Darlie Supporters and Darin Routier

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RobertStJames said:
What? What evidence do you have to support that? She never says anything about wearing Reeboks, it would make no sense at all to be wearing them that night since she was sleeping, in fact, no one ever mentions anyone wearing those Reeboks that I can see. So where do you get that Darlie was wearing them?


He said he found Caucasian limb hairs from either a leg or arm; hair from an animal in the deer family, such as deer, elk or antelope; and synthetic fiber that he later identified as microscopically similar to Reebok tennis shoes inside the utility room.



Inside the utility room?


RstJ


She NEVER said that she and Darin argued that night and that she asked him for a separation either. The problem with Darlie and what is "said" is that she changed her story SIXTEEN times and then came out with something totally different on the witness stand - and then came out with something totally different FROM PRISON.

I think its been established that anytime Darlie opens her mouth a lie comes out, so why on earth would you be waiting for her to say anything before you believed it?
 
cami said:
Darlie was at the front door bleeding. She opened the door to call for Karen. She left by the front door. It's her blood on the Reeboks. Why do you ignore this?


There's a wooden chest like thing by the front door. If you picture Darlie sitting there removing those sneakers, it would explain why they're laced up and it would explain how the blood drops by the front door are perfectly round - which means she was still when she bled those drops.
 
Jeana (DP) said:
She NEVER said that she and Darin argued that night and that she asked him for a separation either. The problem with Darlie and what is "said" is that she changed her story SIXTEEN times and then came out with something totally different on the witness stand - and then came out with something totally different FROM PRISON.

I think its been established that anytime Darlie opens her mouth a lie comes out, so why on earth would you be waiting for her to say anything before you believed it?

Why would I be putting words into her mouth and claiming that she wore the Reeboks when she never even mentions them? They aren't her shoes. Why should I think she wore them that night?


RstJ
 
RobertStJames said:
Because I don't think she knew. Put yourself in her position (grisly, yeah, but just for POV). You wake up in the middle of the night slashed up, trying to defend yourself from someone who's trying to do you in. It's dark, only the light from the TV. Looks like it could be your husband, but you don't know for certain. You fight him off and he splits out the garage. Then you follow, which is an interesting point, seeing as how the blood drips in the utility room support the idea that Darlie was going that direction while still bleeding.
RstJ


Only problem is there's no evidence that Darlie fought with anyone in that living room, there's only a bit of staging. There's a lamp shade down on the lamp but the lamp's position on the carpet remained intact.There's no blood where she claims she lay sleeping. There's not a cut or a nick in the sofa from the knife being deflected during a fight. The glass top of the table is down on it's side as if it were placed there, not knocked over.

Darlie claims she did not enter the utility room but her blood is in there. Yet that's where the blood stops.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would not recognize their own husband in the dark or not. I don't believe Darlie ever went to sleep that night.
 
RobertStJames said:
Why would I be putting words into her mouth and claiming that she wore the Reeboks when she never even mentions them? They aren't her shoes. Why should I think she wore them that night?


RstJ


What it comes down to is that we can't trust one word that she said, either that night or since. She's lied so many times that we just can't believe her. So, regardless of what you believe, or what she say's, she'll remain where she is.

You're willing to put these words into her mouth:

"You wake up in the middle of the night slashed up, trying to defend yourself from someone who's trying to do you in. It's dark, only the light from the TV. Looks like it could be your husband, but you don't know for certain."

Which of the 16 versions did you get this from? She can't even decide how many people she supposedly fought off. How did it now become her husband??????

Your problem is that you want it to be anyone but Darlie, but the evidence keeps coming back to her.
 
cami said:
Darlie was at the front door bleeding. She opened the door to call for Karen. She left by the front door. It's her blood on the Reeboks. Why do you ignore this?

Because there's more than one explanation for how her blood got on those shoes and the explanation you're offering isn't a very convincing one. Darin's hair jumps onto the knife, Darlie just happens to bleed on Darin's shoes which are, strangely, right by the front door, laced up, and just happen to correspond directly to a sock that was found with the boy's blood on it found away from the house. I mean, come on, how many things do we have to explain away like this?




RstJ
 
Jeana (DP) said:
What it comes down to is that we can't trust one word that she said, either that night or since. She's lied so many times that we just can't believe her. So, regardless of what you believe, or what she say's, she'll remain where she is.

You're willing to put these words into her mouth:

"You wake up in the middle of the night slashed up, trying to defend yourself from someone who's trying to do you in. It's dark, only the light from the TV. Looks like it could be your husband, but you don't know for certain."

Which of the 16 versions did you get this from? She can't even decide how many people she supposedly fought off. How did it now become her husband??????

Your problem is that you want it to be anyone but Darlie, but the evidence keeps coming back to her.

I'm not claiming she said any such thing. It's a scenario. That's not the same thing as putting words into her mouth, nor is it the same thing for claiming objective facts like she wore those Reeboks when there is not a single bit of evidence to support that contention. The evidence doesn't keep coming back to her at all. How does her blood on Darin's tennis shoes support the idea that she killed her kids?


RstJ
 
RobertStJames said:
She claims (in the original statement) to have seen him coming out of the bedroom, obviously impossible to see that from the ground floor. And she says nothing about seeing him come down the steps.
RstJ

Ohhh, but that's not true. Darlie stated, "I remember saying he cut them, he tried to kill me, my neck, he (Darin) ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were."
 
Not that you will answer this post or anything like that, but you can hear Darin coming down the stairs in the 911 call.
Don't bother checking it out. It would take way too much effort and blow your theory. But again, it wouldn't do a thing to change your mind. You are waaaay too busy thinking of things in tiny segments Unfortunatly, that is a common and binding trend with supporters.
 
Sorry if these have been responded to already- been away for a few days and am catching up:

RobertStJames said:
Oh come on. Those are Darin's shoes. Fibers from the shoes were found *on that sock*!
And that's odd because...? If the sock belonged to Darin (which is highly likely) and it had been worn and then put either in the shoe or in the dirty laundry then the fibre on it (if it WAS from the reebok) can be explained without the shoes even being linked to the crime scene in that respect.

And how do you know Darin didn't have any cuts? He was interviewed at length at the hospital. Probably photographed there. We don't have any of that information.
What we do have though is testimony from at least 6 people who saw him and spoke to him that night and following that night and no one mentions any cuts or wounds to Darin. I think there is at least one photo in MTJD with Darin in it at the hospital but don't have it with me.

Blood *spatter* has been reported in two places on Darin's jeans. Not consistent at all with CPR. Very consistent with a throat slash.
Could you provide some transcript or affidavit evidence for this?

Blood 'spatter' from a throat is caused when a major artery is cut. Darlie's wasn't. If she was lying down or leaning backwards and someone ran a greta big butcher's knife along her throat in such a way to make a shallow cut (which it was) then I'm not sure where you think this blood 'spatter' (which should actually be 'spray' from a servered artery) would have come from.

And how did the jeans get ripped? Fixing that fence that there's no evidence Darin ever worked on?
Are you saying that you don't have a pair of jeans or trousers or even a shirt lying around home which you lounge around in which aren't ripped or torn somewhere?

Blood

Darin's Reeboks - Darlie, who was bleeding. stood at the open door at least once during the 911 call not to mention when she passed by them again on her way out of the house
Darin's Sock- Two small spots of blood on a sock which has not been postively identifed as Darin's on record

Darin's Jeans
Darin's face, hands, stomach, knee

I don't believe all this got on him just giving CPR to someone who
was already dead.
Althought I have no problem accepting that Darin would have gotten well and truly bloody if he was trying to breath air back into his son's mouth and chest cavity I'd also expect some of it probably came from the fact that he wouldn't have simply been handling his boys clinically as you seem to expect.

There is nothing at all extraordinary about Darlie lying to cover for her husband. She was totally, 100% dependent on him.
I guess that slipped her mind when she asked for a separation earlier that night. Or is that another Darin lie? It all get's very confusing...

Four drops, one of them clearly on top of her own blood?
If you read the transcripts you'll see the wounds to the boys did not spray or spatter blood around. They were weeping wounds. Darlie wouldn't have had liberal amounts of the boys blood on her and in any case who knows how much had been on her hands/arms? Of course the absence of significant amounts of their blood only goes to show that this mother didn't go near the boys during the 911 call, try to comfort them by pulling them into her arms or tending to their wounds.

More to the point, how did any blood get on them? None of the victims were known to have been anywhere near those shoes!
Incorrect. Two of the bleeding victims went right past the shoes. One of those did so twice.

Because there's more than one explanation for how her blood got on those shoes and the explanation you're offering isn't a very convincing one. Darin's hair jumps onto the knife, Darlie just happens to bleed on Darin's shoes which are, strangely, right by the front door, laced up, and just happen to correspond directly to a sock that was found with the boy's blood on it found away from the house. I mean, come on, how many things do we have to explain away like this?
Oh for goodness sake.

Darin lived in the house- his hair would have been everywhere. Go look up some studies on the nature of hair and fibre transference. If the knife was placed on the carpet (which we know it was- and might I remind you this is a point you have consistently ignored) it would have picked up any number of fibres and hairs. The knife was placed on the counter which also would have had any number of fibres/hairs on it. His hair doesn't jump onto the knife. If it was a sterile crime scene and one which should not have contained any of Darin's hair them it is a different story. But it wasn't... and it's not. But instead you want to argue that the knife he was wielding and furiously stabbing and attacking with got caught in his hair as he fought with Darlie on the couch??? And that's presuming that the hair in question was head hair.

I've already explained how the sock and the shoes could have logically been linked together with nothing to do with the crime.

Darlie stood at the front door at least once and yelled for Karen. The shoes are right by the front door. But whoever it was who bled on the shoes was dripping blood themselves (rather than just having it smeared on them) and standing still whilst they did it. No blood on the laces and no smears of blood on the shoe showing someone with bloody hands had tugged them on.

But talking about how many things do we have to come up with an incredulous explanation for perhaps you might now give us your account for how the bloody knife mark came to appear on the carpet and how the bloody knife that was 'thrown down' in the U-room left no spatter if Darin did it?

How does her blood on Darin's tennis shoes support the idea that she killed her kids?
How does it support the idea that she didn't and that Darin did? What are you trying to get at with the shoes?
 
Mary456 said:
Ohhh, but that's not true. Darlie stated, "I remember saying he cut them, he tried to kill me, my neck, he (Darin) ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were."

Where was she when this was happening? Because unless she was right near the stairs (or heard him, of course) then how does she really know where he came from?


RstJ
 
dasgal said:
Not that you will answer this post or anything like that, but you can hear Darin coming down the stairs in the 911 call.
Don't bother checking it out. It would take way too much effort and blow your theory. But again, it wouldn't do a thing to change your mind. You are waaaay too busy thinking of things in tiny segments Unfortunatly, that is a common and binding trend with supporters.

At what time on the 911 tape can you hear this?


RstJ
 
Dani_T said:
Sorry if these have been responded to already- been away for a few days and am catching up:


And that's odd because...? If the sock belonged to Darin (which is highly likely) and it had been worn and then put either in the shoe or in the dirty laundry then the fibre on it (if it WAS from the reebok) can be explained without the shoes even being linked to the crime scene in that respect.

Sure. If you want to bend over backwards and exclude the shoe and the sock (both with victim's blood on them).


What we do have though is testimony from at least 6 people who saw him and spoke to him that night and following that night and no one mentions any cuts or wounds to Darin. I think there is at least one photo in MTJD with Darin in it at the hospital but don't have it with me.

Darin should have at least on cut on his knee. Unless he managed to tear his pants there and not touch skin.


Could you provide some transcript or affidavit evidence for this?

Affadavit for what? The absence of any description of Darin's body during a lengthy interview at the hospital? There should be notes from the detectives who talked to him. Where are they?


Blood 'spatter' from a throat is caused when a major artery is cut. Darlie's wasn't. If she was lying down or leaning backwards and someone ran a greta big butcher's knife along her throat in such a way to make a shallow cut (which it was) then I'm not sure where you think this blood 'spatter' (which should actually be 'spray' from a servered artery) would have come from.


I'm quoting the Habeus Corpus. Since I can't find any analysis of Darin's jeans, that's all I have to go by.


Are you saying that you don't have a pair of jeans or trousers or even a shirt lying around home which you lounge around in which aren't ripped or torn somewhere?

Irrelevant. Darin's jeans have a tear in them that he claims to have been the result of working on a fence the previous day. There is no evidence that fence was worked on, in fact, quite the opposite.


Althought I have no problem accepting that Darin would have gotten well and truly bloody if he was trying to breath air back into his son's mouth and chest cavity I'd also expect some of it probably came from the fact that he wouldn't have simply been handling his boys clinically as you seem to expect.

Unless you have something to back up Darin's extremely dubious story of his mouth to mouth/CPR of Devon turning the kid into a blood-spewing fountain, I'm going to continue to regard this story as extremely suspect, and then question why it is that Darin runs across the street for "help" at the exact moment help (in the form of a police officer) arrives.





I guess that slipped her mind when she asked for a separation earlier that night. Or is that another Darin lie? It all get's very confusing...

Darin waited how many years to reveal this little tidbit...?


If you read the transcripts you'll see the wounds to the boys did not spray or spatter blood around. They were weeping wounds. Darlie wouldn't have had liberal amounts of the boys blood on her and in any case who knows how much had been on her hands/arms? Of course the absence of significant amounts of their blood only goes to show that this mother didn't go near the boys during the 911 call, try to comfort them by pulling them into her arms or tending to their wounds.

You're misreading the description. Darin claims that Darlie was *right there on top of Devon* when all the blood was sparying around that got on Darin. How did so much blood only manage to get on one of *two* people who were right there *during the CPR*?

So, again, how is it that no blood is on Darlie, but there's blood all over Darin?


Incorrect. Two of the bleeding victims went right past the shoes. One of those did so twice.

Two bleeding victims went right past those shoes but only Darlie's blood on them. Blood that just happens to get on one of the Reeboks which are, inexplicably by any explanation (except the obvious one) are by the door.

It's like nobody around here has ever seen a pair of sneakers laced up loosely so they can be slipped on. Fits with the whole "Gangsta" thing that Darin was obviously a big fan of, unless you think his two extremely young sons decided to become gangster rap fans on their own.



Darin lived in the house- his hair would have been everywhere.

Darlie and the boys were right there in the murder room, two sleeping on their floor. Where are *their* hairs? Why is it, of all people, Darin's hair that shows up on that knife?

Go look up some studies on the nature of hair and fibre transference.

Go look up cases where the perp's hair gets tangled in the weapon used.

If the knife was placed on the carpet (which we know it was- and might I remind you this is a point you have consistently ignored) it would have picked up any number of fibres and hairs.

Only Darin's was found. So "any number" is just theory, not fact.

The knife was placed on the counter which also would have had any number of fibres/hairs on it. His hair doesn't jump onto the knife. If it was a sterile crime scene and one which should not have contained any of Darin's hair them it is a different story. But it wasn't... and it's not. But instead you want to argue that the knife he was wielding and furiously stabbing and attacking with got caught in his hair as he fought with Darlie on the couch??? And that's presuming that the hair in question was head hair.

And this is an impossible scenario...why? He had long hair. He would have been stabbing overhead. Had to be to inflict such deep wounds. And you think this is somehow impossible?

Wanna know where else hair was found, again Darin's? In that black hat in the utility room.


I've already explained how the sock and the shoes could have logically been linked together with nothing to do with the crime.

I don't accept your logic.


Darlie stood at the front door at least once and yelled for Karen. The shoes are right by the front door. But whoever it was who bled on the shoes was dripping blood themselves (rather than just having it smeared on them) and standing still whilst they did it. No blood on the laces and no smears of blood on the shoe showing someone with bloody hands had tugged them on.

But talking about how many things do we have to come up with an incredulous explanation for perhaps you might now give us your account for how the bloody knife mark came to appear on the carpet and how the bloody knife that was 'thrown down' in the U-room left no spatter if Darin did it?

Given Darlie's early description of fighting with the assailant on the couch, the first part should be obvious. There was never any knife in the utility room, nor did Darlie's first account say where she found the knife. You can misinterpret her statement all you please, but the known facts of the case show the knife was on the floor in the Roman Room, no matter what Darlie later said.



How does it support the idea that she didn't and that Darin did? What are you trying to get at with the shoes?

Only the obvious. Darin was wearing them. Just as he was wearing that sock.

It would be useful to look at Waddell's statement, and anything the neighbors are known to have said, and see if Darin was wearing any shoes when he sprinted past the police and across the street.

RstJ
 
RobertStJames said:
Where was she when this was happening? Because unless she was right near the stairs (or heard him, of course) then how does she really know where he came from?


RstJ


What difference does it make?
 
RobertStJames said:
Because there's more than one explanation for how her blood got on those shoes and the explanation you're offering isn't a very convincing one. Darin's hair jumps onto the knife, Darlie just happens to bleed on Darin's shoes which are, strangely, right by the front door, laced up, and just happen to correspond directly to a sock that was found with the boy's blood on it found away from the house. I mean, come on, how many things do we have to explain away like this?




RstJ

sorry but neither is yours. Darin lived in the house, his hair should be all over the place. The knife was laid on the carpet in the den, presto hair transference. Darlie's dna is on the sock, not Darin's. Darlie's blood is on the reeboks, not Darin's and not the boys. It all comes back to Darlie.
 
Jeana (DP) said:
What difference does it make?

It makes all the difference in the world. If Darin was not, in fact, upstairs, then where was he? (look at the relationship of the sliding glass door to the garage and the original position of the vaccum cleaner and the fact that Darin supposedly sprints right past his blood-soaked wife without noticing and goes immediately to the Roman Room. How did he know his kids had been stabbed?).

Darin was wearing his jeans. I think most people can agree on that given that he later conformed his story. Which means, with his wife screaming her head off downstairs, Darin must have stopped to put them on upstairs, right? Unless he sleeps in them, which is doubtful.

So what's up with his story of going back upstairs to put his jeans on? Because if already had them on, and he was soaked in blood, and went back upstairs for anything, why wasn't any blood found upstairs?

RstJ
 
RobertStJames said:
It makes all the difference in the world. If Darin was not, in fact, upstairs, then where was he? (look at the relationship of the sliding glass door to the garage and the original position of the vaccum cleaner and the fact that Darin supposedly sprints right past his blood-soaked wife without noticing and goes immediately to the Roman Room. How did he know his kids had been stabbed?).

Darin was wearing his jeans. I think most people can agree on that given that he later conformed his story. Which means, with his wife screaming her head off downstairs, Darin must have stopped to put them on upstairs, right? Unless he sleeps in them, which is doubtful.

So what's up with his story of going back upstairs to put his jeans on? Because if already had them on, and he was soaked in blood, and went back upstairs for anything, why wasn't any blood found upstairs?

RstJ

See! This is what happens when a defendant tells 16 DIFFERENT stories and then goes on to not only LIE on the witness stand, but CONTINUES to lie from prison. We do NOT and WILL NOT ever know what happend that night because Darlie Routier is a liar and Darin Routier is a liar. So, she is where she is and she'll remain there until the State of Texas executes her. So, what possible difference does it make? In order to get me to care, these people are going to have to start telling the truth.
 
Jeana (DP) said:
See! This is what happens when a defendant tells 16 DIFFERENT stories and then goes on to not only LIE on the witness stand, but CONTINUES to lie from prison. We do NOT and WILL NOT ever know what happend that night because Darlie Routier is a liar and Darin Routier is a liar. So, she is where she is and she'll remain there until the State of Texas executes her. So, what possible difference does it make? In order to get me to care, these people are going to have to start telling the truth.

I very much agree with you. And do not confuse me with those Darlie Supporters who think she's telling the truth, because there is no question in my mind that she has lied, repeatedly, about key points. In particular, that "fighting" to "frightening" thing, which was incomprehensible seeing as how the essence of her defense was that an "intruder" had attacked her. There was no intruder, so any defense based on conjuring one of them out of thin air (or two or however many she's up to now) is doomed.

Darin's lying is harder to understand, as the things he lies about don't help Darlie, they only help *him*. It's hard to figure out why he was lying about his jeans. Whether he had them on or not in no way clears Darlie, unless it's to show he was the perp.


RstJ
 
cami said:
sorry but neither is yours. Darin lived in the house, his hair should be all over the place. The knife was laid on the carpet in the den, presto hair transference. Darlie's dna is on the sock, not Darin's. Darlie's blood is on the reeboks, not Darin's and not the boys. It all comes back to Darlie.

Well, to whatever was put in Darlie's mouth, sure.

Presto, transference? Pretty sticky blood that keeps one of his hairs attached to the knife that long. Blood does not become sticky until it begins to dry, btw.

Let's follow the blood:

Darlie: Her blood all over her nightshirt and in various places in the house.
Four drops of Damon's blood on her nightshirt.

Darin: Blood (unknown) on his jeans, knees, stomach, face. Blood (Darlie) on shoes, blood (both children) on sock.

At first glance, your automatic response to this crime would be what?


RstJ
 
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