Darlie Routier's Appeals & Court Rulings

[armywife210]

I feel as though I am being a little ganged up on here for stating my thoughts. I have gone through a lot in my life, and I am barely 30. I am well educated both in professional terms and through more life experience than most anyone sees in their entire life. I am not saying that I know all, but I have no reason to lie to you either. If I "PUSHED anyones buttons" in stating what I have learned to be truth, I am truely sorry you feel that way.

 

[armywife210]

Sorry about all of that. I'm sure most of us have experienced death and grief if we've lived until adulthood. But, I sort of meant a professional article or research, something along those lines.

you asked me what the circumstances were of those deaths. That is what my reply was to.

 

[Mary456]

I just went over to jfd and listened to some of the oral arguments and me thinks Darlie is going to get a new trial......if I was listening to the federal appellate court arguments. Those trial transcripts are bringing up an awful lot of concern with one of the judges. I don't think Rolator is being successful with his argument that nothing was lost. How can he say that with Volume 27 completely missing? Another big issue is the fact that the information in the transcripts couldn't be certified by the new court reporter. Texas may not have a problem with it, but I think these federal judges will. At least one of them does...she is asking too many questions. I wish I could hear the whole thing clearly but I have dial up. I am going to have to make an effort to get cable soon. Anyway, fasten your seat belts, folks. I do think Darlie will have a second chance to beat that needle. It will be interesting to see what she does with this second chance. I hope she is smart enough not to blow it this time. If not, she could end up right back where she is today.



If I'm not mistaken, the CCA hearings had to do with the first 50 pages of Volume 10. That took place in March 2002 and the court ruled that "although Simmons didn't feel comfortable certifying the first 54 pages in Volume 10 without the audiotape, she stated that they were a true and accurate transcription of Halsey's notes of the proceedings."

I'm not sure where you're getting Volume 27.

 

[Goody]

My aunt lost her 4 year old in a car accident. Another aunt lost her 6 year old to leukemia, my best childhood friend died from leukemia, my cousin that was more like my sister died of ovarian cancer, my dad died of stomach cancer that was diagnosed 2 months before his death. One of my best friends in high school died in a car accident. Another of my closest friends in high school was kidnapped, raped, and murdered. My cousin shot himself in the head at the age of 17. My close friends two little boys died in a fire.
That's what I can think of right now. I have seen death. I have grieved and witnessed grief. I have even gone through the grief of my own life ending as I have come close to death more than a couple of times.

And were you celebrating their life in heaven within days of their passing? Or did you need a little more time to get to that point? Did you think the four year old lived "a full life" or did you think he was cheated out of life by some event beyond his control?

 

[beesy]

I feel as though I am being a little ganged up on here for stating my thoughts. I have gone through a lot in my life, and I am barely 30. I am well educated both in professional terms and through more life experience than most anyone sees in their entire life. I am not saying that I know all, but I have no reason to lie to you either. If I "PUSHED anyones buttons" in stating what I have learned to be truth, I am truely sorry you feel that way.

No, not ganging up, just hitting close to some personal issues. I think as often happens on here, we have a difference of opinions. I am also well educated, although not in the medical field. I am sorry you've been through a lot of things at such a young age. I have too, so let's not try to out-grief each other here

 

[armywife210]

agreed. I respect your opinions and your experiences, I hope you will do the same.

 

[beesy]

If I'm not mistaken, the CCA hearings had to do with the first 50 pages of Volume 10. That took place in March 2002 and the court ruled that "although Simmons didn't feel comfortable certifying the first 54 pages in Volume 10 without the audiotape, she stated that they were a true and accurate transcription of Halsey's notes of the proceedings."I'm not sure where you're getting Volume 27

Mary! What's your take on Goody's thoughts of a new trial a brew'n?

 

[Goody]

I feel as though I am being a little ganged up on here for stating my thoughts. I have gone through a lot in my life, and I am barely 30. I am well educated both in professional terms and through more life experience than most anyone sees in their entire life. I am not saying that I know all, but I have no reason to lie to you either. If I "PUSHED anyones buttons" in stating what I have learned to be truth, I am truely sorry you feel that way.

Anytime you state an unpopular opinion folks tend to get real wordy. Please don't take it personally. I am sure you've seen some of my posts really stir it up around here. You should see what "I hope Darlie isn't executed" does.

I have had many experiences, some of which are not unlike yours, but my experience has been that we are all pretty much made alike. We react differently to things, but within a certain range. Darlie just doesn't seem to fit into those ranges and that makes her look all the more guilty.

 

[beesy]

agreed. I respect your opinions and your experiences, I hope you will do the same.

of course

 

[Goody]

I just went over to jfd and listened to some of the oral arguments and me thinks Darlie is going to get a new trial......if I was listening to the federal appellate court arguments. Those trial transcripts are bringing up an awful lot of concern with one of the judges. I don't think Rolator is being successful with his argument that nothing was lost. How can he say that with Volume 27 completely missing? Another big issue is the fact that the information in the transcripts couldn't be certified by the new court reporter. Texas may not have a problem with it, but I think these federal judges will. At least one of them does...she is asking too many questions. I wish I could hear the whole thing clearly but I have dial up. I am going to have to make an effort to get cable soon. Anyway, fasten your seat belts, folks. I do think Darlie will have a second chance to beat that needle. It will be interesting to see what she does with this second chance. I hope she is smart enough not to blow it this time. If not, she could end up right back where she is today.



If I'm not mistaken, the CCA hearings had to do with the first 50 pages of Volume 10. That took place in March 2002 and the court ruled that "although Simmons didn't feel comfortable certifying the first 54 pages in Volume 10 without the audiotape, she stated that they were a true and accurate transcription of Halsey's notes of the proceedings."

I'm not sure where you're getting Volume 27.

There is no Volume 27. Never has been as far as I know.

Also, one of the cops said that not all of the transcripts are posted online. I have always wondered what he meant by that. Is it possible that supporters have not posted everything available? Or was he referring to the problems with the court reporter,etc?

 

[armywife210]

And were you celebrating their life in heaven within days of their passing? Or did you need a little more time to get to that point? Did you think the four year old lived "a full life" or did you think he was cheated out of life by some event beyond his control?

What I felt is different from what her mother felt, or what the rest of our family felt. I am just saying, without trying to be overly confrontational, that everyone DOES grieve differently. Her mom says things like "she is in Heaven playing now" all of the time. She can be at peace with it one moment and crying hysterically the next. The latter happens when no one is around. She can't openly grieve.
Me, I am a fountain. I hit a bunny on the road once, and I cried so hard I had to pull over. Heaven help us when I am pregnant. When someone dies, especially a child, it hurts and I cry. BUT I wear my heart on my sleeve, and never does anyone wonder how I am feeling. We aren't all wired like that.

 

[beesy]

What I felt is different from what her mother felt, or what the rest of our family felt. I am just saying, without trying to be overly confrontational, that everyone DOES grieve differently. Her mom says things like "she is in Heaven playing now" all of the time. She can be at peace with it one moment and crying hysterically the next. The latter happens when no one is around. She can't openly grieve.

I think the question was within a few days was she saying things along the lines of "they are having the biggest party up there and they wouldn't want us to be sad. They lived a long and full life...etc". Saying someone is an angel now or in heaven, even within a few days is different than the things Darlie was saying. You just said the child's mother can be at peace with it one moment and crying the next. Study the interview with Darlie at the gravesite. I see nothing, not even peace. There's nothing there. It's also how she said it. It doesn't ring true, it's just not there. During the party, Goody pointed this out, Darlie acts free! She sees freedom ahead. Freedom from those boys were tying her down, oops, she spoke too soon.

 

[Goody]

What I felt is different from what her mother felt, or what the rest of our family felt. I am just saying, without trying to be overly confrontational, that everyone DOES grieve differently. Her mom says things like "she is in Heaven playing now" all of the time. She can be at peace with it one moment and crying hysterically the next. The latter happens when no one is around. She can't openly grieve.
Me, I am a fountain. I hit a bunny on the road once, and I cried so hard I had to pull over. Heaven help us when I am pregnant. When someone dies, especially a child, it hurts and I cry. BUT I wear my heart on my sleeve, and never does anyone wonder how I am feeling. We aren't all wired like that.

I know that, AW, but it is also too easy to hide behind such statements. You can't judge me because we are all different. In that case, we can't judge anyone so we might as well close the prisons and let people do as they please to each other. We have to have gauges with which to judge things like grief or lack of and other circumstantial evidence because killers aren't usually too keen about confessing. In general, most of us don't use such judgments to determine guilt. Most use other evidence to determine guilt, then come back to the grief issues because such things tend to underline what has already been determined. I am just amazed that you can't see how disassociated she was from her children and the event. I mean, who could stand by and watch their child bleed to death without holding them in their arms? I don't care how badly she was injured, how do you suppose she was able to do that?

 

[armywife210]

I think the question was within a few days was she saying things along the lines of "they are having the biggest party up there and they wouldn't want us to be sad. They lived a long and full life...etc".

The Bible tells us to Celebrate with someone's passing. I don't know how I could ever celebrate my own childs death. BUT my Aunt and Uncle did it, she celebrated her child being with God.
My dads funeral was a celebration. In fact, at the end of the funeral, Dads coffin was brought out of the church to the tune of "I saw the light" By Hank Williams. Ofcourse, he was 62 when he died, though as strong and healthy as anyone could be right up until the end. AND my dad was a huge optimist and was always out to make everyone laugh, even when he was dying.
Is the bday party still available for viewing somewhere?

 

[armywife210]

I am just amazed that you can't see how disassociated she was from her children and the event. I mean, who could stand by and watch their child bleed to death without holding them in their arms? I don't care how badly she was injured, how do you suppose she was able to do that?

I am not sure, to be honest. Is it possible? I think so. Shock, perhaps the body's coping mechanism.
I am not the kind of person who could do that, or would do that. But I am a ball of emotion and my babies can't even walk out the door without me telling them I love them and hugging them.
I am going to be totally honest here, I know that I could be wrong about Darlie's guilt. That doesn't mean that I think she did it, but once in awhile I wonder what life was REALLY like for those boys behind closed doors. Not hearsay, but reality. And I have wavered on my opinion of guilt or innocence, and I may again.
At the same time, I do believe her reactions should not be judged.

 

[Goody]

The Bible tells us to Celebrate with someone's passing. I don't know how I could ever celebrate my own childs death. BUT my Aunt and Uncle did it, she celebrated her child being with God.
My dads funeral was a celebration. In fact, at the end of the funeral, Dads coffin was brought out of the church to the tune of "I saw the light" By Hank Williams. Ofcourse, he was 62 when he died, though as strong and healthy as anyone could be right up until the end. AND my dad was a huge optimist and was always out to make everyone laugh, even when he was dying.
Is the bday party still available for viewing somewhere?

I don't know but it is probably a part of all the profile shows. Check 48 hours. They have done a couple of shows on Darlie. It might be on the justicefordarlie.com site. It might be on the Leeza show...or at least a clip of it.

Think about it. Could you celebrate your children's deaths only a few days after you saw some stranger come into your home and stab them to death and injure you? It is hard enough to accept a death from disease but at least you have time to adjust emotionally. It is even harder to accept a death by accident but at least you weren't terribly traumatized by the event itself. But to watch some stranger repeatedly stab your children and not be able to help them???? What do you do? Say, O,. well, life goes on. They had a good time while they were here. Someday I will see them again, so I might as well just get on with my life now. See ya later, boys. I have to say that I do not know a single person who could do that. And I don't believe Darlie could have either if she had not already adjusted to the idea of losing them before they died.

 

[Goody]

I am not sure, to be honest. Is it possible? I think so. Shock, perhaps the body's coping mechanism.
I am not the kind of person who could do that, or would do that. But I am a ball of emotion and my babies can't even walk out the door without me telling them I love them and hugging them.
I am going to be totally honest here, I know that I could be wrong about Darlie's guilt. That doesn't mean that I think she did it, but once in awhile I wonder what life was REALLY like for those boys behind closed doors. Not hearsay, but reality. And I have wavered on my opinion of guilt or innocence, and I may again.
At the same time, I do believe her reactions should not be judged.

She was put on trial for murder. Her reactions have to be judged. There is no way around it. I agree that usually we shouldn't judge people for the way they react to crisis,but when someone is on trial for murder they just can't be afforded that luxury.

As for life for the boys in the Routier home, I don't think it was as picture perfect as the family tries to pass off. Neighbors said that the boys ran all over the neighborhood daily. Some said she locked the boys outside sometimes. That is why they would climb in the window after popsickles. They were probably hot and thirsty. They were only 5 and 6 yet were seen riding their bikes two or three blocks away. Some talked about them playing unsupervised at construction sites in the subdivision. People thought them to be too dangerous for young boys to be playing at.

One neighbor said the afternoon of the murders, the boys had emptied the hottub water out halfway (this was came up at the trial, too,and was acknowledged by both parents) and that Darlie could be heard cursing at them, saying something about you little mf'ers are really gonna get it now.

Just about all the book authors wrote about various statements from people close to them that did not describe the cookie baking PTA mom they tried to pass off. People where Darin's shop was talked about the boys playing on the busy street unsupervised while they visited the shop. I think the boys were typically used to looking out for themselves. I think both parents were lax in supervision.

I also think Darlie was moody and her moods determined her parenting skills. I think she sent a lot of mixed signals to the boys and they didn't always know what their boundaries were. That would make parenting much more difficult to cope with. I do believe she had some problems in that area, but I don't think she would have committed this crime had it not been for several mitigating factors that led to a sequence of events all coming together at the same time and ultimately pushing her over the line that night.

 

[Goody]

http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=10458

Check this out. Some Texans want Darlie dead. Convicted isn't enough!!

 

[Goody]

The oral arguments I was listening to was from March, 2002 for the state appellate court. So that is not a federal judge questioning the transcripts. It was a state judge who apparently ended up finding that the errors did not rise to a level sufficient to grant a new trial. So back to the waiting for the first signs of their federal arguments. grrrrrr...

 

[HeartofTexas]

Goody said: You must think she will be acquitted in trial number two.

No, just the opposite, Goody. I think she will be found guilty again, which is why I think it's a total waste of money for her to be re-tried. I think there are people in Texas prisons who got a bum wrap the FIRST time they were tried and who actually deserve a chance at a second trial. That's where I prefer our tax dollars go.