Darlie's injuries

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Don't want you to hurt your head over this, LOL.

Yes, I agree that the difference in depth of the wounds could indicate two attacks on Damon with the second attack the more forceful the stabbing hence the deeper wounds. The blood indicates that Damon was stabbed, moved and was stabbed again. The cast-off blood on the wall near his final position and the cast-off blood on the back of Darlie's nightshirt...Damon's blood overlaying hers. The blood also indicates his initial position was on the floor in front of the couch where Darlie was allegedly sleeping.


I don't think the position Darlie was in has much to offer in the way of evidence. That sounds like a smoke screen to me. Why would a doctor think you have to assume the exact same position twice to stab someone. That makes no sense to me. Especially when you find you target crawling away.

The blood patterns also show that someone bleeding from the forearm, bled onto the murder weapon, hence the heavy concentration of blood at the tip of the knife. Someone stood there, near Damon, holding the knife in their hand while they bled down the arm and onto the knife. Darlie is the only person in this crime who was bleeding from the forearm.

The blood expert is trained to read the blood patterns and qualified to give his opinion as such. These were his findings. He also found blood patterns indicating the murder weapon was placed on the carpet, in the murder room, for a time. Yet, Darlie says she picked it up in the kitchen...... and placed it on the counter.... she says nothing about the murder room......:waitasec:


The position of the killer is important for both sides. The state does contend someone stabbed Damon in two locations in the den. or he was moving away at the time. that a 2nd attack on Damon is why his blood is on top of Darlie's on the knife. MY POINT EXACTLY. Knowing the position of the killer during attack is important because it can support or disprove some of these other questions. Like her speed in calling 911, before Damon is dead.


Her blood is concentrated on the of tip of the knife when it was dropped on the rr floor. not when it was found on the counter by police. The blood on the knife was Damons on top of Darlie right, Correct me if I'm wrong on the facts I'm trying to understand it all. Her blood from her arm wound is flowing in the rr. SHE MUST BE HOLDING THE KNIFE. If i'm getting you straight the blood expert is saying that the ONLY WAY the print can occur is is the person who dropped the knife is also bleeding from the arm.

This couldn't occur like she was was struggling with an intruder like she claims. She couldn't have been being attacked and gotton her blood on the knife that way then it was knocked out of her intruders hand or dropped by him either.

It seems to me there should in actuality be 3 layers of blood on that knife.
If it went down as has been sumised . damon-darlie-damon. Can this still be tested? Do the tests even exist that could detect this? Am I too much a CSI fan.

 

[beesy]

The position of the killer is important for both sides. The state does contend someone stabbed Damon in two locations in the den. or he was moving away at the time. that a 2nd attack on Damon is why his blood is on top of Darlie's on the knife. MY POINT EXACTLY. Knowing the position of the killer during attack is important because it can support or disprove some of these other questions. Like her speed in calling 911, before Damon is dead.

The position is important in the stabbing of Damon only because of his cast-off blood on the back of her nightshirt. She was probably in sort of a crawling position, which allowed the blood to spray on her back. It doesn't matter if she was in the same position for the first attack as in the second. And it doesn't matter how she was when she stabbed Devon, although I think maybe more reared back because I think he kicked at her. So you're saying it's important because it could answer some questions? What questions? Maybe we already know the answers. Damon probably stopped moving. She probably thought he was dead. Cami and I hear Darlie saying "Damon, Damon, Damon" under her breath on the 911 tape, as if she's trying to get someone's attention. I think it's a good possibilty that he began crawling again while she was on the phone. And again, this is where it gets muddy. If that's true, then Darin saw the whole thing, maybe Darin even helped her hold him down. Then they have this sort of sick bond between them. One can't tell on the other without putting him/herself right smack dab in it.

Her blood is concentrated on the of tip of the knife when it was dropped on the rr floor. not when it was found on the counter by police. The blood on the knife was Damons on top of Darlie right, Correct me if I'm wrong on the facts I'm trying to understand it all. Her blood from her arm wound is flowing in the rr. SHE MUST BE HOLDING THE KNIFE.

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We need to have some sort of award system here. No correcting needed, she had to have been holding the knife long enough for her bleeding arm to cause that much blood at the tip. Holding it downwards.

If i'm getting you straight the blood expert is saying that the ONLY WAY the print can occur is is the person who dropped the knife is also bleeding from the arm

Yep, and it would have to have been a longer period of time than just picking it up and putting it on the counter. There would have been droplets of blood around that area. Don't forget there was no blood where she claims the knife was dropped.

This couldn't occur like she was was struggling with an intruder like she claims. She couldn't have been being attacked and gotton her blood on the knife that way then it was knocked out of her intruders hand or dropped by him either

Nope it couldn't. It was not indicative of the knife being used on somebody. Don't forget Darlie's story. Her blur(hee) did not drop the knife in the family room. You can't create a story to fit the evidence and still believe Darlie is innocent. You have to go by her story. Alot of times I hear people say this is not a black or white case, but it is. Some things are gray, but not the case overall.

It seems to me there should in actuality be 3 layers of blood on that knife.
If it went down as has been sumised . damon-darlie-damon. Can this still be tested? Do the tests even exist that could detect this? Am I too much a CSI fan

It appears that Darlie rinsed off the knife while at the kitchen sink. No, I don't know why she did that. Maybe she wanted a clean knife to cut herself with? So it's Darlie's, Damon's and some places on the blade are mixed together. It is only Darlie's in the bloody outline though. She had to have stood there looking down at Damon, thinking "what do I do?" for a good amount of time. It also could have come from her walking around with the knife, from the kitchen sink to back in the family room area where the outline is. Have you changed your mind about the sturdiness of my bridge yet?
I like Crossing Jordan. Do you ever watch that?

 

[beesy]

ok BUT if you are right DARIN HAS to be involved in this why can't the state nail him too. Didn't they test stuff that implicates him too. Is it true they let him shower before going to the hospital and change clothes. THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE. I imagine none of the male cops let alone any female cops on the scene would have wanted to see Darin naked but in the interest of finding out the extent of his blood coverage they should have just cowboyed up. No broke back mountain implied here

Yes, most likely Darin is involved. I think it's more than just telling some lies for her too. In Darin's first hand-written Affidavit he says the first time he checked Damon, he had no pulse. This of course is not true. I'm not sure why he said that unless he wanted everybody to think Damon was dead before he really was, because later he somehow participated in a 2nd attack.
Nobody let him shower, but when he went to get the Neals, he washed his face and hands in the bathroom sink. At the hospital pictures were taken of him clothed and nude, his pants collected and he was given a scrubs or a gown to wear. Personally, I hope it was scrubs!
He's not in prison because there is not one speck of forensic evidence against him, not one.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

The position is important in the stabbing of Damon only because of his cast-off blood on the back of her nightshirt. She was probably in sort of a crawling position, which allowed the blood to spray on her back. It doesn't matter if she was in the same position for the first attack as in the second. And it doesn't matter how she was when she stabbed Devon, although I think maybe more reared back because I think he kicked at her. So you're saying it's important because it could answer some questions? What questions? Maybe we already know the answers. Damon probably stopped moving. She probably thought he was dead. Cami and I hear Darlie saying "Damon, Damon, Damon" under her breath on the 911 tape, as if she's trying to get someone's attention. I think it's a good possibilty that he began crawling again while she was on the phone. And again, this is where it gets muddy. If that's true, then Darin saw the whole thing, maybe Darin even helped her hold him down. Then they have this sort of sick bond between them. One can't tell on the other without putting him/herself right smack dab in it.
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We need to have some sort of award system here. No correcting needed, she had to have been holding the knife long enough for her bleeding arm to cause that much blood at the tip. Holding it downwards.
Yep, and it would have to have been a longer period of time than just picking it up and putting it on the counter. There would have been droplets of blood around that area. Don't forget there was no blood where she claims the knife was dropped.
Nope it couldn't. It was not indicative of the knife being used on somebody. Don't forget Darlie's story. Her blur(hee) did not drop the knife in the family room. You can't create a story to fit the evidence and still believe Darlie is innocent. You have to go by her story. Alot of times I hear people say this is not a black or white case, but it is. Some things are gray, but not the case overall.
It appears that Darlie rinsed off the knife while at the kitchen sink. No, I don't know why she did that. Maybe she wanted a clean knife to cut herself with? So it's Darlie's, Damon's and some places on the blade are mixed together. It is only Darlie's in the bloody outline though. She had to have stood there looking down at Damon, thinking "what do I do?" for a good amount of time. It also could have come from her walking around with the knife, from the kitchen sink to back in the family room area where the outline is. Have you changed your mind about the sturdiness of my bridge yet?
I like Crossing Jordan. Do you ever watch that?

I like that show too. I wouldn't be crossing your bridge cause I'm holed up landlocked anyway. Your bridge still lets someone walk on that bridge SCOTT FREE. That's an old falsehood, the expression that is,it should
be modernized to scott's in jail awaiting death, and like Scott if Darin had anything to do with this he should be there too. Sometimes the cops don't get em all. If wishes were horses we'd all be flying .

From reading the Darlie website it looks like they are running additional dna tests right now and if something comes up maybe Darin won't be free.

Just pray for answers, thats what I'm going to do, hope we get some and ask God In Jesus name that he send us some. Even if they aren't the answers some people expect, more of them is better than less.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

Yes, most likely Darin is involved. I think it's more than just telling some lies for her too. In Darin's first hand-written Affidavit he says the first time he checked Damon, he had no pulse. This of course is not true. I'm not sure why he said that unless he wanted everybody to think Damon was dead before he really was, because later he somehow participated in a 2nd attack.
Nobody let him shower, but when he went to get the Neals, he washed his face and hands in the bathroom sink. At the hospital pictures were taken of him clothed and nude, his pants collected and he was given a scrubs or a gown to wear. Personally, I hope it was scrubs!
He's not in prison because there is not one speck of forensic evidence against him, not one.

Ok question to ask- what swirl pattern in sink and whose blood? Was it a right or left swirl, i know something about science here. Go flush your toliet and watch it go down. Ask yourself what hemisphere of the world you are in . If the answer is COUNTERCLOCK WISE AND NORTHERN THEN YOU have learned something about vortexs. If you didn't already know.
What was found in the drain?
This would prove the theory Devons blood is there and you have to admit Darlie being able to eliminate it from the knife is EXTREMELY RARE, ALMOST UNHEARD OF.She would leave a trace somewhere where she cleaned it.
Speaking of drains it looks like a BR is right there too. What was found there, she could have used a different sink, I can't seem to find any results in my book to those questions.

 

[SnootyVixen]

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Darlie does not say she walked around with the knife. She says she picked it up off of the floor and put it on the counter. That's secondary anyway. The important thing here is that the knife was placed on the family room floor and an outline of it was created by Darlie's blood. She has never said anything about carrying the knife back into the room. To me, this outline is the smoking gun. Other people think it's the screen fiber, which is powerful evidence, but it can be disputed. She cannot explain away why that knife made a bloody outline in her blood. Another thing about the knife, Damon's blood was found on TOP of Darlie's on the knife blade.

To Everyone, not just Beesy
That Darlie does not say that she walked around with the knife is true. But perhaps she did and does not recall that. Imagine this. She has the knife in her hand while walking away from the utility room and sees her son Devon covered with blood and the death look to his face and then she runs to Damon and checks him over and sees the stabs to his back and has him lay himself down upon the carpet, all the while holding the knife. As she helps him to lie down she temporarily lays the knife down on the carpet and as she rises again she just picks it up again. I could see her having it in her hand even while running to the foyer to yell for Darin and then running back to the kitchen to get the telephone to call the emergency number and then while on the telephone just laying the knife down on a convenient counter top. Just because she does not recall this does not mean it did not happen and it would explain why there was so very little blood on the knife.
I have always been of the opinion that when telling her story of what happened that night she was sort of just telling the high lights or an overall brief sketch of the important things, being what happened regarding the intruder and her sons. That is why I do not believe that much thought should be given to anything like not telling the police "And I wet a bunch of towels, or things like that. It is not the kind of thing one would tell a police officer when asked "what happened here". One would just say 'someone came in here and stabbed us". I think that if pushed and questioned rightly that Darlie would have been forthcoming with more facts in the beginning but I don't see her thinking that anyone would want to know what she or Darin was doing. Why would they? In her mind?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

To Everyone, not just Beesy
That Darlie does not say that she walked around with the knife is true. But perhaps she did and does not recall that. Imagine this. She has the knife in her hand while walking away from the utility room and sees her son Devon covered with blood and the death look to his face and then she runs to Damon and checks him over and sees the stabs to his back and has him lay himself down upon the carpet, all the while holding the knife. As she helps him to lie down she temporarily lays the knife down on the carpet and as she rises again she just picks it up again. I could see her having it in her hand even while running to the foyer to yell for Darin and then running back to the kitchen to get the telephone to call the emergency number and then while on the telephone just laying the knife down on a convenient counter top. Just because she does not recall this does not mean it did not happen and it would explain why there was so very little blood on the knife.
I have always been of the opinion that when telling her story of what happened that night she was sort of just telling the high lights or an overall brief sketch of the important things, being what happened regarding the intruder and her sons. That is why I do not believe that much thought should be given to anything like not telling the police "And I wet a bunch of towels, or things like that. It is not the kind of thing one would tell a police officer when asked "what happened here". One would just say 'someone came in here and stabbed us". I think that if pushed and questioned rightly that Darlie would have been forthcoming with more facts in the beginning but I don't see her thinking that anyone would want to know what she or Darin was doing. Why would they? In her mind?

Darlin, she told 16 different versions of her "story." I would think that at least one of them would contain something close to this. She put the knife down because she thought he was dead. When he started to try and get away from her, she picked the knife back up and finished him off. If you don't believe that Darlie was "questioned rightly," I would suggest that you read her trial testimony. You can get much more "right" than that.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

This chick, for some reason, reminded me of Darlie Lynn:

Smith said the suspect assaulted herself with a shoe heel. She had extensive bruising on both arms, "strangulation" marks, a bloody nose, facial bruising and lacerations, and pulled-out hair.


http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2006/02/07/news/news05.txt


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[beesy]

Ok question to ask- what swirl pattern in sink and whose blood? Was it a right or left swirl, i know something about science here. Go flush your toliet and watch it go down. Ask yourself what hemisphere of the world you are in . If the answer is COUNTERCLOCK WISE AND NORTHERN THEN YOU have learned something about vortexs. If you didn't already know.
What was found in the drain?
This would prove the theory Devons blood is there and you have to admit Darlie being able to eliminate it from the knife is EXTREMELY RARE, ALMOST UNHEARD OF.She would leave a trace somewhere where she cleaned it.
Speaking of drains it looks like a BR is right there too. What was found there, she could have used a different sink, I can't seem to find any results in my book to those questions.

You misunderstood. The blood which showed up with Luminol in a swirl pattern was on the kitchen countertop. In other words, it showed someone wiped it away. You are taking the word swirl too literally. It just means it wasn't drops or pools, it was swirled as it would be when you try to wipe up liquid. When blood shows up with Luminol, they cannot test it. It just glows. It's a ghost. Nothing known to man can hide a goodly amount such as that which was found on the counter and in the sink. The blood in the sink simply glowed. It has nothing to do with how it went down the drain.
I'm not sure why you are bringing up how the toilets flush in places like Aus and NZ. The kitchen sink has nothing to do with flushing toilets. I'm pretty sure all of us have learned that toilets flush the other way in those areas. Their seasons are also backwards. It is summer there now. What does that have to do with a kitchen sink in TX?
As for Devon's blood being found on the knife, if she rinsed off the knife, there wouldn't be much left. Then you've got her blood and then Damon's blood on top of the rinsed blade. I think it is Dasgal who suggested they should have tested inside the handle of the knife. If I remember correctly there was a bit of Devon's blood on the kitchen backsplash, which was visible to the naked eye so was tested. I think. Cami or Goody will know.
Besides, why does that matter? There is no other knife. There is only one weapon and that it is the big butcher knife wielded by his MOTHER
And if neither side mentions the bathroom, I'm assuming nothing was found in there.

 

[beesy]

Darlin, she told 16 different versions of her "story." I would think that at least one of them would contain something close to this. She put the knife down because she thought he was dead. When he started to try and get away from her, she picked the knife back up and finished him off. If you don't believe that Darlie was "questioned rightly," I would suggest that you read her trial testimony. You can get much more "right" than that.

I agree, if Darlie hadn't been so adamant about picking the knife up from the floor and putting it on the kitchen counter, maybe we could consider some other options. That is one of the few things which she includes in every story. She even tells the 911 OP she picked it up. She did not walk around with it. If she did have it in her hand(and she was innocent) doing all of the things suggested by Snooty, Darin would have seen it and said so. You can't change Darlie's story to squeeze in the forensics. As many outs as Darlie has tried, she would have claimed it "dawned" on her that she might have held onto the knife , but she doesn't.

 

[beesy]

I like that show too. I wouldn't be crossing your bridge cause I'm holed up landlocked anyway. Your bridge still lets someone walk on that bridge SCOTT FREE

I said there was enough forensic evidence against Darlie to build a bridge across the Atlantic, not anybody else.

 

[cami]

ok BUT if you are right DARIN HAS to be involved in this why can't the state nail him too. Didn't they test stuff that implicates him too. Is it true they let him shower before going to the hospital and change clothes. THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE. I imagine none of the male cops let alone any female cops on the scene would have wanted to see Darin naked but in the interest of finding out the extent of his blood coverage they should have just cowboyed up. No broke back mountain implied here.
This is what also makes me angry about the case like in my friends Mark murder 2 people had to have been involved and only 1 of them is in prison, the police aren't even pursuing the 2nd killer.

NO, they didn't let him shower, LOL.....they let him run across to the Neals and get her since she was a nurse. Allegedly, he washed blood from his face in their bathroom.

What you have to understand is that the story Darlie told about what happened that night does not jive with the physical evidence or the blood evidence. Couple that with that cast-off blood on her nightshirt and that all but seals it.

 

[cami]

The position of the killer is important for both sides. The state does contend someone stabbed Damon in two locations in the den. or he was moving away at the time. that a 2nd attack on Damon is why his blood is on top of Darlie's on the knife. MY POINT EXACTLY. Knowing the position of the killer during attack is important because it can support or disprove some of these other questions. Like her speed in calling 911, before Damon is dead.

Okay what position would the intruder have had to be in to murder Damon? The cast-off blood on the back of Darlie's nightshirt indicates her position, kneeling down over the boys...stabbing them.

Her blood is concentrated on the of tip of the knife when it was dropped on the rr floor. not when it was found on the counter by police. The blood on the knife was Damons on top of Darlie right, Correct me if I'm wrong on the facts I'm trying to understand it all. Her blood from her arm wound is flowing in the rr. SHE MUST BE HOLDING THE KNIFE. If i'm getting you straight the blood expert is saying that the ONLY WAY the print can occur is is the person who dropped the knife is also bleeding from the arm.

No, that's not correct. The knife was laid down on the carpet in the RR, not dropped. The heavy concentration of blood at the tip is in the pattern of the knife in the carpet. I believe it's page 380 in MTJD. Blood drops in the carpet indicate someone was standing there briefly, bleeding from the forearm, down the knife then dripping off it to the carpet. You really should read Bevel's testimony.

This couldn't occur like she was was struggling with an intruder like she claims. She couldn't have been being attacked and gotton her blood on the knife that way then it was knocked out of her intruders hand or dropped by him either.

That's correct, it couldn't occur while she was struggling with an intruder, there was no intruder, there's only Darlie. The previous paragraph explains the blood findings. If she was fighting with an intruder weilding a knife, you would expect to see some defense wounds on her fingers, palms, underside of her arms, on her face and her head...slash marks and cuts from the knife AND some cast-off blood indicating same...not blood drops.

It seems to me there should in actuality be 3 layers of blood on that knife.
If it went down as has been sumised . damon-darlie-damon. Can this still be tested? Do the tests even exist that could detect this? Am I too much a CSI fan.[/QUOTE]


??? Actually, there should be Devon's blood as well but we know, well some of us do, she most likely rinsed that knife at the kitchen sink or she wiped their blood off on a hand towel before she turned it on herself. Blood was wiped from the counters in swipe patterns and washed down the sink as the luminol proved. Tidy intruder eh? Blood is inside the kitchen cupboard under the sink...Darlie's blood.....Blood drops on the kitchen floor in front of the sink, Darlie's blood...indicates someone stood there bleeding and not moving much.... whole blood....not diluted with water......

 

[cami]

Ok question to ask- what swirl pattern in sink and whose blood? Was it a right or left swirl, i know something about science here. Go flush your toliet and watch it go down. Ask yourself what hemisphere of the world you are in . If the answer is COUNTERCLOCK WISE AND NORTHERN THEN YOU have learned something about vortexs. If you didn't already know.
What was found in the drain?
This would prove the theory Devons blood is there and you have to admit Darlie being able to eliminate it from the knife is EXTREMELY RARE, ALMOST UNHEARD OF.She would leave a trace somewhere where she cleaned it.
Speaking of drains it looks like a BR is right there too. What was found there, she could have used a different sink, I can't seem to find any results in my book to those questions.

It's a swipe pattern on the kitchen counter indicating the blood was wiped up, not a swirl pattern in the sink.

Rattle, there wasn't much blood from the boys, it's mostly all Darlie's blood. The boys had seepage wounds as opposed to spurting wounds. Their blood pooled around their bodies. It's quite possible that Devon's blood was wiped off when the knife went into Damon's body or she could have wiped it on a towel....Devon's cast-off blood on the back of her nightshirt indicates she was the one stabbing.

There was no blood found in any of the other sinks, just the kitchen sink.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

To Everyone, not just Beesy
That Darlie does not say that she walked around with the knife is true. But perhaps she did and does not recall that. Imagine this. She has the knife in her hand while walking away from the utility room and sees her son Devon covered with blood and the death look to his face and then she runs to Damon and checks him over and sees the stabs to his back and has him lay himself down upon the carpet, all the while holding the knife. As she helps him to lie down she temporarily lays the knife down on the carpet and as she rises again she just picks it up again. I could see her having it in her hand even while running to the foyer to yell for Darin and then running back to the kitchen to get the telephone to call the emergency number and then while on the telephone just laying the knife down on a convenient counter top. Just because she does not recall this does not mean it did not happen and it would explain why there was so very little blood on the knife.
I have always been of the opinion that when telling her story of what happened that night she was sort of just telling the high lights or an overall brief sketch of the important things, being what happened regarding the intruder and her sons. That is why I do not believe that much thought should be given to anything like not telling the police "And I wet a bunch of towels, or things like that. It is not the kind of thing one would tell a police officer when asked "what happened here". One would just say 'someone came in here and stabbed us". I think that if pushed and questioned rightly that Darlie would have been forthcoming with more facts in the beginning but I don't see her thinking that anyone would want to know what she or Darin was doing. Why would they? In her mind?

Personally if I'd been dumb enough to pick up the knife i wouldn't have put it down unless I could have traded up for a gun. The cops would have to reassure me no one is around and its safe to put it down. I would also be so out of it the y'd have to pry it out of my hands. I SURE LOOK GUILTY when i'm just scared.

 

[SnootyVixen]

Darlin, she told 16 different versions of her "story." I would think that at least one of them would contain something close to this. She put the knife down because she thought he was dead. When he started to try and get away from her, she picked the knife back up and finished him off. If you don't believe that Darlie was "questioned rightly," I would suggest that you read her trial testimony. You can get much more "right" than that.

Rightly was a poor choice for a word. I did not mean that she was not questioned correctly but that had she been questioned in a very detailed sort of way in the beginning that she may have told all of the things that are found to be so suspicious by many of you. However in the beginning I think that the police who were questioning her were also not too interested in what she might have done with a towel but with what happened as far as the killing of her sons and her own wounds etc. So I do not think it is fair to put the blame on Darlie for not telling that she wet towels in the beginning. I know that much is made of the fact that she said that later and many say when she knew that the officials were taking the sink from the kitchen. I do not know if it was precisely at that time but if it was then just seeing that may have made that memory come back to her.
I know I disagree with the general and the popular thoughts here but I must say again and again that when thinking about this time in a person's life you have to be flexible and generous with your deductions of their credibility. I do think that person's who have undergone a horrible experience are not theirselve's for quite a few days after. Even if you kill your children it is bound to be a horrible experience to you and you would show the trauma. But it seems to me that people here won't allow her to be traumatized whichever way it goes.
Face it the talk of no emotion and flat affect goes to deep depression. Her behavior at the birthday party which so many find objectionable can be explained by drugs. We know she was taking them. All the while she was in the hospital and all the while she was out of the hospital through the birthday party etc she was on drugs to calm her emotions. I do not understand how a stranger can look at someone under the influence of these drugs and make such far reaching decisions about their personality. You all act as if you have totally figured her out and yet you have not even seen her not doped up. So how can you know her? You see a young woman on the witness stand and you see her nervous and sort of losing her ability to be in control of her emotions and you think that means something? I beg you to put yourself in that position and see how you would behave. Especially if you were innocent. Being on a witness stand is a very frightening thing. Just look at the testimony of the doctors and the nurses to see how nervous they were. Getting things mixed up and contradicting themselves etc just from nerves I"m sure. Do you think Darlie had nerves of steel? NO. I"m sure she did not.
So what it really means in the end is that none of us know the real Darlie. We have only seen a fake Darlie who was in the utmost extremis. Only the GI Rattlesnake really knows the real Darlie and we would do well to listen to her if we wish to learn.
My question to you Ms. GI Rattlesnake is will you tell us what are your impressions of Darlie in this story telling of the 16 different tales so many speak of although I myself do not say that because I do not count what someone else say she say to them. How is that that it would be counted? Somebody tell me that. Why are those included in the tales? I want to know that because I don't think they should. Only the very words from Darlie should be there. We should have another sticky with just the words of Darlie.
I digress. And I digress mightedly I know. My humble apologies.
:snooty:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Personally if I'd been dumb enough to pick up the knife i wouldn't have put it down unless I could have traded up for a gun. The cops would have to reassure me no one is around and its safe to put it down. I would also be so out of it the y'd have to pry it out of my hands. I SURE LOOK GUILTY when i'm just scared.

That does make more sense. Actually, what they SHOULD have had to pry out of her hands is her children. Can you imagine just standing there staring down at your two dying children and NOT holding onto them for dear life?

 

[Goody]

I MUST ASK WHAT IS D&D?
Darlie AND Darin
Dungeons and Dragons
Dumber and Dumber
I have no clue??????

Depending on the discussion, D&D might be Darlie and Darin or Damon and Devon. If all are being discussed in the same discussion, there is shorthand to easy the typing burden.

If you want a Darlie suicide theory from me the only way I can see her taking out her kids with her is if they woke up and tried to stop her. She couldn't handle it, and either she did it in a rage or somehow hurt one of them struggling over the knife and once having injuried one of them she had to shut them both up. It can be made to fit all the evidence but if she was suicidal why wouldn't she just admit it after all now you don't have to kill yourself the State is gonna do it for you. A really suicidal person does't just snap out of feeling suicidal especially if you just killed your kids, you would suffer a breakdown, cause now you really have a reason to die and the rest of the world agrees with you.

I disagree. Many suicide survivors have gone on to kill their children. Someone who attempts or threatens suicide always raises a red flag. Just for the record though, I don't believe suicide was in the mix that night.

Like you though the motive is perplexing me as well. I'm learning more as I catch up its been years since I read the book. I got it on first release.

The motive almost has to be somewhere between an out of controll situation or one haphazardly planned. I wish she would get a new trial so a new investigation would open. Today investigators would be pushed to get more background information and family members could be pushed a little harder to cough up what they know. And I think they know plenty.

 

[Goody]

That does make more sense. Actually, what they SHOULD have had to pry out of her hands is her children. Can you imagine just standing there staring down at your two dying children and NOT holding onto them for dear life?

I watched Flight 93 three times last week. There was a scene with a mother talking via cell phone to her teenaged daughter who was on the plane and headed for certain death that really, really got to me. I can't even imagine being put in such a horrifying position, but like the woman in the story I think most of us would hang tough for our kids who are wounded or in terrible situations. After the line was disconnected, the mother went hysterical because she knew there was no way out for her girl. My point is that only someone totally disconnected from their child for whatever reason COULD stand there and watch their child die without scooping them up in their arms. Neither one of these parents did. By their own descriptions of their actions that night, even through all of their edits, they have never said they picked their child up and held him...or even just his head. They can't because the blood evidence wouldn't support them so they have to give excuses why they didn't. I've run into some pretty insensitive parents in my day, but none that cold and distant. No wonder Mulder called Darlie a "cold fish." When it came to the kids, she was pretty devoid of emotion.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I watched Flight 93 three times last week. There was a scene with a mother talking via cell phone to her teenaged daughter who was on the plane and headed for certain death that really, really got to me. I can't even imagine being put in such a horrifying position, but like the woman in the story I think most of us would hang tough for our kids who are wounded or in terrible situations. After the line was disconnected, the mother went hysterical because she knew there was no way out for her girl. My point is that only someone totally disconnected from their child for whatever reason COULD stand there and watch their child die without scooping them up in their arms. Neither one of these parents did. By their own descriptions of their actions that night, even through all of their edits, they have never said they picked their child up and held him...or even just his head. They can't because the blood evidence wouldn't support them so they have to give excuses why they didn't. I've run into some pretty insensitive parents in my day, but none that cold and distant. No wonder Mulder called Darlie a "cold fish." When it came to the kids, she was pretty devoid of emotion.

Makes a huge difference when you're the cause of the death though! LOL Darin, at least, according to all at the scene, tried to do something. Darlie stood there, with a cop telling her over and over and over to DO SOMETHING. So, I don't buy the "cold fish" story. What I think is more likely is the "hand in the cookie jar" theory. She didn't want to be anywhere near the blood so she could try and distance herself from the deed.