Darlie Supporters and Darin Routier

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  • #101
RobertStJames said:
How does Darin rolling back remove her supporters? This is really why I started the thread--do Darlie's supporters also support Darin?

Anybody?


RstJ

Once her supporters learn that she is indeed guilty of this crime, they will scatter. They are supporting a supposedly innocent woman on death row. If Darlie should implicate Darin, after blaming an intruder--two intruders now--well I don't think she will keep those supporters. They will feel they've been conned. I know I would.
 
  • #102
cami said:
Once her supporters learn that she is indeed guilty of this crime, they will scatter. They are supporting a supposedly innocent woman on death row. If Darlie should implicate Darin, after blaming an intruder--two intruders now--well I don't think she will keep those supporters. They will feel they've been conned. I know I would.

Why are you assuming that pointing the finger at Darin necessarily implies admitting any guilt on her part? What if she maintains her innocence, but also stops insisting that it just couldn't have been Darin?

Would you still feel conned? If Darlie presented a defense which was based on her husband as the alternate suspect? That's what her lawyers (the PDs) were orginally planning on doing.


RstJ
 
  • #103
She saw the intruder at the foot of the couch. (Well, at least in ONE of her stories.)
She supposedly fought with this guy!! You don't think she'd recognize her own husband?
She has said all along that it was not Darin. It's been awhile since I've read the transcripts, but she may have even testified to that...
Does anyone know, to save this lazy Irish girl from having to look?
 
  • #104
IrishMist said:
She saw the intruder at the foot of the couch. (Well, at least in ONE of her stories.)
She supposedly fought with this guy!! You don't think she'd recognize her own husband?
She has said all along that it was not Darin. It's been awhile since I've read the transcripts, but she may have even testified to that...
Does anyone know, to save this lazy Irish girl from having to look?
Yes, Darlie did testify to that. I am too lazy to look it up though.

Say, Irish, I did try to send that report to you but your addy didn't work.
 
  • #105
RobertStJames said:
Why are you assuming that pointing the finger at Darin necessarily implies admitting any guilt on her part? What if she maintains her innocence, but also stops insisting that it just couldn't have been Darin?


RstJ
Darlie would have had to have lied about a lot of things if Darin were the attacker. There is no way she can paint herself as an innocent victim of his, starting with him being upstairs when the attacks happened and including lies to cover up his participation. At the very least she had to have known all along that he did and conspired with him to cover it up.

If he had been trying to kill her, why on earth would she help him cover up that attack and the murders of her children, whom she supposedly was devoted to? About the only thing she could say would be that she was unconscious and didn't know Darin was the attacker, in which case she couldn't very well point fingers at him now. Then what does she do with the hypnotic session where she claims to have remembered fighting with two dark skinned men on the sofa, the memory of which she supposed blocked out?

I am afraid Darlie's goose is cooked as far as her stories go. If she is going to talk, she had better connect all the dots and stop lying altogether, and even that probably won't save her from the gallows. It will just insure that she doesn't swing at the end of that needle alone, which if he was involved is proabably the right thing to do if there is any real chance for justice for those kids.
 
  • #106
Jeana (DP) said:
Personally, I think that its a divided we fall type of situation. I think Darlie has something on Darin that could possibly get him locked up. Likewise, I think he could also come out with info that would all but stop her appeals dead in their tracks and assure her the injection.
Me thinks you are right, Jeana. Otherwise he'd have ridden off into the sunset years ago and been applauded for it.
 
  • #107
RobertStJames She doesn't know he didn't do it. She claims amnesia. Yet her first description of her attacker matched Darin. Darin has blood on his pants. Whose? There is blood on his Reeboks said:
O, puh-leeze. She claims amnesia alright, but traumatic amnesia without brain damage is not permanent! Most people regain it within a few months. She is going on 9 years now. Not only that but she isn't even trying to remember what happened. One hypnotic session in nine years and when she supposedly remembers something, she drops it like a hot potato. No sense is trying again, she might actually be able to come up with a facial composite of the guy(s) to help police. Can't have that.

Sorry but Darlie is about as innocent as my dog after a garbage run.

O, and that blood trail does not lead to Darin. He wore no shirt that night and no photos were taken before he was excused to go to the hospital. He cleaned up before he was interviewed by police. And his skin cells were not on the sock. Darlie's were. Plus he had no injuries, which if he had been wielding a knife and attacking three people, he should have had cuts on himself, too.

The blood on his pants, I believe, is at the waist, and that can probably be easily explained by his CPR efforts on Devon. Now if it turns out to be Damon's blood, not so easy to explain but even that wouldn't be a smoking gun against him.

The shoes... Darlie could have worn them as easily as he could have.

Personally, I suspect that they were in on it together and that Darin didn't have the guts to do the dirty work so his job was to do the staging, i.e. screen cutting, sock planting, etc. I think the motive had everything to do with money, but not insurance money. I think they truly believed they could pull it off and be perceived as victims to the world, which would open doors to the big time, book deals, film rights, etc. I think they viewed children as easily replacable objects and truly believed that the boys would understand and forgive them, after all it was for the betterment of the family as a whole. In short, the kids were sacrificed for the greater good, which was basically the good life for Mom and Dad and baby brother.

Now how it all came about is another thing. Things did not go smoothly. I am not sure that night was even planned much ahead of time, but I do think they had danced around the subject before, maybe even engaged in a little late night fantasy about how it could be pulled off without having any real plan in action. Something happened to escalate things that particular night, and that something was probably some kind of argument or specific event that spun out of control and left them with little choice.

I believe that Darlie suffered from depression and probably anxiety, and possibly PPD. That the diet pills she was taking beyond recommended periods were aggravating factors and contributed to the PPD and may have even caused her to snap that night, which left them with a dead child. How could they explain an intruder killing one child but not the other? Somewhere between need and past fantasies, they whipped up the plan to escape punishment and become the victims they needed to be to pull it all off. It just didn't work for Darlie.

I don't think it is any accident that Darin came out smelling like a rose and everything pointed to Darlie, but since she didn't tell the truth, she is now stuck with the outcome. I think her life could have been spared if they had just told the truth about how one child had been killed and spared Damon, if they had exposed her true mental state, medications, etc. and not bothered with a cover up. And they might have been able to do that if they had not already been playing with the idea of becoming the movie of the week.

Sounds out there, I know, but they were already writing stories about Texas being a hotbed for TV movies on true crime so I think the theory might hit closer to home than we know. It is speculation though as are most of our how it happened Routier theories are. They have managed to keep a dark cloak over what really happened that night, which contributes to our need to connect dots that just won't be connected.

However, just remember some of Darin's statements about how they were going to write a book and knock the middleman out by having Darlie do all the writing, how they were said to have signed contracts to sell their story only two days after she was arrested which was only 2 weeks after the murders. How Darin supposedly said to his tatoo artist that their story was going to the biggest thing to hit in a long time, etc. And don't forget him saying on the stand that they felt they deserved to make the big bucks, that they should be able to go on vacation anywhere they wanted and not be limited by a budget (or however he qualified it). So it is not totally out there, and it explains why they both seemed to be disassociated with both the children and the murders, which should have just totally blown them away emotionally.


 
  • #108
cami said:
d. Never happen, she's guilty of the murders not Darin. He's the accessory after the fact.
Maybe after the fact on Devon's murder. I am not so sure about Damon's. Remember he too shows some lack of emotional grief after the murders. Unlike David Smith and Mark Lunsford, whose faces show every ounce of their grief. In my opinion, Darin just doesn't measure up as an innocent victim who stumbled into a horrific scene and turned on a dime to support his guilty wife. No evidence against him regarding the murders, but in the days and months that followed, there sure are a lot of questions.
 
  • #109
Goody said:
Yes, Darlie did testify to that. I am too lazy to look it up though.

Say, Irish, I did try to send that report to you but your addy didn't work.
I was pretty sure she did. Thanks for verifying.

I pm'd my email to you. Not sure what happened the first time?
 
  • #110
RobertStJames said:
Any lawyer would destroy that case in a week on double jeopardy. Since there's no reason to believe the murders were two separate crimes, but part of the same attack. I've never bought the official line that they were going to re-try Darlie on Devon's murder if they couldn't get a conviction on Damon's. Can you think of any other case that's ever worked that way?
Doesn't matter when the victims were killed. They were two separate people and there is no law that I am aware of that says they have to be tried together.

RobertStJames said:
And if the evidence was so strong that she's guilty, why did the DA only file on *one* of the murders?
He only filed on Damon because Damon was under 6 years old and his murder fell under Texas death penalty rules. Also, his blood was not found on the murder weapon. The defense could argue that he was not killed by that knife and that the attacker took the real murder weapon with him. Weak, I know, but I am sure they didn't want it to interfere with Damon's case, which was pretty solid against Darlie.

RobertStJames said:
She drops this intruder nonsense, and finally tells the truth, then I think she gets a new trial. And I think that if we could see *all* the evidence, we'd rapidly change our minds on this case. Don't you think there's a reason Dari's jeans are still in an evidence locker, ten years later?

RstJ
You don't honestly see her as a martyr sacrificing herself for her cad of a husband, do you?

Yes, there is a reason Darin's jeans are still in the evidence locker. They are required to keep evidence relating to cases like this in case ever needed. Shoot, you can go into some police jurisdictions and find evidence dating back to the 1800's.
 
  • #111
Goody said:
O, and that blood trail does not lead to Darin. He wore no shirt that night and no photos were taken before he was excused to go to the hospital. He cleaned up before he was interviewed by police. And his skin cells were not on the sock. Darlie's were. Plus he had no injuries, which if he had been wielding a knife and attacking three people, he should have had cuts on himself, too.

The blood on his pants, I believe, is at the waist, and that can probably be easily explained by his CPR efforts on Devon. Now if it turns out to be Damon's blood, not so easy to explain but even that wouldn't be a smoking gun against him.

The shoes... Darlie could have worn them as easily as he could have.

Oh come on. Those are Darin's shoes. Fibers from the shoes were found *on that sock*! Blood, both boys, and DNA from Darlie, probably saliva. And how do you know Darin didn't have any cuts? He was interviewed at length at the hospital. Probably photographed there. We don't have any of that information.

Blood *spatter* has been reported in two places on Darin's jeans. Not consistent at all with CPR. Very consistent with a throat slash. And we don't know whose blood that is. I wouldn't be surprised if no small part of it is Darlie's. And how did the jeans get ripped? Fixing that fence that there's no evidence Darin ever worked on?

Blood:

Darin's Reeboks
Darin's Sock
Darin's Jeans
Darin's face, hands, stomach, knee

I don't believe all this got on him just giving CPR to someone who
was already dead.


RstJ
 
  • #112
Goody said:
You don't honestly see her as a martyr sacrificing herself for her cad of a husband, do you?

Yes, there is a reason Darin's jeans are still in the evidence locker. They are required to keep evidence relating to cases like this in case ever needed. Shoot, you can go into some police jurisdictions and find evidence dating back to the 1800's.

Women lie to cover for their husbands/boyfriends all the time. I mean *all* the time. How many women end up in ICU swearing to heaven that their SO didn't hurt them when their SO is the only possible suspect? How many obvious DV cases never go anywhere because the victim refuses to testify? There is nothing at all extraordinary about Darlie lying to cover for her husband. She was totally, 100% dependent on him.

She testified that it wasn't him who attacked her, but since she can't provide any kind of description of the assailant (except her earliest description, which matches Darin very closely) then how can she testify as to who it wasn't? That's contradictory, but then again, a lot of her testimony is like that. Why would Mulder allow her to take the stand? He's not a fool, and I just don't see Darlie going against his advice which must have been *not* to testify.

Unless, of course, her husband put her up to it.

I see no reason why Darin's jeans would still be in evidence in a case against his wife. How do the jeans prove her guilt?

Follow the blood: it's all over Darin. Darlie had a total of four drops of Damon's blood. Four drops, and believe me, that nightshirt was examined thoroughly. Is that all they could find? Four drops, one of them clearly on top of her own blood?

Reeboks, sock, jeans, body, his mysterious washing up across the street.


btw, who saw Darin giving CPR to Devon? Waddell's statement is very clear that he saw Darin already *outside*. Does anyone have a cite where any police officer, or any paramedic saw Darin giving any kind of CPR, mouth to mouth?


Now look at this statement, from coverage of the trial:


''When I (tried to give Devon CPR), blood splattered all over my face. I tried to blow into his chest and blood came out of his mouth.''

He said that Mrs. Routier was ''right on top of him trying to hold his chest together.''


So why wasn't Devon's blood found all over Darlie? Darin got spattered. Darlie was right on top of Devon. So where is Devon's blood?


And does anyone believe that he was blowing into Devon's chest (huh?) and blood came spattering out of Devon's mouth? This sounds completely, and totally, false.

There are only two sources for the "CPR" story: Darin and Darlie. And Darin can't keep his story straight:


Darin Routier made suspiciously inconsistent statements about his blue jeans. At the hospital early after the attacks, the police noticed blood on his blue jeans and a tear just below the right knee. When asked about the tear, he said he got it while working on the back yard gate just the day before. According to the police report, he didn't explain how blood got on his jeans because he said he came down the stairs naked and got blood on his stomach and bare knees while trying to give CPR to Devon. HR.6: 488; Defendant's Exhibit No. 5, p. 3. In his written statement, Darin told the police that he went to sleep naked, rushed downstairs nude when he heard Appellant scream, and then went back upstairs to put his pants on after he gave first aid to the children. HR.6: 488; Defendant's Exhibit No. 3, p. 3. At the bond hearing, Darin claimed that he went to sleep nude and took the time to put his jeans on before he rushed downstairs to find out why Appellant was screaming. RR.4: 124.



RstJ
 
  • #113
Defendant's Exhibit No. 51
and
Defendant's Exhibit No. 52

are photographs of the shoes by the front door. They are LACED up.
Once again, let me ask you how its possible that Darin removed those shoes while they were laced up?
 
  • #114
Jeana (DP) said:
Defendant's Exhibit No. 51
and
Defendant's Exhibit No. 52

are photographs of the shoes by the front door. They are LACED up.
Once again, let me ask you how its possible that Darin removed those shoes while they were laced up?

Why would Darin lace up his own shoes no matter what the circumstances? Obviously, he wore them on a regular basis. So why would he lace them up at all? Or are you trying to say that those shoes just happened to be down there laced up for no reason?

More to the point, how did any blood get on them? None of the victims were known to have been anywhere near those shoes!

You don't see any connection between blood on Darin's sock, fibers from Darin's shoe being *on* that sock, and blood also being on Darin's Reeboks?



RstJ
 
  • #115
OK, RST, let's just say this is all true. (Doesn't mean I agree, BTW.)

But if she knew Darin did it, and she didn't turn him in for killing her children, then the B**** is still exactly where she needs to be.
 
  • #116
RobertStJames said:
Why would Darin lace up his own shoes no matter what the circumstances? Obviously, he wore them on a regular basis. So why would he lace them up at all? Or are you trying to say that those shoes just happened to be down there laced up for no reason?

More to the point, how did any blood get on them? None of the victims were known to have been anywhere near those shoes!

You don't see any connection between blood on Darin's sock, fibers from Darin's shoe being *on* that sock, and blood also being on Darin's Reeboks?



RstJ


Darlie wore them.
 
  • #117
IrishMist said:
OK, RST, let's just say this is all true. (Doesn't mean I agree, BTW.)

But if she knew Darin did it, and she didn't turn him in for killing her children, then the B**** is still exactly where she needs to be.

Because I don't think she knew. Put yourself in her position (grisly, yeah, but just for POV). You wake up in the middle of the night slashed up, trying to defend yourself from someone who's trying to do you in. It's dark, only the light from the TV. Looks like it could be your husband, but you don't know for certain. You fight him off and he splits out the garage. Then you follow, which is an interesting point, seeing as how the blood drips in the utility room support the idea that Darlie was going that direction while still bleeding. Pretty crazy to follow an unknown perp. So you scream for your husband. He shows up...from where? Darlie claims to have seen him come out of the bedroom, but that doesn't sound possible as she was downstairs. He claims to have heard glass breaking, although acoustic tests make it clear that would be impossible. Anyway, he shows up. Darlie says he had pants on. He tells police he didn't. Which is true?

So, if she isn't absolutely sure, what's she going to do? Point the finger at him?

And for those of you who think she's a cold-blooded monster, why *not* point the finger at her husband? If she's just killed two kids and doesn't want to cop to it, wouldn't trying to blame it on her husband be a viable way to wriggle out of the murders?


RstJ
 
  • #118
There's NO WAY Darin exited out of the garage and then several seconds later appears from upstairs with NO PANTS and/or NO GLASSES on.
 
  • #119
Jeana (DP) said:
Darlie wore them.


What? What evidence do you have to support that? She never says anything about wearing Reeboks, it would make no sense at all to be wearing them that night since she was sleeping, in fact, no one ever mentions anyone wearing those Reeboks that I can see. So where do you get that Darlie was wearing them?


He said he found Caucasian limb hairs from either a leg or arm; hair from an animal in the deer family, such as deer, elk or antelope; and synthetic fiber that he later identified as microscopically similar to Reebok tennis shoes inside the utility room.



Inside the utility room?


RstJ
 
  • #120
RobertStJames said:
More to the point, how did any blood get on them? None of the victims were known to have been anywhere near those shoes!
RstJ

Darlie was at the front door bleeding. She opened the door to call for Karen. She left by the front door. It's her blood on the Reeboks. Why do you ignore this?
 
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