David Carradine Found Dead

Pardon my ignorance but I am confused over the positioning with the hands tied..If the point of the autoerotic affixiation was to cut of your blood supply and thus heighten your pleasure wouldnt you have to some how actually be plaeasuring yourself during the act and when he bent his legs then tighten the cord around his neck thus creating the heightened experience.. how can that happen if there is no phycial contact with his hands, a external mehcanical device or another person? It would be impossible to derive pleasure with out some form of contact with is genitals.. in this case there is no other then the cord which wouldn't seem to be a form of pleasure except for the possible prolonged length of the pleasure due to the compressed blood vessels. Other wise it simply would appear to be more of a wacked out method of suicide.. as there is no pleasure principal here.. if I am missing something please correct me..

Boy you phrased all that nicely. You could recite that in Sunday School it was so carefully worded LOL

I had similar questions but didn't know how to say them.
 
Initially, there were reports that he had a rope around his neck and his penis. If there was a rope around his penis, could it have been done in such a way as to provide stimulation, thereby not needing his hands?

Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to. Not commenting on your post, commenting on the practice of AEA.
 
The aspect of " he died with his hands tied behind him" makes about as much sense as the Georgia college professor who recently murdered his spouse and another couple outside an Atlanta area theatre.. then ended up " burying himself" and committing suicide.

I have trouble with both scenarios. It goes back to the old " Rambo" theory- a person doesn't have a way to either bury themselves or tie both hands.
My husband, who is usually quite bright, said " Maybe he tied his hands in front, and with his martial arts abilities, stepped through his arms or put them behind him".
I almosr handed him a long piece of ribbon and asked him to show me how he could tie his hands up in FRONT of his body, but I let it go. He's got some answer for everything LOL.

Here's an interesting piece in Slate online about David's apparent AEA and some interesting remarks from an insurance investigator about denied life insurance claims for same- claiming suicide by intentional hanging/ asphysciation was planned, thus voiding the insurance policy.

I also had never read the other person's comment about a lemon being placed in the mouth. What keeps an unconscious person from choking on the lemon?

Anyway, since I apparently lack imagination in these matters, please have a look at this Slate article, "Strangle With Care- David Carradine may have died attempting autoerotic asphyxiation. Is there a safe way to do that?" :
http://www.slate.com/id/2219784/
 
Can someone PM me the link or the picture that was published in the Tai rag? Thanks In advance!
 
The aspect of " he died with his hands tied behind him" makes about as much sense as the Georgia college professor who recently murdered his spouse and another couple outside an Atlanta area theatre.. then ended up " burying himself" and committing suicide.

I have trouble with both scenarios. It goes back to the old " Rambo" theory- a person doesn't have a way to either bury themselves or tie both hands.
My husband, who is usually quite bright, said " Maybe he tied his hands in front, and with his martial arts abilities, stepped through his arms or put them behind him".
I almosr handed him a long piece of ribbon and asked him to show me how he could tie his hands up in FRONT of his body, but I let it go. He's got some answer for everything LOL.

Here's an interesting piece in Slate online about David's apparent AEA and some interesting remarks from an insurance investigator about denied life insurance claims for same- claiming suicide by intentional hanging/ asphysciation was planned, thus voiding the insurance policy.

I also had never read the other person's comment about a lemon being placed in the mouth. What keeps an unconscious person from choking on the lemon?

Anyway, since I apparently lack imagination in these matters, please have a look at this Slate article, "Strangle With Care- David Carradine may have died attempting autoerotic asphyxiation. Is there a safe way to do that?" :
http://www.slate.com/id/2219784/

Thanks for the article... I thought that this was interesting:
"Studies suggest that people who practice AEA do so because of the risk of flirting with death—not just because..."

If that is the case I wish he would have valued his life as much as his friends, family and fans did. *sigh*:(
 
Boy you phrased all that nicely. You could recite that in Sunday School it was so carefully worded LOL

I had similar questions but didn't know how to say them.

why thank you :blushing:
 
Often people flirt with death, but I feel that these people "might" appreciate the risks, but of course it would never happen to them that they actually might die and meet death. I am sure that does not cross their mind, especially if they have done this type of action before and nothing happened.
 
Thanks for the article... I thought that this was interesting:
"Studies suggest that people who practice AEA do so because of the risk of flirting with death—not just because..."

If that is the case I wish he would have valued his life as much as his friends, family and fans did. *sigh*:(
I think that is exactly why they are interested in AEA...especially when a person can be pleasured another safer way. What is the point other than the excitement, risk, and thrill factor...

tragic…
 
I think that is exactly why they are interested in AEA...especially when a person can be pleasured another safer way. What is the point other than the excitement, risk, and thrill factor...

tragic…

I understand... I was just wondering if he was more reckless with his life than even your average AEA because of his history with suicidal ideation.

I was also trying to express that it seems like he had a long history of not loving himself, which is so sad because he was loved by so many.
 
Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to. Not commenting on your post, commenting on the practice of AEA.


That was my question. It is an awful lot of work to pleasure one's self so I guess it is about risk taking too. I don't think the person expects to die either. The risk and pleasure must be the thrill that they are seeking.

It still seems like much wasted energy for pleasure with all that it involves. It would have been easier to hire a woman to be with. A rather dangerous practice too, as one can see.


I guess I find it hard to understand.

Gozgals
 
That was my question. It is an awful lot of work to pleasure one's self so I guess it is about risk taking too. I don't think the person expects to die either. The risk and pleasure must be the thrill that they are seeking.

It still seems like much wasted energy for pleasure with all that it involves. It would have been easier to hire a woman to be with. A rather dangerous practice too, as one can see.


I guess I find it hard to understand.

Gozgals

Cocaine use generally goes hand in hand with depression/suicidal tendencies or risk taking, and Carradine was no stranger to that.

Whatever he was up to, it didn't warrant a death sentence. I've been trying to imagine what it would be like to have the whole world know my father/uncle/brother died that way... awful.
 
It is a hell of a way to go out, isn't it? I guess it is his age too that makes even more bizarre. You don't typically think of 72 yr olds as being....well sexually active much less sexually active and kinky.

I had a good friend who killed himself at the age of 20 years old. He put his belt around his neck, tacked it up to the doorway and lifted his legs up off the ground strangling himself. That is how I imagine this as happening - I haven't looked at the pics but I imagine him lifting his legs up putting the pressure on the rope but the problem with that is when he passed out his body would have slackened and his legs would have been back on the floor.
I think it was most likely an accident I am just still not clear on how it happened but again, I have not looked at the pics so maybe I am not imagining the scenario correctly.
 
Cocaine use generally goes hand in hand with depression/suicidal tendencies or risk taking, and Carradine was no stranger to that.

Whatever he was up to, it didn't warrant a death sentence. I've been trying to imagine what it would be like to have the whole world know my father/uncle/brother died that way... awful.

I thought about how Annie will explain it to her kids and when they return to school in the fall what they will have to deal with. And his grown kids, and his brothers.

Even though I really am a bible thumping fundamentalist, I also think that whatever people do privately that doesn't hurt anyone bla bla bla is none of my business and not intrinsically "bad". But geeze, David, what were you thinking? A public hotel room? And such a stupid and dangerous practice?

Anyway, I just looked at the autopsy photo (he looks very peaceful) and the ligature marks on the neck, if that is what I am seeing, look pretty severe. The cord itself is smaller than I imagined it.

Now I feel a little sick. I'm not good at forensic photo analysis.
 
Thanks for the article... I thought that this was interesting:
"Studies suggest that people who practice AEA do so because of the risk of flirting with death—not just because..."

If that is the case I wish he would have valued his life as much as his friends, family and fans did. *sigh*:(

I have a theory about that. I think that just as addicts are always chasing a better high, some people, especially if they have women throwing themselves at them for decades and can have anything sexually that they desire, need more and more stimulation and intensity to acheive their "goal". This AEA seems like an extreme example of this need for more, better, higher.
 
I thought about how Annie will explain it to her kids and when they return to school in the fall what they will have to deal with. And his grown kids, and his brothers.

Even though I really am a bible thumping fundamentalist, I also think that whatever people do privately that doesn't hurt anyone bla bla bla is none of my business and not intrinsically "bad". But geeze, David, what were you thinking? A public hotel room? And such a stupid and dangerous practice?

Anyway, I just looked at the autopsy photo (he looks very peaceful) and the ligature marks on the neck, if that is what I am seeing, look pretty severe. The cord itself is smaller than I imagined it.

Now I feel a little sick. I'm not good at forensic photo analysis.

can't find photo - geez you guys are much better searchers than I.

Link?
 
I thought about how Annie will explain it to her kids and when they return to school in the fall what they will have to deal with. And his grown kids, and his brothers.

Even though I really am a bible thumping fundamentalist, I also think that whatever people do privately that doesn't hurt anyone bla bla bla is none of my business and not intrinsically "bad". But geeze, David, what were you thinking? A public hotel room? And such a stupid and dangerous practice?
Anyway, I just looked at the autopsy photo (he looks very peaceful) and the ligature marks on the neck, if that is what I am seeing, look pretty severe. The cord itself is smaller than I imagined it.

Now I feel a little sick. I'm not good at forensic photo analysis.

This wasn't his first rodeo. Just his last.

He thought he could get away with it because he always had. He thought wrong.
 
can't find photo - geez you guys are much better searchers than I.

Link?

I've only been able to find a very small picture of the cover of the Thai Rath magazine. I don't have a link. Just google "Thai Rath David Carradine". Like I said it's a very small picture. I'm not sure what website everyone else is looking at.
 
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...-david-carradine-fake-see-here_100202481.html

The photographs(scroll down), which have seen the Carradine clan have their lawyer publicly warn publications of lawsuits, appear to be nothing more than a fake at worst, or a re-enactment at best.

The photographs displayed by the Bangkok tabloid show a man with dark skin and black hair, naked and suspended by a rope tied around his wrists and attached to a clothes bar inside what appears to be a cheap closet. A bed is less than one meter away from the closet and the room has a wooden floor - all hardly the stuff of a suite in a prestigious hotel such as the Swissotel Nai Lert Park.
 
Oh, man! I really wish I did not know all of this about DC. But no one made me read it. I have a great deal of sympathy for his family.
 

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