Day 3 SBTC - The 12 Days of JonBenet

[LifeCitizen]

I don't know who said it first, but Ive always gone with 'saved by the cross'. Pats all over.

 

[LifeCitizen]

Oh. My. I'd never seen this before. Just wow.
Thanks for sharing.

There's something wrong with all of them. Why would she say that?!

 

[kanzz]

There's something wrong with all of them. Why would she say that?!

Religion. It's Biblical. The victory of death has a connection to the resurrection of the cross. It sets us free. This is why it makes sense, imo, that the simple explanation for SBTC is "saved by the cross".

It's also noteworthy that this scripture is discussed on pg 298 of the book "Saved By The Cross". It would be interesting to know if PR owned this book. But even if not, we know she was familiar with this passage.
https://books.google.com/books?id=q...&q=Victory death "saved by the cross"&f=false

It does take gall to iterate it, though; all things considered.

1 Corinthians 15:55

15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed -

15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

15:54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

15:55 "Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"

15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

15:57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[LifeCitizen]

Gall, you got that right Kanzz.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Ugh, just makes the 'Victory' sign off on the ransom note all that more chilling. To me, it once again points to Patsy being culpable for the note.

 

[observation]

Save Burke the Culprit


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For anyone new here- this is just me being frustrated with the case. MOO


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[Pi Thoughts]

I too am very frustrated with the case and keep going back to the RN and the 911 call.
My latest is:

Secrets. Burke. Troubled. Child

 

[WhereAreTheyNow]

Send Burke to Chair

She's by the Cellar

 

[DrollForeignFaction]

Here's another connection to Patsy and "Victory!" I'm reading Dr. Andrew Hodges' book A Mother Gone Bad and he mentions in passing on page 67 that "for spiritual comfort Patsy watches the television program Victory." I've never read that anywhere else so I'm not sure how accurate that is, but Hodges did consult Judith Phillips (and possibly others, Judith is the only one I'm sure of) so she could have been the source of that. Just something that jumped out at me.

This is unrelated to SBTC but I've noticed another linguistic peculiarity shared by Pam Paugh and Patsy - I mean, the unknown author of the ransom note: referring to men as "gentlemen." From good ol' Crazy Aunt Pam's 10-19-1998 appearance on LKL:

We know who said it to the people at the "Enquirer," and because John Ramsey's name was mentioned in the article, this gentleman's law team, I believe by a Mr. Lee, feel that they need to go after John in order to get to the truth.

It may be worth noting that the "gentleman" in question is Stephen Miles, a man who Pam imo feels some contempt for based on the context and the interview. It comes off as passive aggressive Southern faux-genteelity to me: she refers to him in overly respectful terms but certainly does not actually regard him as a very respectable person. There is a similar disconnect in the ransom note's usage - the "two gentlemen" "watching over" JonBenet are hateful maniacs threatening to behead her. It always struck me as almost sarcastic, the way it sounded in my head. Of course, I have only read Pam's words - I might be missing her tone. Same with the ransom note. This may also be colored by the fact that I personally would only ever use the word "gentleman" in jest or ironically. I'm a Midwesterner, it's not part of my day-to-day vocabulary.

I was pleased the recent book Listen Carefully! highlights the ransom note writer's use of "gentlemen" as a significant clue in their linguistic profile. They describe it as a "regionalism mostly found in the American South" - something that sticks out in an "anonymous" note found in the home of a Southern expat residing in Colorado. As we can see, Patsy's Southern family also uses this phrasing. Not that any of this is groundbreaking since Patsy herself (!) used the term "two gentlemen" to describe the two policemen inthe room with her as she wrote that extemporaneous writing sample - clearly it's part of her vocabulary. All things considered, I wonder if there could have been some subtle hostility in her usage of "gentlemen" then as well. Lord knows Patsy wasn't fond of the police.

 

[TeaTime]

'Use that good southern common sense of yours, John". Or words to that effect.

When we say a man has "good southern common sense" it means he knows it is best to follow his southern wife's direction and do what she wants. He doesn't have to BE southern, just married to a southern woman.

"We do appreciate. . ." "Do" is unnecessary. Adding it is as southern as it gets. "We" here is the Royal "we", an affectation of gentility.

". . . do not particularly like you. . . " "Particularly" is unnecessary for a real intruder perp, it reveals a temporary dislike as in "I don't like you right now, don't push me". Southern as can be and passive aggressive.

 

[Gigitmdy]

And actually John is not originally from the south.

 

[icedtea4me]

And actually John is not originally from the south.

John had been in Atlanta since 1969.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bennett_Ramsey

 

[TeaTime]

John had been in Atlanta since 1969.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bennett_Ramsey

You can't become southern by moving south, LOL. You are either born southern or you are something other than southern - a transplant if you will.

 

[Miz Adventure]

“I don’t think she ever worried too much about the JonBenét thing,” Pam said, referring to the rampant speculation that Patsy was to blame for her 6-year-old daughter’s unsolved death.


What?!!

She never worried about it? Her daughter had been horribly murdered in her own home on Christmas night, taken from her own bed where she should have been safe.

Wouldn't most parents feel overwhelming guilt that they had not saved their daughter from this horrible monster?

No mention was made by Pam Paugh that Patsy expressed any desire for her daughter's killer to be found.

"Keep your babies close to you" - wasn't that what Patsy said on TV? Well her baby WAS close to her and look what happened.

 

[icedtea4me]

You can't become southern by moving south, LOL. You are either born southern or you are something other than southern - a transplant if you will.

Oh, I see. So, if someone was born in, let's say, Los Angeles, and a couple of weeks later moved to Atlanta, you'd say that person wasn't southern either.

 

[andreww]

Oh, I see. So, if someone was born in, let's say, Los Angeles, and a couple of weeks later moved to Atlanta, you'd say that person wasn't southern either.

Why are you always so argumentative? If you were raised in the south, you are southern. If you move there for 9 years as an adult, you are not. You can't even concede that moot point?

 

[kanzz]

You can't become southern by moving south, LOL. You are either born southern or you are something other than southern - a transplant if you will.

Exactly! As a co-worker said to me when we moved to NC, "We have a saying here in the South about people who aren't native to the South. You're either a Northerner or a Damned Yankee. A Northerner comes to visit, and a Damned Yankee comes and stays."

 

[icedtea4me]

Why are you always so argumentative? If you were raised in the south, you are southern. If you move there for 9 years as an adult, you are not. You can't even concede that moot point?

Tea Time said "You are either born southern or you are something other than southern - a transplant if you will."

According to her statement, someone who was born in Los Angeles and then moved to Atlanta two weeks later and lived the next several decades in Atlanta wouldn't be counted as being southern simply because that person didn't live there for the first two weeks of his or her life.

 

[HarmonyE.]

So. Boring.