DC DC - Chandra Levy, 24, Washington DC, 1 May 2001 *found deceased in 2002*

[Medea]

So you really believe that when he talked to her on April 29th, the woman he was having an affair with, he didn't remember what they talked about the last time he talked to, when she disappeared on May 1?

You said specifically, "What was done to him in the media was ridiculous."

I pointed out that the media attention was understandable, given the circumstances, and now you say it's the idea that he was involved in her death that's ridiculous.

The idea that leaving messages on someone's answering machine somehow absolves them of all involvement (whether or not Condit was actually involved) is a little ridiculous. Scott Peterson, convicted murderer, did just that, too. It's proof of nothing other than the fact that Condit called her.

You also characterized the DC police (and all civil servants in DC) as notoriously incompetent, so the fact that they didn't officially announce Condit was a suspect is hardly convincing proof of his innocence.

If the purpose of Condit having killed Levy was to keep their affair secret then he would NEVER have left any message on her answering machine, becuase he would know that police would check it, find his message and start questioning him about the level of intimacy in their relationship. Thus, by his own act of leaving messages his affair would be found out.

There is no parallel whatsoever to Scott Peterson who was trying to make people think he was a concerned husband. Unless you can come up with a different motive other than keeping the affair secret, Condit's phone messages are solid evidence that he did not kill her. In THIS case, leaving messages is counter to the alleged motive of keeping the affair a secret. Simple as that.

The DC police did not fail to officially announce that Condit was a suspect, they REPEATEDLY announced that he was NOT a suspect. There is a big difference.

As for the phone call, I'm sure he remembers exactly what was said in his last phone call to Levy and it was probably a heated discussion. But that doesn't mean he killed her, it means he used very poor judgement in lying and trying to keep their relationship a secret.

Plenty of people have affairs and lie about them, very, very few of those people graduate to murder.

As far as a copycat serial killer, this is beyond any belief, if it was a 'copy cat' murder then it wouldn't have taken several years for her body to be found since the purpose of the copy cat killing would be to take heat off the 'real' murderer and so her body would have been found almost immediately, not by a random jogger years later after Condit's career was already ruined. Logically, the idea of a copy cat killing only makes sense if its discovered in time to protect the 'real' killer.

 

[Vegas Bride]

About Condit saying he doesn't remember what they talked about on their last phone conversation. I would imagine if you were having an affair with someone, chances are you wouldn't want to admit what you were talking about. It could have been very sexual or it could have been him complaining to her about his wife or co-workers who could be some very important people in Washington. Take any married man having a conversation with his mistress and I doubt you'd find much they'd want to share. Whatever it was they talked about IMO would have put him in a bad light and he was in self preservation mode so it was easier for him to say he didn't remember.

VB

 

[Texana]

Of course he didn't want to admit what they talked about.

However, he was talking to the police, about a missing girl, and by then it was obvious that she was endangered or dead.

His need for "self preservation" trumped her life.

Only two people know what happened during that phone call,and one of them i s dead.

 

[nanandjim]

Of course he didn't want to admit what they talked about.

However, he was talking to the police, about a missing girl, and by then it was obvious that she was endangered or dead.

His need for "self preservation" trumped her life.

Only two people know what happened during that phone call,and one of them i s dead.

What was telling to me is that he or his goons actually contacted at least one of his old girlfriends and threatened them to keep quiet about their relationship(s). I still suspect Condit was responsible. It's just way too coincidental for me.

 

[fran]

When I saw he didn't remember what they talked about the last time, I just thought that's because he was still leading Chandra on and to him, it didn't have anything to do with her disappearance.

I know from the outside looking in it looks suspicious. But, we have to remember that this was a married man having an AFFAIR. He was a man of high profile. He needed to keep some secrets.

I'm not condoning what he did, just trying to understand it from a sleeze side, ya know?

Up to now I'd always thought he was connected somehow, but I'm not quite so sure. I want to know more about this other guy!

JMHO
fran

 

[Medea]

There is no condoning what he did since he was in a very good position to very early on steer police away from the idea that she ran away or committed suicide to give them information about her mindset which could then have been corroborated by her familiy and friends...that would have left only foul play...they might have done a better job searching Rock Creek Park if they had really believed that she went there that day and then disappeared.

Instead of doing this he tried to save himself from getting involved so he wouldn't be a suspect and in doing so, made himself a suspect in many people's eyes, though not the police..but he paid a very, very high price for it. Too high? That I can't say.

 

[Medea]

Here is your primary incompetance right here:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/arno...b_suspect_in_jogger_attacks_cop_didnt_pursue/

Plus, Condit could always account for his whereabouts during the window of her disappearance.

They followed up all kinds of nut job tips but a guy with a record of acosting women in Rock Creek Park who admitted seeing Levy and finding her attractive, they had no time for that....

 

[Texana]

Absolutely the police were incompetent in every way. Which is why you can't regard their dismissal of Condit as a suspect with any more regard than their dismissal of the park predator, although it was the park police, not Washington DC police, who did that.

Again, I saw the news clips of the police searching the park. The most pathetic "search" I've ever seen. It was done mostly by cadets, they were walking on the trail, there was no real grid search--so there she was, 100 yards away, unseen. It's entirely possible her killer meant for her to be found much sooner than she was.

The only evidence the 19 year old immigrant gave towards being involved with Chandra's disappearance was saying "I saw her, I thought she was attractive" when shown her photo. Not very strong, given that he is mentally disturbed.

As for the phone message left on her answering machine, it's also entirely possible that Condit panicked once he realized she was missing, and left the message to cover himself. He may have realized then that his words "I've got a problem" to someone had resulted in some action.

 

[Medea]

There isn't any evidence that Condit was involved. None. Nothing. Zero.

Sorry, a man who attacked several female joggers in Rock Creek Park who admits to seeing Levy who had done a computer search of Rock Creek Park hiking trails the day she disappeared, who allegedly confessed to killing her in jail and whose apt. manager remembers having cuts and a swolen face around the time Levy disappeared and you want to discount this as flimsey evidence? A man with a history of attacking woman in exactly the spot that she was eventually found which is exactly the spot her computer search would lead you to and he places himself as having seen her???????????????????

Yeah Condit did have a problem..he was having an affair with a woman who disappeared, and it proved to be a problem that ruined his career and his life.

 

[Vegas Bride]

Condit how how many affairs? If something had happened to some of his other women I'd be more suspicious of him but imo he was quite practiced in using these women and then ending the relationship when he was tired of it.

VB

 

[Texana]

Condit how how many affairs? If something had happened to some of his other women I'd be more suspicious of him but imo he was quite practiced in using these women and then ending the relationship when he was tired of it.

VB

None of them were interns, none seemed to expect he'd leave his wife, they were more sophisticated older women than Levy.

She seems to have been fairly naive not just by DC standards but by general standards as well.

As for Condit's career being ruined, losing his career was the consequence of choices and decisions he made.

The only victim here is Chandra Levy.

 

[Medea]

I'd say Gary Condit was a victim of circumstances, some but not all of his own making.

If he had immediately admitted to a sexual affair with Levy, the same people who suspected him and still suspect him would have suspected him just the same....because the only reason to suspect him is that he had an affair with her.

If the DC police had been capable of doing a decent search of Rock Creek Park her body would have been found within days or weeks, possibly yielding forensic evidence.

If the DC police ahd been capable of thinking about getting security tapes of her apartment the time she left her apartment and with whom, if anyone would have been pintpointed, narrowing the window considerably...and the clothes she was wearing would have been visible, further substantiating she was going to the park.

If the Park Police had half a brain in their heads this El Salavadorean with a history of attacking women in the park would have been made front and center.

 

[fran]

Here is your primary incompetance right here:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/arno...b_suspect_in_jogger_attacks_cop_didnt_pursue/

Plus, Condit could always account for his whereabouts during the window of her disappearance.

They followed up all kinds of nut job tips but a guy with a record of acosting women in Rock Creek Park who admitted seeing Levy and finding her attractive, they had no time for that....

What mainly bothers me is he ADMITTED he'd seen her at the park and there's only evidence that she went to that park ONE TIME, the day she disappeared.

Some heads should roll over this, IMHO.

fran

 

[Pepper]

The idea that Gary Condit was in any way responsible for Chandra Levy's death was and is ridiculous, in my opinion.

THe police repeatedly said he was not a suspect, there isn't any scintilla of evidence that he killed her or had her killed, nothing. In fact, having left messages on her answering machine after she disappeared would be a pretty good indication right there that he did not kill her to keep the affair quiet.

He was wrong to lie about the affair, and he was wrong to stonewall about it, but I don't see how he hindered the investigation at all since I don't think he knew anything. Her last computer search was of Rock Creek Park, if the police had found her body in Rock Creek Park within the first few days Gary Condit would probably still be in Congress and there would never have been a national witch hunt to smear him as involved in her murder.

Gary Condit was the only person KNOWN to have a motive for her murder. Stranger abductions and murders are rare. Sure, it's possible that she went for an innocent jog in the park, but I don't think so. She was young and naive, but I don't think she would leave her cell phone and her keys behind in her apartment unless she was told to.

It is a known fact that she was looking at a map of Rock Creek Park right before she disappeared. If she was familiar with the park and had jogged there before, she wouldn't have needed a map. I think she believed she was going to meet someone (Gary?) at Klingle (sp?) Mansion.

I don't remember Chandra being an avid jogger. Since she was getting ready to leave town, and since her suitcase was packed, or nearly so, it doesn't make sense to me that she would pick that exact time to take a last minute jog.

I completely agree that the DC PD were completely inept. Was this because they are complete buffoons, or was it intentional to cover up a crime? That's tough to say.

I don't think we will ever have an answer to this crime. Someone got away with murder, and that's a shame.

 

[Medea]

Gary Condit was the only person KNOWN to have a motive for her murder. Stranger abductions and murders are rare. Sure, it's possible that she went for an innocent jog in the park, but I don't think so. She was young and naive, but I don't think she would leave her cell phone and her keys behind in her apartment unless she was told to.

It is a known fact that she was looking at a map of Rock Creek Park right before she disappeared. If she was familiar with the park and had jogged there before, she wouldn't have needed a map. I think she believed she was going to meet someone (Gary?) at Klingle (sp?) Mansion.

I don't remember Chandra being an avid jogger. Since she was getting ready to leave town, and since her suitcase was packed, or nearly so, it doesn't make sense to me that she would pick that exact time to take a last minute jog.

I completely agree that the DC PD were completely inept. Was this because they are complete buffoons, or was it intentional to cover up a crime? That's tough to say.

I don't think we will ever have an answer to this crime. Someone got away with murder, and that's a shame.

But he doesn't have a motive. Having an affair with someone is not a motive to commit murder. Her friend who she saw a couple of days before she disappeared said she was HAPPY, she expected Condit to marry her in a few years. Nothing there to show she was going to 'go public' or be any trouble to him at all and he has plenty of experience in ditching his mistresses. This is a motive that is invented only because they had an affair. There is no evidence that either party was upset or angry, let alone motive for murder.

Told to? I mean again, find that silly. If this was a preplanned murder then who cares about her cell phone? The murderer will just take it and ditch it.

She was found right where she should have been based on the rock creek park searches and the map she pulled up. Why is it so hard to believe that she went for a walk or a jog and the same nut who attacked 2 or 3 other women in the park attacked her? There is a ton of circumstantial evidence against this guy...prior similar violent behavior, an alleged confession, admitting he saw her...

I just don't get persisting in the belief that there is some major uncovered conspiracy involving Condit or Condit hiring some killer and then the DC police covering it up when a very logical, fact based alternative is staring you in the face: The El Salvadoran killed her, he probably killed the other woman whose body turned up in Rock Creek Park as well.

I don't have a problem determining that the DC police are complete buffoons. Searching 100 yards off the ROAD is beyond idiotic to anyone that has ever set foot in Rock Creek Park, you would never find anyone's body by searching off the road instead of off the paths inside the park.

If you haven't read the Wash Post series, read it. It is very, very detailed and I can't imagine a fair minded person coming away and still thinking Condit was involved in her death.

He's a sleaze and a liar and a womanizer. But, so is Bill Clinton. So is Christie Brinkley's husband, so are a lot of men. Most don't commit murder, let alone some kind of super Bourne Ultimatum type hired killing and political cover up.

We're talking about a no name Congressman from CA, not Dick Cheney.

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't see any evidence that he was involved. People are adding 2+2 and getting 5,000. Having an affair is not a de facto motive for murder. With no evidence Chandra was anything but happy and hopeful, then there is no motive to kill her.

 

[Karole28]

But he doesn't have a motive. Having an affair with someone is not a motive to commit murder. Her friend who she saw a couple of days before she disappeared said she was HAPPY, she expected Condit to marry her in a few years. Nothing there to show she was going to 'go public' or be any trouble to him at all and he has plenty of experience in ditching his mistresses. This is a motive that is invented only because they had an affair. There is no evidence that either party was upset or angry, let alone motive for murder.

There's no evidence that he had no motive! Men kill women over sex vs. power all of the time. Laci Peterson was a victim of that (she stood in the way of both sex and $$, good Lord, almost ALL murders of women are related to sex and money/power.

Told to? I mean again, find that silly. If this was a preplanned murder then who cares about her cell phone? The murderer will just take it and ditch it.

She was found right where she should have been based on the rock creek park searches and the map she pulled up. Why is it so hard to believe that she went for a walk or a jog and the same nut who attacked 2 or 3 other women in the park attacked her? There is a ton of circumstantial evidence against this guy...prior similar violent behavior, an alleged confession, admitting he saw her...

I just don't get persisting in the belief that there is some major uncovered conspiracy involving Condit or Condit hiring some killer and then the DC police covering it up when a very logical, fact based alternative is staring you in the face: The El Salvadoran killed her, he probably killed the other woman whose body turned up in Rock Creek Park as well.

I don't have a problem determining that the DC police are complete buffoons. Searching 100 yards off the ROAD is beyond idiotic to anyone that has ever set foot in Rock Creek Park, you would never find anyone's body by searching off the road instead of off the paths inside the park.

If you haven't read the Wash Post series, read it. It is very, very detailed and I can't imagine a fair minded person coming away and still thinking Condit was involved in her death.

He's a sleaze and a liar and a womanizer. But, so is Bill Clinton. So is Christie Brinkley's husband, so are a lot of men. Most don't commit murder, let alone some kind of super Bourne Ultimatum type hired killing and political cover up.

We're talking about a no name Congressman from CA, not Dick Cheney.

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't see any evidence that he was involved. People are adding 2+2 and getting 5,000. Having an affair is not a de facto motive for murder. With no evidence Chandra was anything but happy and hopeful, then there is no motive to kill her.

You don't know what her mindset was before she was killed, a few days in someone that young's life, is a lifetime. She wrongly believe he'd leave his wife for her, and likely found out differently during their meeting at the park. Your "probably"s have no more merit than ours.
And WTH does Dick Cheney have to do with a murdered girl?

 

[Karole28]

There is a world of difference between lying and murder.

Obviously, there are still many who think he was involved in her death, but I don't, never did, there isn't any evidence AT ALL that supports he killed her or had her killed. Not circumstantial, not testimonial, nothing. People lie for a reason, but to me, his reason for lying is pretty convincing, he didn't want his affair to come out.

There isn't any evidence AT ALL that removes him from suspicion.

He alone had anything to gain from her death.

And, I've said it before, but 9/11 is the best thing that ever happened to that man.

 

[Texana]

I'm not sure why you mentioned Dick Cheney, if you're implying that he's capable of murder but not Gary Condit, I think that's a gratuitous comment.

Having an affair in and of itself has been plenty of cause for murder for a lot of people, sadly, and the end of one's lucrative political career seems obvious as well.

In 2001, it was common talk that the affair with intern Monica Lewinsky had, at best, "derailed" the Clinton presidency. It's naive to think that Condit, as a congressman from a conservative district, didn't regard the disclosure of his affair with a teenage intern as a threat to his re-election.

 

[Medea]

People can believe what they want to believe but the facts remain

1. No evidence of any problems between Condit and Levy.

2. No known motive for her to be murdered.

3. No evidence she went to meet Condit.

4. No evidence he lied about anything other than their sexual relationship.

5. Strong evidence that another man killed her.

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That is the truth, that is what the Washington Post series has uncovered and I am not a believer in "just because there isn't any evidence against you, doesn't mean you didn't do it" If a MOTIVE cannot even be established based on evidence, statements, something other than people's imagination then it more than likely doesn't exist.

People can make up anything they want to...like, oh just because she was happy 2 days previously doesn't mean she was happy the day of her death, the ensuing 48 hours might have been a total turnaround that nobody knows about and that Condit was able to put his murder for hire scheme into place, leaving no trace"

I'm sorry, I feel that people are clinging to what they once believed even though now there is substantial new evidence that shows this theory is simply not valid.

If the grand jury indicts this guy from El Salvador, is that going to become part of the conspiracy as well? Its time to give this up and admit that Gary Condit was not involved in Chandra Levy's murder.

And yes, PS, I think Dick Cheney is absolutely capable of ordering a murder, but it was gratuitous.

 

[Pepper]

Condit had high ambition and was a rising star in politics. If not for this he may have become Senator or higher in the political ring. He was facing re-election, and because he had higher sights in mind, it was more about his political career than it was about his relationship with his wife. Chandra could have ruined him politically, and that meant more to him than anything else.

I lived in his district for many years, and remember him when he was still a green local councilman.

His true character has been revealed after the scandal and after he left office. I doubt he could be elected sanitation manager anymore, but then and before the disappearance, his political star was rising and he was the darling of the central valley.

And yes Karole, 9-11 was his salvation.

Too bad her body wasn't discovered in the first few days, but I still think it is fishy that the DC cops blew off her disappearance and wouldn't even consider the possibility of foul play for a week after her disappearance. Maybe, just maybe they were under pressure from the Hill not to look too closely.

Obviously there is no evidence now and the crime will go unsolved. I just wonder how different it would have been if Condit had been treated like a POI and his phone records checked and his computers checked, and his apartment checked. But by the time any of these things were checked, it was too late to provide any evidence.

If you think there have never been murders committed in the name of power and political ambition, you are naive. They just have many people at their fingertips to "make things happen."

There is nothing now to prove Condit is involved, but there also is nothing to prove he wasn't. I'm just not a big believer in coincidences.

ETA: Yes I am reading the series. Nothing I've read so far changes my mind.