rest of the doofus's think I'm Jeff

You said you were Jeff. Plus you keep using his favorite word "pompous." If you aren't Jeff, email me who you are and I will drop it if I believe you. :blowkiss:

 

[Goody]

Beesy here you are speaking of the question of were two knives used. And you say that you trust the ME. Do you actually know what it was that the ME concluded and testified to? It was that they could not determine whether two knives were used or not.

Also, you trust the word of the experts and ME's. Are you aware that the defense's expert ME was Dr. Vincent DiMaio, world renown forensic pathologist who writes the textbooks that are used to teach forensic pathologists? He is the ME for a different county in Texas and his father is or was (if he has retired) the ME for NYC. He testified that Darlie's wounds were defensive and that if he were doing an autopsy on her body he would have listed them and put in parenthesis beside them (defensive). But all on this board choose to throw away this very learned man's opinions because they are for the defense. Never mind that the prosecution uses him all the time but they didn't hire him in time. So the prosecution thinks well of him. He has tremendous years of experience and the ME's who did the autopsies on the little ones had only a very few years. They choose to believe that this very prominant man is basically just a trial who can be bought for the highest price. I find that shameful.

Actually, I need to go back and reread Dr DiMaio's testimony because you are right. He is very highly respected in his field, something I did not appreciate the first time out. The fact that he says he would list Darlie's wounds as defense wounds in an autopsy does not mean they were actually defense wounds, though I am inclined to believe she got everything but the neck wound during the crime. Cami thinks the arm wound was deliberate as do others here. I think it could be either or. Nonetheless, it wouldn't change my mind about her role in the crime. BTW, Can the assailant also get defense wounds?

 

[justice2]

I'm sure you are aware that the boys do not have a stone marker, just a little metal thing. But you know that. I'm sure you've been there.

I remember seeing a double headstone in one of the media stories, had a motorcyle I think at the top.

And speaking of media at justicefordarlie, is there a way to download those so I can watch them on my computer while not hooked up to their site. The video on them stop about halfway through, but the audio keeps going. Anybody else have the same problem?

 

[Goody]

I remember seeing a double headstone in one of the media stories, had a motorcyle I think at the top.

And speaking of media at justicefordarlie, is there a way to download those so I can watch them on my computer while not hooked up to their site. The video on them stop about halfway through, but the audio keeps going. Anybody else have the same problem?

Someone else will have to weigh in there for you. I still have dial up and can't hear most of it. But cable soon, soon, I swear.

You are right about the headstone. There is a photo somewhere that shows a headstone with an airplane on one side and something else on the other, maybe a motorcycle. It was donated to them, was it not? I think it is at one of those sites for murdered children.

 

[Goody]

Don't kid me Darlie could be a silver tongued devil when she got old enough to join the womens circle at the table with her mother and her mothers friends. She teased plenty and was quick with a comeback. I never got my feelings truly hurt and she never did either. Some of it was hilarous, None of the close women friends was abusive to Darlie. Its probably the same stuff you do with your close friends. Darlie would tease us older women about gravity and such.
We would tease her about being young dumb and not really a true blonde. That wasn't they only conversations we had at the table, playing cards usually, but its the ones I remember most cause we were happy and we were ALL laughing. It was good times not bad. Thats what I mean about y'all reading into what I say what you want it to mean not what it really is. Haven't you ever been to a HEN PARTY-- I mean thats all it is in the beauty parlor in Steel Magnolias

Darlie never had a dark side in her childhood years, she could socialize with her own peers as well as older friends of the family. She was self assured enough to give and take in all relationships she had, her marriage, her friends, her parents friends. Her closest friends have always been her sisters. Her Mom was her best friend when she got older. Just like mine is to me now. She'll never lie to me, she's my mama.

This stuff is great but I am really interested in the changes she may have been going through in the last months before the crime, even the last year or so.

One thing I am curious about though, I have always thought she secretly suffered from depression as a child. As you know there are some heritary links to depression and it is not all that unusual for a child to feel sad without knowing why. It might not be noticed by others as often the presence of others can make a child either feel up or project up reactions to things because he or she feels that is what is expected. Darlie did have some life changing events. Her parents divorcing, moving back and forth between PA and TX a couple of times. Can you look back and see anything like that possibly in the works?

 

[beesy]

Actually everyone had to have an aerial antennae 35 years ago, and to get channel 28 and (there was a channel 34 also added many many years ago) UHF, one of those little circle antennaes had to be hooked up on the back of the television. All this was years and years ago. The mall was built around the late 70's but no one would make jokes about or even know Darlie now. Houses and neighborhoods sprang up South of town as far back as 30 years ago. I know because I was looking at some of them back then. I just think it is odd to mention things that were going on in Lubbock 35 years ago instead of now and don't know how it really applies to Darlie.

How are the hospital facilities there? Do you have to order tests yourself?

 

[beesy]

You are right about the headstone. There is a photo somewhere that shows a headstone with an airplane on one side and something else on the other, maybe a motorcycle. It was donated to them, was it not? I think it is at one of those sites for murdered children

Then it must be fairly new. I'm sure it was donated, otherwise it wouldn't be there. Jane should know when it was put in. In case she doesn't I sent an email to the submitter of this photo. Maybe he'll go back out there for us.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Routier&GSfn=Damon&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GSob=n&GRid=6370341&

 

[Goody]

Goody, you really are a pompous doofus. Where on earth did you get the stupid idea that I was Jeff????? And now the rest of the doofus's think I'm Jeff

Incidentally, Jeff, I have a bone to pick with you. In one of these threads you said we WSers post bad stuff about the family. I have never said one unkind word about the family that I can recall. Nothing at all. I have even taken up for DK, who is about the only family ever discussed here, unless you are counting Darin. I get the stuffing kicked out of me for saying the positive things I do say about Darlie and her family, which might not be as positive to you as it is to some of my fellow posters here who don't take too kindly to sympathy for the defendant and their supporters. So you should eat those words, my fair weather friend.

 

[txsvicki]

How are the hospital facilities there? Do you have to order tests yourself?

Lol. The teaching hospital is a good place to be for trauma. My daughter was in an accident once, had a head injury, and ended up in ICU for several days. I wasn't allowed back there in the ER at all even though I had ridden in the ambulance with her.

 

[SnootyVixen]

Then it must be fairly new. I'm sure it was donated, otherwise it wouldn't be there. Jane should know when it was put in. In case she doesn't I sent an email to the submitter of this photo. Maybe he'll go back out there for us.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Routier&GSfn=Damon&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GSob=n&GRid=6370341&

That headstone has been there always. and I do not think it was donated. Where are you getting this information?

 

[beesy]

That headstone has been there always. and I do not think it was donated. Where are you getting this information?

The link I posted. It is not a headstone, but a grave marker. I have not seen or heard anything about the headstone Goody and justice are referring to. I do not know if it was donated. I was playing around. All I know about is the grave marker which has been there always, as you said.

 

[deanws]

The link I posted. It is not a headstone, but a grave marker. I have not seen or heard anything about the headstone Goody and justice are referring to. I do not know if it was donated. I was playing around. All I know about is the grave marker which has been there always, as you said.

Beesy, down here in Texas flat markers are common. In fact, some of the newer cemetery's, flat ones are all they allow. You can also buy little vases that screw into the flat markers. They claim that it is easier to keep the cemetery nicer looking...no weeds growing around the headstones. Also, with the high water table along the coast, the upright headstones tend to have to be leveled from time to time.