Darlie's injuries

[nicola]

HOw is it possible for Darlie blood to be mixed in with boys blood in exactly the same places on the back of her shirt given that she was supposed to have stabbed kids then herself? Any ideas anyone?

 

[whitywendy]

HOw is it possible for Darlie blood to be mixed in with boys blood in exactly the same places on the back of her shirt given that she was supposed to have stabbed kids then herself? Any ideas anyone?

Nicola - I believe the way I understand it, Darlie's arm was cut/slashed during the "struggle" (Devon does have signs that he fought) with Devon. It is believed she cut her throat afterwards to stage the scene.

 

[Rino]

I interpretated what I read about blood splatter on back of shirt as the blood was a mixture of both thier blood. If what your saying is right (that darlies blood was under devons blood) then what the prosecution said about her killing kids and then 'attacking' herself must be wrong.

Not to be nit-picky but the state only tried Darlie for the murder of 5-year-old Damon, who was attacked and left for dead.

There are indications that Devon fought of the attack and fought to survive. That does not necessariy go against the theory they were attacked prior to her self inflicted injuried.

 

[whitywendy]

I interpretated what I read about blood splatter on back of shirt as the blood was a mixture of both thier blood. If what your saying is right (that darlies blood was under devons blood) then what the prosecution said about her killing kids and then 'attacking' herself must be wrong.

Rino - I thought it was Damon's blood on top of Darlie's, which brought about the theory of the 2nd attack on Damon after she cut her throat.

 

[CyberLaw]

Darlie was tried only for Damon's death because it qualifies for the death penalty because of his age and if for some reason she was not convicted in the death of Damon, she could then be tried for the death of Devon. Double jeopardy is attached to Damon but with Devon, it would be a new trial.

 

[cami]

Can any one clear up these questions for me?
1. The bloood splatter found on the back of Darlies shirt contained blood from both Darlie & the boys mixed together, if Darlie stabbed boys then injured herself how is her blood on back of shirt mixed with boys blood?
2. Robert Lohnnes -latent print consultant- signed affidavit stating that in his opinion the fingerprint - exibit 85J - was not made by Darlie. What proff is there to say that print is Darlies?
If anyone could answer these I would be very greatful. Thanks.

Actually it contained Damon and Darlie's blood mixed together. Damon was stabbed at two separate times and in two different areas of the room. Darlie was bleeding from her own injuries when she stabbed Damon the second time...read Bevel's testimony.

The fingerprint will likely remain unidentified as it is just not good enough to get a reading from AFIS..read Cron's testimony.

It's smudged on glass in blood. The print most likely belongs to Darlie, it has a whorl pattern and Darlie has a whorl pattern on her ring finger. So does Devon but there is no indication that Devon was anywhere near that table..none of his blood in the area...

Lohnes is a defense expert..of course he is going to say it's not Darlie's.

You have to take the bloody smudged fingerprint with all the other evidence Nicola..if it's an intruder, why one small bloody fingerprint. He was allegedly fighting with Darlie enough to cut her neck and bruise her arms...where's the rest of his bloody fingerprints, footprints? Not one speck of blood found from the garage on out..nothing outside.

 

[cami]

Rino - Were these prints bloody? Is there any way to distinguish whether they were from the crime, or just prints you would find in any household?

There's only two patent (bloody) prints...the rest are latent. On bloody print is on the sofa table..the other is on the utility room door.

Once you learn the blood, you will be left in no doubt as I am that the bloody print on the sofa table is Darlie's. There are a line of blood drops along the sofa cushions, there's also blood transfers on the arm of the sofa as if someone squeezed through there..you know to try and get to a moving body she thought was dead...

 

[cami]

Thanks for your help. Question: How do they know whether prints are part of a crime scene or not (besides the obvious)? Like the print on the sliding glass door, how is it linked to the crime? I did read that Darren's print was found on the UR Door but was not in blood and of course he being a member of the household, wasn't associated with the crime but for some reason "her" team was leave this print "alone"

I'm sure all of us have unidentified prints in our homes...we have friends over, we have tradesmen in maybe...I am sure Darlie didn't wash her windows every day. Just as we all have unsourced hair and fibre in our homes. We all transfer hair daily, we drop hair daily. I don't pay much attention to unsourced hair unless it's found clutched in the hand of the victim...had Darlie been fighting with an intruder surely she would have snagged a hair or a piece of skin tissue. After all her dna is found in the toe of the bloody sock found outside, shed skin cells.

These prints mean nothing.

 

[whitywendy]

There's only two patent (bloody) prints...the rest are latent. On bloody print is on the sofa table..the other is on the utility room door.

Once you learn the blood, you will be left in no doubt as I am that the bloody print on the sofa table is Darlie's. There are a line of blood drops along the sofa cushions, there's also blood transfers on the arm of the sofa as if someone squeezed through there..you know to try and get to a moving body she thought was dead...

Thank you Cami. I knew it was Damon's blood in regards to the shirt.

What I was asking about, someone has stated that there was an unidentifiable print found on the sliding glass door. And what I wanted to know was, how can they tell (besides the obvious/blood) that this print had anything to do with the crime. Anyone who had been in the home visiting prior to the murders could of left that print. So is there any way to distinguish besides testing everyone the family states would have prints there?

 

[cami]

I interpretated what I read about blood splatter on back of shirt as the blood was a mixture of both thier blood. If what your saying is right (that darlies blood was under devons blood) then what the prosecution said about her killing kids and then 'attacking' herself must be wrong.

NO, it's not wrong. Damon was attacked at two separate times and in two separate areas of the room. Darlie attacks Damon, then Devon..she thinks their dead. She's at the kitchen sink inflicting that neck slash when she hears something. Damon is alive and moving. She attacks him again, thereby getting his blood over hers as she has already inflicted the neck cut and has bled on her nightshirt.

Nicola, the blood evidence proves Damon was attacked twice and in two separate areas of the room...

Yes I forgot she's also cut on the arm by this time so her blood is flinging back from that arm wound as well as from the knife.

 

[whitywendy]

I'm sure all of us have unidentified prints in our homes...we have friends over, we have tradesmen in maybe...I am sure Darlie didn't wash her windows every day. Just as we all have unsourced hair and fibre in our homes. We all transfer hair daily, we drop hair daily. I don't pay much attention to unsourced hair unless it's found clutched in the hand of the victim...had Darlie been fighting with an intruder surely she would have snagged a hair or a piece of skin tissue. After all her dna is found in the toe of the bloody sock found outside, shed skin cells.

These prints mean nothing.

Thanks again, you answered me before I finished my reply. That's exactly what I was trying to point out. Just because it was unidentifiable doesn't at all point to the fact that an "intruder" left it. Thanks again...:blowkiss:

 

[cami]

Thank you Cami. I knew it was Damon's blood in regards to the shirt.

What I was asking about, someone has stated that there was an unidentifiable print found on the sliding glass door. And what I wanted to know was, how can they tell (besides the obvious/blood) that this print had anything to do with the crime. Anyone who had been in the home visiting prior to the murders could of left that print. So is there any way to distinguish besides testing everyone the family states would have prints there?

I guess I'm not following you. I don't know anything about fingerprints on the sliding glass door. The only two bloody prints were on the Utility Room door and the glass sofa table. If there is an unidentified print on the sliding glass door, I don't think it means much. It obviously does not belong to a known criminal..like a burglar.

 

[Rino]

Rino - I thought it was Damon's blood on top of Darlie's, which brought about the theory of the 2nd attack on Damon after she cut her throat.

I initially said it was Devons but I chalk that up to a faulty memory (getting old ) Damon was attacted twice in different areas of the room, right I stand corrected on that.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:nY-_rYljfCwJ:caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl%3Fcourt%3Dtx%26vol%3Dapp/72795%26invol%3D1+Mr.+Bevel+routier+testimony&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
The State's blood spatter expert, Tom Bevel, testified that he found four cast-off or spatter bloodstains on the nightshirt the appellant had been wearing on the night of the murder. All of the stains contained some of the appellant's blood and some of the blood of either Damon or Devon.
Bevel testified that the stains could be either (1) two separate stains with the appellant's blood overlaying the child's blood or (2) a mixture of both the appellant's blood and the child's blood. Bevel said that if the stains were a mixture, it would show that the appellant had been cut before the stain was deposited, which is inconsistent the State's theory that the appellant stabbed the children first before inflicting her own wounds. If the stains were overlaid, it would be consistent with the State's theory of the case. Bevel testified that at least one of the stains appeared to be mixed, not overlaid. He testified that the other three could have been overlaid stains

 

[whitywendy]

I initially said it was Devons but I chalk that up to a faulty memory (getting old ) Damon was attacted twice in different areas of the room, right I stand corrected on that.
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache...el+routier+testimony&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
The State's blood spatter expert, Tom Bevel, testified that he found four cast-off or spatter bloodstains on the nightshirt the appellant had been wearing on the night of the murder. All of the stains contained some of the appellant's blood and some of the blood of either Damon or Devon.
Bevel testified that the stains could be either (1) two separate stains with the appellant's blood overlaying the child's blood or (2) a mixture of both the appellant's blood and the child's blood. Bevel said that if the stains were a mixture, it would show that the appellant had been cut before the stain was deposited, which is inconsistent the State's theory that the appellant stabbed the children first before inflicting her own wounds. If the stains were overlaid, it would be consistent with the State's theory of the case. Bevel testified that at least one of the stains appeared to be mixed, not overlaid. He testified that the other three could have been overlaid stains

I'm getting CRS allot lately...:bang: Thanks!

 

[nicola]

Bevels testimony was, at worst, neutral. He said that, in his opinion, one of the stains was mixed. This tended to support the appellant's theory of the case. He said that he could not be certain about the other three stains. This testimony was not highly probative of the question of the appellant's guilt.http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:nY-_rYljfCwJ:caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl%3Fcourt%3Dtx%26vol%3Dapp/72795%26invol%3D1+Mr.+Bevel+routier+testimony&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
Therefore the blood splatter evidence on back of her shirt does not prove that she stabbed her kids.

 

[cami]

Bevels testimony was, at worst, neutral. He said that, in his opinion, one of the stains was mixed. This tended to support the appellant's theory of the case. He said that he could not be certain about the other three stains. This testimony was not highly probative of the question of the appellant's guilt.http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:nY-_rYljfCwJ:caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl%3Fcourt%3Dtx%26vol%3Dapp/72795%26invol%3D1+Mr.+Bevel+routier+testimony&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
Therefore the blood splatter evidence on back of her shirt does not prove that she stabbed her kids.

It does with all the evidence taken together.

The demonstration done by the blood expert was pretty convincing. The blood landing exactly as it is shown on the nightshirt.

Once again, you need to read the trial testimony and not this google case law. Bevel's opinion is backed up by other leading blood experts.

 

[Rino]

Additionally, what was linked was an appeal that was denied. Therefore the arguement that Bevels testimony was, at worst, neutral etc... must be taken at face value, thrown out too.

 

[cami]

Additionally, what was linked was an appeal that was denied. Therefore the arguement that Bevels testimony was, at worst, neutral etc... must be taken at face value, thrown out too.

Yeah that was the appeal document which is filed by the defence so we only have their opinion and it's biased.

It's the shape of the cast-off blood that convinces me. There is one clear stain in Damon's blood. The tail is pointing upward toward the source of the blood..the dripping knife. There is also a cast-off on the right front shoulder from the knife as she brought her arm back down.

When I saw that demonstration by Bevel, the stains landed exactly as they appear on Darlie's nightshirt.

 

[nicola]

When I saw that demonstration by Bevel, the stains landed exactly as they appear on Darlie's nightshirt.

Where did you see demo by bevel? Can you get it on net?

 

[whitywendy]

Where did you see demo by bevel? Can you get it on net?

Yes, I would like to see it too Cami. Can we do a search for it?